Elric Galad

I thought PR modals didn't stack. I thought overpen was multiplicative.

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It would be interesting to check how weapon modal malus stack with various other stuff in general.

Here we go : https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/103595-mechanics-priestpaladin-disposition-aka-does-obsidian-even-understand-their-own-math/

Wahai Poraga should provide similar results.

It works with each class, but I don't think it has specific synergies with Rogue (except its glasscannonish nature).

I don't think the PL bonus (+3 PL if you don't want to waste phrases) worth it compared to the 12s vs 18s that a troubadour provides for Killer Froze. If you want to play a versatile chanter, go troubadour (Skalds have a few option too, but only for melee). ​Bellower and condemned to such niche in my opinion.

Many characters would have trouble to deal relevant damages to the endgames bosses. Reaping knives solve any PR problems of one character while making weapon damages by cipher unecessary. It seems that there are tons of builds to deal with packs of mobs, but significantly less to deal with these endgames megabosses.

Mmm, do they stack ? If they do, it's indeed good for barbaric retaliation. If they don't, it's not good for this build but it's very good in general. It makes half-sword basically free for frenzied barbarian (except bersekers who don't care).

Do reaping knives worth it for single class cipher ? It sounds like a proxy martial multiclass.

When you're not attacked (much) and underpenetrating it's not bad. It's a modal. It is meant to be an option situationally interesting, which it is. Plus it is nice for Undying Titan build (see below) or Tier IX Barbarian Retaliation. https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/103525-single-class-fighter-build-the-undying-titan/

Mmm the same thing as for SC chanter : not being a troubadour. Do yourself a favor and console-change his subclass.

Due to the small radius and the relative greater power-level advantage offensive invoc's get, I pretty much imagine bellower as a tanky frontliner. That might just be my perception (+20) though. You don't need to be close to spam eld nary, which is probably the best thing a bellower can do.

Bellower with sure handed chant might be nice though, as you only need him/her close to your backrow. But yeah, troubadour is the safest pick.

Bellower is best for alpha eld nary cast (and various alpha cast + beta cast with sasha's scimitar). Beckoner is best for niche builds which rely on skeleton spamming. Skald is best for martial multiclass spamming low level offensive invocations and okay for mid-level ones. Vanilla chanter is useless. Troubadour is best for everything else.

Please check the [mechanics] Attack Speed thread on this very section of the forum. In short, yes it has diminushing return but as action speed tend to be more rare than damage ones (especially with weapons), it tends to be less critical than for might.

Because you sleep 5h a night ^^ ?

It is planned that I would take parental leave to take care of our little one on my own for a couple of months, but I have also promised not to play during the day during this time... ^^

With 2 weapons the cost is entirely refunded (unless it was changed). With max resources you can spam it over and over again for huge damage. Is it still true ? I heard that it was changed at the same time as other refund which triggered 2 times with dual wield (stunning blow I think). What happen with gambit with AoE by the way ? PS : sorry for being unable to test it myself. I have promised to my wife not to touch actual gaming for a couple of months because of our newborn daughter ^^

This soulbound dagger Marux Amanth which gives ressources back with a sacrifice (can be soulbounded by a rogue !!!). The Paladin +2 zeal on downed ally is strong enough to justify single class paladin IMHO. Stunning blow upgrade refund mortification on crit. Chanter +1 all ressources Tier IX invocation. Gambit is half refunded on crit (which isn't that great). Fighter's toughened fury refund 1 discipline on being crit (10% crits). One sworn ennemy upgrade refunds itself when target is killed.

So what would be the top 10 chants to select for this party ^^ ?

Oh... Never trust the wiki... Or the description for the matter ^^ However, 4 per tick that you can stack... With ~30Int the chant would last ~12s. 12s means 5 ticks of 4 (due to 0s tick) means 20. So it's 20AoE damages triggered every 6s (not counting Mig, and AR...). I don't say it's enough to carry a build by itself, but it should add up with anything the chanter does in the meantime. I think it looks like a balanced chant (which is indeed a pale shadow of its former glory).

The damages don't look that bad. 8 per 3s tick is okay, given you can have several active at the same time. Maybe it is underrated simply because it was so incredibly good in PoE1 and is much weaker now. Many OP tools from PoE1 have been nerfed (sacred immolation, carnage, twinned arrows), thus I am not sure that Dragon Trashed is comparatively that bad. Besides, in PoE1, it was often close to 90% of what a chanter did. Now a chanter can perform much more (especially if multiclassed) so Dragon Trashed don't have to be that good to be enough.

They have lower hit points, so... Beckoner is nice with the skeletons phrase because the +1 phrase malus does not apply. It has some applications for niche build such as grave caller or to power the +2 zeal on downed ally from single class paladin (or both).

Still no fix for wounding shot not doing 20% weapon damages per tick ? ​What has been fixed for beguiler exactly ?