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The idea of sexuality in regard to the OT/NT is based on a couple of assumptions that have since been challenged - convincingly I would argue - that include, but are not limited to, several insights of Reason as a mode of Biblical Authority - from a Protestant point of view to a certain extent. First is that sexuality from a Biblical perspective was founded on the male as normative - patriarchy. Furthermore, the Roman/Hebrew prohibition is in regard to agency in relationship to sexuality: Passive/Active. The Passive agent - both male (in a same-sex relationship) and female were considered sub-standard - but the female was normative as a bi-product of ownership and reproduction. Finally Reason now indicates rather strongly - I would contend convincingly - that sexuality is not normative male-female. There are enough mammalian examples of homosexuality, as well as genetic/psychological indicators, to indicate that sexuality is in fact multi-faceted and determined by such factors as genetics, biology and environment (again not exhaustive). I would challenge a literal interpretation of male-female sexuality as normative from a Biblical perspective with such evidence, but again this is not exhaustive, and does not begin to wrestle with the Intent as opposed to the Isolated textual criticism in this regard.

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I remember during Grad school while I was struggling with Vergil and the Pastorals and then one day ... I just got it. For the first time the Roman appreciation and ideal of the pastoral life was not academic, I could taste it. The scenes in Gladiator during the imagining of Maximus about his home in Spain (i.e. his Elysium) convey somewhat the Roman mystique of the pastoral life ... the same can be said of the Greek. I remember getting Herodotus for the first time - not as a boring history, but as a vibrant expression of the wonders of the world. I will not bore anyone further about how the NT and OT come alive in the original, needless to say there is indeed a wonder of seeing through the lens of language a people's dreams, mistakes, fears and hopes.

As a translation, the Bible can often seem difficult to appreciate as a literary expression of a faith community's journey. In the Greek and Hebrew, however, the Hebrew Scriptures and the Koine of the New Testament are a vibrant expression of creativity and art. It is always important to realise that every translation - from the academic to the 'vulgate' (if you will) - is a set of compromises that will never fully impart the depth of rhythm and meter, the intense use of rhetoric and the overwhelming efficiency of language that passionately describes the struggles of trying to vision and myth-make who and what God is in history for the Judeo-Christian experience. It is a dangerous precedent to make conclusions as to the literary merit when what one has - albeit an intentional attempt to transmit the original - is merely a shadow of that which is only accessible in the original language. Furthermore, the nuances in the Greek, Aramaic and Hebrew is often glossed over when people are tempted to misrepresent Scripture out of context from not only the socio-historic realities, but the characteristics by which language transmits myth and truth.

Like only the Big Green on da Roost could ...

Though I am most appreciative and sensitive to various theological perpesctives and interpretations, could we try not to insult other members? So far this thread has remained civil, and I would like it to remain that way, lest I actually have to do something!

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Well and with that salutation in mind, we'll pack up the b-day thread until the next year. I'm sure his Lordship has enjoyed all of our banter and wishes

Subtle nudge - let's not ... OK FLoSD.ObE

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Nope nothing to do with Laozi's ability to respond, merely the Dread Pirate Roberts keeping all safe from SPAM ...

Well don't worry about protocol, seems language filter and SPAM are more of an issue at this point ...

Warning Derailment has occurred ... closure in 3 ... 2 ... 1 .... FLoSD.OBE

Well I thank everyone for their interest in the topic and the fact that it has generally remained respectful and constructive. As we have arrived outside of the intent of the thread and the forum in general, rather than invite the Mites of the Sandbox to undo all that has been shared, we'll retire this to the AotS.

I'm sure this is not required, but let's post in this thread with respect and maturity.

Well that was fun ... it's amazing how quickly the sandbox dirties up the various fora ... FLoSD.OBE

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@ Baley - thanks :D I am keen on the pretty boxed set with less muss and fuss @LadyCrimson - A lot of those concerns - from what I have read - do in fact seem to have been addressed since the 1.7 patch onward fwiiw.

I'm getting mixed messages here ... well not that that is surprising, but ... so Darque why is it you like it? Are you playing with the Plus addition? Has anyone played with the original AND the Plus - differences? Better - worse?

Really - it's just H&S? I thought from some of the reviews that they had tried to tighten that up with the addition of the Plus material?

Well hopefully this thread will not end up derailed as was the original one Has anyone played Sacred since Plus? What about Underworld? Thoughts, impressions, critiques? Finally, has anyone in North America seen/bought Plus & Underworld? I'm in need of an RPG and I am now into the fan mods of NWN and need something new

Actually I suggest NO ONE resort to name calling or flaming, or the Big Green will have to do something ... and I prefer just sitting on the Roost fyi FLoSD.OBE

Well let's hope that you get in touch. Rather than invite the highly unlikely though potentially possible occurence of SPAM, we'll assign this to the Annals of the Sandbox ... FLoSD.OBE