Fionavar

Well before this quickly crosses form questionable to out-right inappropriate for all TV viewing members ... well you get the meaning

I'm sure I do not need say this, but let's walk this thread with respect and civility.

Please feel free to add to the ongoing discussion in regard to a potential KotoR 3 here: http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?showtopic=34070

Please feel free to add thoughts, suggestions and ideas to the ongoing discussion in regard to a potential KotoR 3: http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?showtopic=34070

I have spoken with Forna K. Shan. The tread in question has been returned to the fora locked in case anyone else wants to access the material that was quite interesting and useful.

Well thanks for the feedback, seems we have arrived at derailment, so we'll just pack this off to the AotS.

Please feel free to contribute to the ongoing discussion in this regard: http://forums.obsidianent.com/index.php?showtopic=33590

Seems the GM feels that WoT has sort of slid into the relaxed zone a wee bit too much, so ... we're all going to try not playing too often in the sandbox, right? Please? Both questions are rhetorical - thanks for your time and when in doubt, remember the note above: And, finally, when in doubt, doubt

I'd install it and then just reintall the JohnP pack - should be ok - are you starting a new game?

Load time is a little slower - but game play is the same. The MicroPax updates the following: http://members.aol.com/deepgalaxie/downloads.htm Just more eye candy - but hey it makes it more immersive imo

Well until the nerds arrive for viewing, we'll just pack this one off to keep the sentimental value free from being tainted by SPAM

Well - it seems that the nerds have overrun this thread - any chance of getting back on-topic - or is this a lost cause?

Well that was a fun thread. We'll just ship this one off to the sandbox, before the magic line gets crossed and I actually have to do something ...

Well when he's right ... he's right :D

Well the Texture Packs make a HUGE difference I have found. I installed them in the following order on a clean install: Community Pack, MicroTexPack, JohnP's ... game looks awesome now fwiiw

Well kids ... it seems that .. well ... umm we've definitely derailed this one!

Thread Pruned: Obsidian in no way endorses or encourages piracy in ANY form. I will warn members to not post in this regard, lest their posting privileges be moderated or revoked altogether. Respectfully, Fionavar

Well we seemed to have arrived at the point of sending this one off to the AotS ...

Well seems we have derailment ... nothing to see here move along ... FLoSD.ObE

See previous threads: 1 2 3 Please feel free to contribute to the ongoing discussion. There is a lot of interest in this topic and keeping input centralised and presented in a clear and articulate manner will have more impact and influence than posting to the contrary

As we have moved more into a general chat - I'll close this thread down and start Part 4

Has anyone used both at the same time with a clean install with the 1.2 patch? Any problems? Impressions? Thoughts? Feedback appreciated

I really cannot address the other concerns, but I can in fact state assuredly that your valid criticism is in fact not indicative of the entire Christian tradition, as it exists internationally. There are in fact many denominations - and even those that are currently struggling at this stage have active Brothers and Sisters working for this change - that are both inclusive and open to all people regardless of gender, race or sexual orientation. Furthermore, there are denominations that have leadership roles at the highest level that have been held by women, as well as non-Caucasians Though I can sympathise with your frustration, rest assured that there are in fact places and denominations where people strive within our limited capacities to be more inclusive in order to attempt to make manifest the covenant of community.

Though the media is keen to polarise perceptions about 'who' and 'what' a Christian is, the fact is that there is a large range of theologies denominationally that indicate that there is really no 'normal' or 'standard' point of view. The Radical Theology with which I feel comfort is neither dominant nor fringe, it has a voice within the Church as an extension of the Body of Christ. It is easy to engage in polemic against Christianity by citing verse literally to challenge those who claim literalism as an authority for their more fundamental theology - sort of ironic. For me, I find that there is so much history and depth to Christianity that it requires an intentionality that takes a lifetime to begin to find comfort with it as an expression of one's spirituality, as opposed to dogma. Part of any difficulty that revolves around a discussion of Religion is the use of language. The set of assumptions and biases that are never checked can end up juxtaposing people before they even attempt dialogue. Your use of faith - for instance - is what I would call belief. Faith is not an articulate set of precepts - rather it is, for me, what one knows through discernment. Beliefs are linguistic attempts to intellectually describe faith. The problem is that once written, there is a tendency to concentrate upon the word and not the fact that it is the expression of one person at one moment who would likely describe it otherwise the next time. Though this may seem semantic, perhaps even pedantic, it is important to normalise such discussion in order to attempt to establish a shared vocabulary. In such a pluralist society, there is a tendency for two people to debate a point, using the very same words, when they are fact in possession of very different meanings. Though I am not a Roman Catholic, I would say that the RC tradition has in fact a great respect for women. I would contend, though I may disagree with my Brothers and Sisters of the RC denomination with various areas of interpretation and theology, that there is indeed a sanctity with which the RC tradition holds and honours women. Blanket statements about anyone's tradition can be difficult to defend on a personal basis. I am not an apologist for the treatment of women within the RC tradition, but nor am I comfortable using a generalisation to identify a truth.

I would like to add a further reflection to this ongoing discussion. For some, the Bible is not so much an authority owing to it being the word of God, as much as it is an attempt of a people within in a continuum of faith to articulate that which they hear and feel God emote. As a result, the act of freeing God from our hubris is always stunted, to a certain extent, by the cultural norms with which language limits expression. Though I can appreciate the desire to 'prove' or disprove' that which one does not feel represents the Divine for them, I think it is also important to realise that Belief is, ultimately, an imperfect attempt to articulate with the imperfection of language, one's Faith. And I feel Faith is that which one knows intimately as true, but defies articulation. Ultimately the word itself is idolatrous if we fail to recognise it as a moment in time to express that which is intangible.