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This reminds me of general chat in most MMORPG's.

Do you think this is a corporate plant?

The NWN group I played with had quite a few people playing evil characters, although they tended to start out rather neutral and embrace their darker side as they got more powerful. We had Temple of Cyric and Bane hidden throughout the different servers. They were able to knock off a few pretty powerful PC's too, and it as all in good role playing fashion.

TA refers to Total Anhilition, which quite a few people classify as the most solid RTS ever made. The guy who made it also made Dungeon Siege. I believe there is a sequel coming out, but it will be hard to reach the mark he hit the first time. I'm surprised someone put the new Pirates game on here. The game is supposed to be short, as in you could finish a entire game in an hour or 2. But I enjoyed that. I didn't play it for 50 hours, but I played through a couple careers and had great fun. The only thing that saved Diablo 2 for me were the cut scenes. Otherwise it had the gameplay enjoyment of a dead fish. The worst cut scenes I've ever seen are Mark Hamill talking to a lame looking Kilrathi in Wing Commander III. There was ahilariously bad game on the Sega CD where you were trying to save sorority girls. Night Stalker? It was all live action video.

I really want to see The Constant Gardener. The director also did City of God, which was extremely powerful. It really humanized the poverty and troubles of a 3rd world city.

Actually, now that I look at the topic, I only played the Lionheart demo so it doesn't count. And it doesn't say RPG, so I think I'll go with Cutthroats: Terror on the High Seas. I really wanted it to be good.

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I'm still a bit shocked that lordodark made a decent topic...and that Llyranor and Nick_I_am are clearly the same person...shocker ! I'm going to have to vote for Lionheart.

I think Francis is probably the most under-rated player of our generation. Many might say that he was just lucky to play with Lemieux for so many years, but what he did in Carolina showed that he was truly a great player. He did for the Hurricanes what Gretzky did for the Kings.

I wish we could vote off people...of course then I'd probably be voted off. Craziness. Seriously though, people who don't try and spell correctly drive me crazy. Get a frickin' vocabulary.

Hehe, I think there's a limit on how young of a baby you can use for TV. Younger than a month is seriously young. I'm surprised they went through with the Baptism. I agree it was kinda a rough episode, but it set the stage for a few things. It looks like we'll have a bit of action next week.

I just read this on Penny Arcade...it seems pretty sad. I'm starting to wonder about a few posters though. Personally, if I was a corporate plant, I'd expect at least $30k a year for reading all the lame crud on forums.

I like the fact that BG says you are a chosen one...but then shows a video of another chosen one getting tossed off a building by Sarevok. Fallout was good too...it was definitely more of an outcast role than a chose one role.

Don't forget that there was a rather long gap between Warcraft II and III, and a pretty long gap between Diablo I and II. Blizzard takes their time on these games. Also, the original Starcraft is still being played heavily, so they probably don't want to kill that yet.

I agree with Setzer. It seems like a very solid project, reminiscent of HoMM II. If they put in an opera soundtrack, it will be heavenly. I expect the bugs to be ironed out eventually, I never judge a game based on that. The only real mystery will be the storyline. It worries me a bit, because the map descriptions are clearly written in broken English. My big question is if they hired a decent writer to tackle the campaign game.

It's great to see that the regulars here got involved in the chat, and great questions everyone!

That does sound pretty interesting. I remember hearing very positive stuff about Farcry, but I stay away from most FPS games (and save points seemed lame to me.) It's exciting to know they are going to a more freedom based design. It sounds like a GTA style setup with regards to the story progression. Why do the cut scenes get axed though? I like cut scenes.

I can't believe you closed a thread that had been around for 18 months...I'm pretty sure it was the oldest on the boards. Anyways...I must ignore all other posts until I watch...

I wasn't really trying to say that sports games should be more like RPG's, I'm saying they already are. They already have quite a few elements in place, and both EA and Midway are slowly adding in more role playing aspects. Midway has a whole storyline thing going on, although they didn't pull it off well. EA puts you in the shoes of one player and you progress his career. Also, I think I have a better chance of killing a rat with a sword than I do of running a touchdown in the NFL. It's not all that realistic.

It sounds like you are saying that scoring points is not really the only way to measure greatness. I agree. Jagre has a ton of points, but he's probably only in the top 100 in terms of greatness. If he suddenly comes alive in the playoffs and takes his team to consecutive Stanley Cups, then he will be great. It's too early to tell what any of these rookies will do. But they are extremely talented and will be fun to watch for many years. They need to win some titles and overcome some horrible odds to reach that level of greatness. The talent is there to do that though.

I believe people simply don't want to call them RPGs. Some so-called "RPGs" have less depth, story and actual roleplaying then some of these new wave sports games. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> And offer many more hours of gameplay. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I've logged quite a few more hours into a franchise football team than many RPG's. That's just a matter of interest level, but a full season will take you at least 20 hours to finish if you don't sim through games, and you can play up to 30 seasons.

I've heard a lot more complaints about the OC than actual praise. But I don't agree it's like BF1942, because that game had the multiplayer maps ready to go right from the get-go. NWN took time to really develop the mod community, but many strong single player campaigns came out of it. Hades, you tell me to start another topic, yet you are the one who brought up the single player community. You say they got shafted because the OC was lackluster, but I disagree, because a huge community of modders came out with single player mods. I know, because I prefer single player games tremendously. I was unhappy with NWN at first, but when I returned to it a few months later, it was a different product. I realize many people bought it and never touched it after the OC, but that doesn't mean there aren't good single player experiences out there for NWN.

I agree, and I liked the fact that there were a few surprises in it. I had low expectations because the reviews trashed it, but it was better than I thought it would be.

I saw some talk about how sports games don't fit the RPG mold, but I beg to differ. Sports games have been slowly adding RPG elements for years. You have a ton of stats that represent ability, you develop careers, and you seek out new people for your team. EA has even added a function that alloows you to create one player and focus on their career from college all the way to the pros. You change your image, do TV and Movie spots, and try to recieve rewards. You are filling the role of a football player. An argument may be made that, when playing an actual game, you control the whole team. But in Baldurs Gate I controlled an entire party during combat, even though I technically only RP as the main character. So why can't it be called an RPG? Is it not fantasy enough? Is it lacking story? I've had more interesting stories during a season of football than some of the action RPG's out there. So what do y'all think? These games do seem to be moving closer to RPG's, although the recent Playmakers game didn't fare too well. I look forward to more character development for my football squad.

It's good if its true <{POST_SNAPBACK}> It amazes me that people still don't understand they are just publishing it... Anyways, quite a few sports titles have serious RPG components. You have stats for every player, they go up with experience. The new Madden and NCAA games allow you to create a player and lead his career through college and pro levels. You can actually change your appearance, do TV and movie spots...there really are a ton of options. You can also create your own stories through the franchise mode. The fact is, I know some action RPG's which deserve the title even less than some sports titles.