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I don't understand why you should blame the Libyans for celebrating the return of Megrahi. I mean, they actually believe he is innocent. You can of course discuss whether he really is innocent, but would not Americans celebrate the return of Capt. Will Rogers III from a hypothetical prison tenure in Iran if they believed he was innocent?

Since you displayed such eagerness at doing so, I did look up the definition of justice in an actual dictionary. And I found (which I wrote) that defintion #1 by Webster's Online Dictionary corresponds, when applied to the field of punishment of crime, exactly with what I wrote myself (in my opinion. Please give your own). And leads me to: Since you clearly are someone from a very civilized country, oh supreme master of the noble art of reading comprehension, who does not make up your terminology at the fly, could you please answer my question and pick which definition of justice you meant from the excerpt from Webster's Online Dictionary that I offered, alternatively link to a dictionary of your own choice? Oh yes, I read those parts, very carefully even. I also thought you also said rehabilitation is only a liberal fantasy. Have you changed your mind on that matter? And then I wrote I did not think what you wrote is true, and responded with a question. Why do you keep reiterating this over and over? Basically, this is where we are right now: Rostere: YOU PUNISH PEOPLE BECAUSE OF SEVERAL PRAGMATIC REASONS taks: NO, THOSE ARE ALL SILLY BARBARIC DRACONIAN LIBERAL FANTASIES. YOU PUNISH PEOPLE SOLELY BECAUSE OF JUSTICE Rostere: WHAT KIND OF JUSTICE taks: LOOK UP THE DEFINITION OF JUSTICE! THE KIND OF JUSTICE YOU'LL FIND IN A DICTIONARY Rostere: GIEF LINK TO DEFINITION PLZ You have previously stated (although not proven that you do not "make the definition up on the fly") that justice is repaying an arbitrary debt to society. I asked, in my previous post, which one of the dictionary definitions correspond with your one. Apparently, you are also opposed to both the death penalty and the prison system. Keeping people in prison or killing them costs money (and actually an awful lot, in most civilized countries), so that's hardly repaying a debt. Since apparently (according to you), when someone breaks the law it is nigh impossible to keep them from doing it again using punishment... Are you suggesting we should abolish prisons and instead create labor camps? Would your ideal state have labor camps and paying fines as the only forms of punishment? How would you force the prison inmates into generating 25 billion dollars (an approximation of the running costs or all US prisons) of profit a year? And what if the state you are living in ordered death penalty for every crime by public vote? Surely, you must understand that justice, the reason for punishing people, must be based on several ethic principles, and not what someone happened to write down in a book of law. That way of thinking reminds me of the mindset of the fervently religious. Oh, and furthermore, you did not answer to my response to your explicit statement that only execution or lifelong incarceration can prevent someone who broke the law from doing it again (sic). Do you (and if you do, then perhaps more importantly, WHY) support other kinds of punishment, even though you hold against them that they are 100% ineffective when it comes to preventing someone from breaking the law again?

When I made my statement regarding justice, I thought to deconstruct the idea of punishing someone into it's most fundamental components. I define "punishment" as the active coercion of an individual (or entity, for example a corporation) by the state. But, let me take a second look at that if we're to discuss this more in- depth. I stated that: is the purpose of punishment. taks replied to this first with: indicating that there exists a fourth reason to punish people, justice, while I maintain that justice is, in practice, defined by my three reasons for punishing someone. Furthermore, you state that: I must therefore conclude our argument with a question. From Webster's Online Dictionary: When I wrote justice, meant 1. If you're talking about the same definition, then it means you wrote that "being just or fair" has nothing to do with rehabilitation of criminals, making sure crime does not pay or preventing someone from committing further crime. Do you really believe that making sure crime does not pay is not a just cause? That would be quite absurd, so I must assume you mean definition 2, 3 or 4. So, according to you, the fourth (and as you write later, the ONLY) reason we punish criminals is: a. Because of the act of determining rights and assigning rewards or punishments (which whould be kind of strange: "The sole reason for punishing someone is because of the act of punishing someone") b. Because of a public official authorized to decide questions bought before a court of justice c. Because of the federal government Alternatively, you can of course quote a different encyclopedia. Since I am not a native speaker (with no significant schooling in English), it would perhaps be too much to ask from me to participate in discussions about definitions of English words. Words of truth! To draw an analogy, all punishments are chosen for society at large to become a better place to live in, not only because of the feelings of the victims. That is why I think it is vain and illogical in respect to justice that the relatives of the Lockerbie victims should have more to say about the punishment of the alleged terrorist than anyone else. They must obviously be biased. I hope you do not also promote eugenics and eat little kittens. Let's calm down and think a little, I'm sure you don't actually mean what you're writing. Basically, you're saying that you should either execute or incarcerate all criminals for life (which I must assume is not, according to you, a viable alternative), or not do anything at all (since my idea of preventing crime is only nonsense). Still you maintain justice as a "legal and legitimate" reason for punishing someone. So, you defend a system of punishment for crime which you yourself think has no impact at all on deterring criminals from crime. Or are you saying we should do away with all punishment whatsoever? Accusations of murder and armed robbery are both tried in the same (type of) courts. I feel strongly that is not outright silly that those crimes are treated the same in that way, which is why I responded to your original statement that: following that line of thought. If you instead meant that terrorism should be punished differently, I'd say that punishment with regards to points 1 and 3 must differ between every unique crime (as they are classified by the legal system), not just terrorism/everything else.

Justice is defined by the previous three points. I think my post discussed both these situations, and I came to the conclusion that even if they didn't strike a deal with the Libyans it would be in their best interest to let him go. Justice works the same regardless of what category the crime falls in, anything else would be deeply hypocritical. I agree that to prevent terrorist attacks, you must act differently than when you work to prevent the other types of crime you mentioned. (Eventual) forgiveness is part of justice, and not in any way at all separated from or contradictory to it. That was out of stupidity, and not a planned attack. He should not be jailed, but instead pay a compensation. Since the US govt. paid the relatives of the victims, i don't have any complaints here. Well, different people value life differently, and some people are not as wealthy as others. As long as we don't have a fully functional international court that can put a price tag on life we can't tell what's fair and what's not in this case.

Team Fortress 2.

Yesterday I woke up on a seminar on linear algebra all wound up in tape, with no memory at all of what I did the previous night. That was both scary and unexplainable.

A lot of people in this forum have very na

I just realized that journalist chick wears an Iron Maiden T-shirt. I love this game already

I will pay (converted into dollars) 56 $ for Alpha Protocol. That would be rather cheap here in Sweden

Israel has to be one of the stupidest ideas to ever be realized in modern history. For some inexplicable reason people in the US are often biased very much in favor of Israel. I'd be very interested to hear what they believe they understand that the rest of the world fails to see, and why it is that only Americans deny that Israel is an absurd joke. Oh, I'm sorry I forgot, I hear Belarus and Russia also have very friendly relations with Israel. At least there is an explanation to that (the large amount of immigration of Russian and Belarussian Jews to Israel, in part financed by christian sects (See? I told you this whole business was absurd)) Oh, and don't even get me started on the Islamic extremists living in Israel. Israel is THE prime example of how organized religion, prejudices and everything that it's a modern man's duty to stand up against ****s peoples minds up, regardless of which side you're on.

I wish! At least then we could have the "Bard" class.

If sideburns are not in the game, I will be royally pissed off.

Regardless of the atrocities inflicted on North Korean citizens by South Korean and American forces during the Korean War, I do not think that North Korea should be excused for it's authoritarian policies. A country which so frequently has problems with famine can obviously not be considered other than a failed state although in part, this may be due to their bad relations with the outside world and restrictive trade policies (Yugoslavia someone?).

A few days ago, I started my introductory weeks at KTH (Royal Institute of Technology) in Stockholm and one particular seminar about fluid mechanics derailed quickly and ended with the professor showing us his favourite recipe for "Pasta arrabiata". So, here goes: Pasta Arrabiata (4 servings) 3 peeled and thinly sliced cloves of garlic 2 Piri- piri chilis, separated into small crumbs 0,5 dl olive oil 1 onion, chopped into tiny pieces Put all of these ingredients in a frying pan on low heat until they have caught some color and become softer. Add 0,5 dl white wine and increase heat slightly. Additionally add and boil under a lid for about 10 minutes: 1 can of chopped tomatoes About half of a tube of tomato pur

<3 Paradox <3

Or could a Dev just tell us her name so that we know who we're talking about?

I'm going to buy AP on release anyway, and I have lots of other stuff other than playing computer games my conscience tells me I should do. So, I'd rather want them to delay it, if we get a better game

Neat, there's a lot of stoner in your list I like to listen to bands like Razor, Exodus and Exhorder when I go to the gym.

So, you've got the game, but have you got the shirt? EDIT: The contents of the NWN 2 CE CE:

Oh, but then he must have been finnish.

Dude, I've thought alot about that as well... At least I think it should be released together with armour for your stallion as DLC!

Then maybe it's only me . Obviously not gameplay. But if you're very used to DotA, I guess that must ruin some of the game's atmosphere.

It doesn't look all that special. Borderlands should win any art style awards from what I've seen. I thought so as well, until I downloaded the demo. The day after I went and bought the full game. But I'm not only talking about the art design, it's the whole idea of the setting. I'd say Borderlands looks just like generic shooter #943424, but I only briefly went through two Youtube videos. If you've got any links to more inspiring Borderlands art content, please share them. See my Borderlands thread. I played the Demigod demo as well, I didn't see any story, it's pretty much a dedicated DotA. The game does not contain any story (as far as I know, I haven't played the "Single player" mode yet), I'm talking about the fluff. And yes, the gameplay is DotA but that's not what we're talking about.

It doesn't look all that special. Borderlands should win any art style awards from what I've seen. I thought so as well, until I downloaded the demo. The day after I went and bought the full game. But I'm not only talking about the art design, it's the whole idea of the setting. I'd say Borderlands looks just like generic shooter #943424, but I only briefly went through two Youtube videos. If you've got any links to more inspiring Borderlands art content, please share them.

I'm currently playing Demigod. All characters remind me a lot of characters in Torment. I'd say Demigod is, aesthetically, the game of the year. That does not mean "most advanced graphics", but "best art direction", "best setting", "best fluff", et.c. Ok, Zeno Clash might be contender for the number one spot. But anyway.