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That just destroyed all of your credibility.

Yeah, bunny hopping and rolling around your enemy while hurling your mighty attacks at the air before you in hopes that your enemy will be foolish enough to put himself in the path of your blade is so much better. I mean, when is Lucas going to have a real saber fight like that in the movies?

Lemme think... No.

I must admit I'm a bit fed up with all the 'poor third world' speech. It's the kind of BS that is so fashionable nowadays. Filthy rich celebrities giving an insignificant part of their personal wealth for the development of the poor countries and acting as though they were saving the world, everyone saying how much the 'parasitic' western culture sucks, how evil we are, and at the same time driving their very own car at 18, and dressing with the best they can afford. That's the kind of hipocrisy that sickens me, not only because because of itself, but because of the fact that's mostly built upon lies. It's not our fault that most of the countries that comprise the so-called 'third world' have ruling classes whose wealth is only matched by their corruption. It's not our fault that the people on some of those countries refuse to develop, be it because they see development as a part of the hated western culture, or because their god forbids them from turning against the same ruling class that bleeds them to death. Granted, many of the wars that ravage some of those countries were our fault to begin with, but it's them who could have stopped the violence but have chosen not to. It's so much easier just to whine and dwell in self-pity than to actually do something about it. And it's even easier when you're actually encouraged to do so by those who you place the blame on. We, the westerners, have had more than our fair share of wars, famines, devastating plagues, economical debacles, and murderous totalitarian regimes. Yet we fought through all of that to create a prosperous society. We bought what we have with blood. Our blood, for the most part. I'm not about to cover my face in shame for what I am. Neither should you.

Restricted Area is the name you're looking for.

What I want is KGB 2.

As a D20 ruleset nazi, I must express my deep contempt for that class. That, and the fact that they completely f*cked up the Guardian are my reasons for irrationally hating the sentinel. Have a nice day.

Yep, the foundation of the Federation seems to be one of the big plots the show's headed for. But the last episode got me wondering if they're going for the first. Anyway, it's getting better and better. I really hope the rumors of it being canceled are just that, rumors.

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Um... Megatraveller? "

Well, that depends on what you consider an 'adventure' game. Since the RPG and Adventure genres are becoming so difficult to tell from one another... "

That's the only part of Troika going down I care about. Oh well... Check again.

KotOR III is old news. It's time to begin thinking about KotOR IV.

I thought Bio had stated they were done with license projects.

Where fanaticism and bigotry meet inter-breeding.

Yeah, Babylon 5 is a great show. I'm hooked to Enterprise, too. Best ST show IMO.

What for?

Yeah, TV ads have those things, too. Are TV ads an art too? LMFAO...

Heh. Yet another baseless retort accompanied by (un)witty banter. Pathetic. You're really lowering your standards. No, in fact that's one of the things I've been saying in the last posts. Perhaps you should actually read? You are discussing the gameplay and that is not what's being discussed here. Gameplay and story presentation are different subjects. Obviously the gameplay in FPSs is different from that in RPGs, but then again, that has nothing to do with the storytelling. Sorry you failed to grasp it, and made your own version of the discussion. Game, set and match. I have posted no opinions so far. Are you so obtuse that can't distinguish between opinion and fact?. And now I'm discussing different things? Well, let's see what the discussion was about in the beginning: There is a glarring difference between the story progression of a first person shooter and the story progression of a roleplaying game. He's trying to compare a genre, that is by DEFAULT, simple and straight forward, with a genre that is largely populated with more complex game elements, from character creation, to interaction, to story progression. Any idiot can make a "point" by grabbing one extreme and comparing it to another. If you're going to handicap your arguement with some asinine comparison, at least keep it remotely similar in game genre. Diablo would have been a better choice than HALO, since at least Diablo, by a small minority, is considered a "RPG". Well, it appears it's YOU who keeps changing the 'subject' of the discussion whenever it suits you. No, you can't, unless it's a stealth oriented FPS. Quit making stuff up, you're not good enough at it. Really, you're making this all too easy.

I'm guessing that if you really need to go to the dictionary to look it up, it's you the stupid here, not me. But let's get on with it.

No. I'm hell bent on disagreeing with every wrong thing you say. But don't get too happy, it's nothing personal. I do it with everyone. For starters I wouldn't pick a game blindly over its 'genre'. That would be pretty dumb. But then again, no amount of examples of past bad story FPSs and excellent story RPGs is going to prove that FPSs have to have a worse/more shallow plot than RPGs, because both elements aren't connected. Aliens Vs Predator 2 had an excellent story, both in pacing and writing. The way the story was made complete by playing the 3 different races was just awesome. There you have your 'pure' FPS example. Game, set and match. So says the guy who claims others to be part of his 'fanclub' just for disagreeing. That was almost funny. A pity you lack the brainpower to make actually fun jokes. Keep trying, though. Sometimes sheer effort can make up for the lack of talent. Did you actually read what I wrote earlier? I said RPGs are about choice AND role playing. The catch here is that, in RPGs you are actually given a choice on HOW to roleplay. Next.

Yeah, such as in Ps:T and KotOR in which you play a predefined character, eh? Again, the only difference between FPS and RPG plots is that in some RPGs you can actually affect the outcome of the story. Nothing more. The same can be applied to your statements about RPGs being equal to story and FPSs being equal to combat. You lose. What about mixed genres? A 'genre' is just a commercial label to appeal certain groups of gamers looking for certain characteristics in a game. Another wasted argument. Next. Proof, please.

No. True RPGs are about choice and guess what: role playing, not story. Not anymore than FPSs, anyway. The story is just the setting upon which the game mechanics are applied, and is not defined by the those or the POV. If so far most FPS games have a simple story is just because their devs didn't put enough emphasis on that aspect of the game. Not because FPSs can't have a deep, complex plot. And I believe that oversimplifying an argument is not a good way to make a point.

By default, perhaps. That doesn't exclude certain instances in which that isn't true. When I agree with you, you lash out at me. When I disagree with you, you lash at me, too. Not that I really care what a sad little troll like you thinks, but I still find your lack of coherence somewhat amusing. Keep going, at the present rate, soon you will reach the point in which each new sentence will contradict the previous one. And, um... what gave you the impression that somebody actually cares about you enough to be your 'fan'? Other than Hades that is. Irrelevant. Gameplay mechanics have nothing to do with how a story is presented. You keep associating both concepts, when they aren't really connected. VtM - BL is a FPS with RPG mechanics, and the story is presented in a masterful way. Others have given you other examples. So far you are unable to prove that FPS = simple plot. You just can't prove it because it isn't necessarily true. No amount of examples is enough to establish a rule. Bottom line is, you are just too immature to accept that you are wrong. Despite overwhelming proof or flawless reasoning, you will just keep charging ahead, repeating the same lines over and over. Grow up.