Jediphile

Now why does that sound strangely familiar... :"> :D

Looking specifically at exploring, do we want FO3 to be a vast, open expanse, that the player must search through? That would be rather different from the fairly small and "representative" areas or "screens" that we know from the predecessors. Not that I mind. It sounds good to me, but it would be a change. It would mean there's a lot of free-roaming through areas that are likely to be devoid of anything but desert. Somehow I like that, but could mean an awful lot of empty territory. How do people feel about that?

not <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Of course it's true silly. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I randomly agree with one of you. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Me too :D

And? I'm not sure why that adds any sort of entertaining value to the film even assuming you know all the references. Reminds of the people who defended the Matrix sequels by pointing out to all the religious references, like that somehow made the abysmal production of those films any more tollerable. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> While I can't speak for anyone else, that is certainly not why I liked Matrix Reloaded better than the original. In truth, I would agree that all the religious references is one of the things that detract from Revolutions. No, what I liked Reloaded was that it made the whole Matrix reality so much more complex than it had been before. At the end of the film, I was really wondering what was going on - there were just such endless possibilities that it truly opened up entirely new worlds within the franchise to me. Unfortunately Revolutions decided to spend more time trying to overlook the consequences than exploring them. Sad... But it didn't actually dismiss the possibilities of what might be going on. Not in the slightest, and you can argue that it did just the opposite. I mean, the question of whether Neo is something created by the machines to control a dissenting factor of humanity is never touched upon again in Revolutions. Reloaded, on the other hand, was a boatload of vague clues and weird suggetions that inferred some hidden truths. Well, I liked the Kill Bill movies. There is something very likeable about movies that are completely upfront about what they want to do. Kill Bill makes no pretenses about being anything more than it is. You'd think two movies about a woman wanting revenge would be incredibly long-winded and boring, but Tarantino has lost none of his ability as a storyteller, and that makes it all worthwhile, at least to me. Not a masterpiece, though. His masterpiece would be Pulp Fiction, I think... Never thought about it before, but it's probably also true that Kill Bill appeals mostly to movie buffs and people who like violence. That would also explain why many agree that the first movie was great, but disagree sharply on the second - the first group likes both movies, while the second group likes only the first. Good interpretation for me, though, since I liked both :D

I know, but how important is really whether she had the child before or after? I mean, the way Bastila describes in K1, the tradition of cutting the connections to the family has mostly something to do with the emotions between family being so strong that it becomes very difficult for a jedi to see past them. Yet they trained Nomi anyway. Consider if Nomi had fought HK-47. HK tells the Exile to attack the jedi's friends, so HK attacks Vima instead of Nomi. How would Nomi react to that? Would she be susceptible to fall the dark side as a consequence? I think she would - the mother-child relationship is about as strong a bond as I can imagine and seems to be virtually impossible for a mother to see beyond. Whether it is Nomi's "fault" or not is just a secondary consideration next to that, yet the masters still didn't hesitate to train Nomi... <{POST_SNAPBACK}> You lost me somewhere in there. Reword please, I didn't understand. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Okay, I'll give it a shot... In K2 you can get HK-47 to give you advice on how to kill jedi, if you build high influence with him. It basically comes down to never attacking a jedi, but rather attacking those they protect, because a jedi will avoid your attacks if you direct them at him/her, but happily jump in front of them, if you target the innocent bystanders. Now, what if Nomi's daughter was killed or even wounded due to such a tactic? How would Nomi react? I think she would be pretty furious, because the mother-child relationship is one of the strongest there. With that in play, I think jedi philosophy quickly goes out the window, which would leave the mother (or even father) very vulnerable to influence by the dark side. Similarly, Anakin truly began to fall with the death of his mother, which is the same bond, only from the other side. He quickly abandoned his jedi ways too (and his orders), and when his mother died, he slaughtered an entire village of sand people. But I actually consider Anakin's nothing next to what a parent would be prepared to do to save his or her child(ren). If you wanted to corrupt Nomi, threatening Vima (her daughter) would be a very effective way to do that. And HK is right, because Nomi would give up her life in a second to save her child. And yet, Nomi is still considered one of the greatest and most admirable jedi of her day even so.

No, it isn't. The answer is, of course, "yes" :D

Well, I've never seen that established anywhere, which makes it more likely as far as I'm concerned that Kreia is simply twisting the facts to hide her own past. Also, Jolee's story does not seem to confirm that there was a fundamental change of perception in the order just after the Sith War.

"My CPU is a neural net processor, a learning computer."- Arnold Schwarzenegger <{POST_SNAPBACK}> [shudder] I actually did think about mentioning skynet, only I thought I had just played too much Fallout 2...

No, but doesn't that point more to an expansion than a game in its own right... If we choose to overlook the admittedly far more complex plot, I mean. It seems to me that K2 is an example of plot rather than code being what decides whether something is just an expansion or a new game...

Wouldn't it be easier to just do a new game? I mean, look at KotOR2 - it uses the same graphics and probably even much of the same code (as far as I can tell) as the original... It almost looks like an expansion to me. Not that that's surprising considering how little time Obsidian had to make to it.

Who says she's happy with it? I actually think that is precisely the "betrayal of the heart" that she talks about as a condition for becoming Darth Traya. Either that or the "betrayal of the heart" lies with Yusanis leaving her, when she turned to the dark side with their child. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Following that line of thought... is it possible that Kreia had Revan kill Yusanis out of revenge? I mean, if she was his teacher, I would have to wonder if she directed at least some of his actions... and if Revan took out Yusanis for breaking Kreia's heart. I mean, if Revan cared for Kreia as much as she seems to for him/her... ? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I guess we can't rule it out, though I doubt it myself. IIRC, the story is described more like Revan was trying to destablize the Echani worlds during his war on the republic, and it wasn't until Yusanis tried intervene and stop Revan that Revan even acknowledged him. Once that happened, goodbye Yusanis...

I agree with you concerning Apollo and that spoiler space. He will probably take the Pegasus back to Caprica in the next episode for the sake of Starbuck, who goes and gets her boyfriend back apparently. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I completely disagree with you guys regarding Apollo But I must say that I really like this show. I mean, just listen to Adama in one of the first episodes, when Roslyn asks him to bring in the military to act as police in the fleet... Adama: "There is a reason why you separate the military and the police. One fights the enemy of the state, the other serves and protects the people. When the military becomes both, then the enemies of the state tends to become the people..." I was totally blown away by that - I became an Adama fan in a second. That's great writing. The writers on this show are great - they were crazy not to keep them on Star Trek, where Ron Moore and David Weddle were major writers on DS9, which was also a very well-written show. The people running Trek should have their heads examined...

That's a very good way of putting it. So killing the Force would do more than seperate the Jedi and Sith from their powers. Everyone would die. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> We don't actually know, but given the relationship between life and the force, that does seem to be one possibility. Perhaps even a likely one. Yes, that's how I see her too. She's DS because she wants the force to die, the consequences for everyone else be damned. Basically Kreia is the Star Wars version of Ahab, at war with god, here represented by the force in this case.

I know, but how important is really whether she had the child before or after? I mean, the way Bastila describes in K1, the tradition of cutting the connections to the family has mostly something to do with the emotions between family being so strong that it becomes very difficult for a jedi to see past them. Yet they trained Nomi anyway. Consider if Nomi had fought HK-47. HK tells the Exile to attack the jedi's friends, so HK attacks Vima instead of Nomi. How would Nomi react to that? Would she be susceptible to fall the dark side as a consequence? I think she would - the mother-child relationship is about as strong a bond as I can imagine and seems to be virtually impossible for a mother to see beyond. Whether it is Nomi's "fault" or not is just a secondary consideration next to that, yet the masters still didn't hesitate to train Nomi...

Or they could do "Fallout Europe". That could be pretty fun and ingored by the die-hard fans of the original games... Nah, what am I saying - Europe could never be hit by a nuclear holocaust :ph34r:

I don't think they are allowed legally to demand money for their work, even if they deserve it, since the game is not their property. And I doubt even Nihilus and Vader put together can stand up to the LA legal department... Note to the LA legal department - the above is a joke and nothing more. I have no desire to offend or otherwise tarnish the reputation of the legal department. We all know and appreciate all the good work done by the department

Yeah, it sounds like an excuse or a cover-up by Kreia, when you know that Jolee had a wife and wasn't kicked, and Nomi had child and was still considered one of the most admired and worthy jedi of her time, which is not long before KotOR...

That's precisely the main difference and disadvantage of CRPGs, yes. That won't change until home computers have neural networks that can think... Well, since I find it hard to disagree with your theory, it becomes difficult to find arguments that put it to the test. The broader scale of PnP RPG rules compared to rules in most CRPGs would seem to support your theory, since in PnP, you have to have rules that allow for just about any possibility in the game that the GM might want to consider. Therefore the rules are broad and extensive. In a CRPG, the programmers know that the player can take only those options they have already thought of, since no others can be possible. Therefore they can limit the rules to only what they know they'll need.

Except the jedi order casts out those who are not deemed good, while the Sith kill or exile those who do not meet their standards of ruthlessness and ambition for power (=evil)... So it comes to the same thing.

Yeah, they do, but there was definitely something up with Sulik that force me to let him use only melee weapons or burst weapons like the SMG...

Well, the cortosis weave of a vibroblade allows you to effectively use the weapon even against a lightsaber... But I admit that I don't know what that means - it was just technobabble to me, when I first heard it in K1 :D

I agree with all of that. One thing that was irritating in the old FO games was that you could only give certain weapons to certain group members, because they didn't all have code for the graphics of certain weapons. Since I'm certain FO3 will be 3d, that won't be a problem anymore. And we do need vehicles! I'd love being able to play a sequence where you drive a bus while being hunted and shot at by bikers, though that does sound rather familiar already somehow... :D Aww, but being a total n00b is what made the FO games interesting - you learned about, discovered, and experienced the game world along with your main character. But it could be stretching it a third time around, I'll admit.

Yeah, I've given up on that too

Yes there was. Someone else (EA I think) had the rights. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Well, would it have been "Wasteland II" even if they had had the rights? I doubt that myself, since they are very different games, but... Awww... I would actually have preferred it to be GURPS... [Ducks for cover!!]

Actually, I'd sort of prefer the original authors to do FO3 as well, but I'm not going to rule out entirely that Bethesda could make a decent FO3... Speaking of the original authors, would that be Bioware or Obsidian or someone else today? I think that much is certain - even if FO3 is brilliant...