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Exile: Kreia has already chosen, you great fruity mummified lump of atoms! Sion:................................

Bao-Dur, I mean. Not T3. I think Bao was the most loyal. He dies for me! Kinda. He's a tight t-shirted martyr.

The voice is VERY very sexy! And the whole tight t-shirt look. And the brooding. And the way he stares at you when he's going on about the war. 'I'm.... sure you do, General'. He's hotter than any of them. Hotter than Carth, I dare say.

You have a point. Those Jedi could use a good makeover.

Someone at Obsidian must've seen your HK47.

Yeah I never noticed that. But then, due to the success of Star Trek and similar earlier shows, most uniforms in the future look like that.

Spectre and Architect must shush now. The reason Revan has few powers is because s/he's in an RPG, you eegits. It's hard to say who'd win. Luke may be good and the son of the chosen one, but Revan once stormed through the Star Forge, killing insane numbers of Dark Jedi. I guess if it came to tactics Revan would win. If we're talking Luke from any time prior to ROTJ, he'd lose. And Luke is waaaaaay cooler than Revan. Luke is what Star Wars is all about, dammit. And his last name is 'Skywalker'. That's a cool name.

Chiss are one of my favourites too. I haven't had much love for Wookiees ever since I saw the Holiday Special. I'm quite fond of Miraluka. And I think Twi'leks are so popular because 98% of them are either sexy slave girls or petite, semi-nude Jedi. Sullustans would be just as popualr if they were naked all the time.

Adare / Azkul hired 'Extreme Makeovers' to do it. They cut the weeds, rebuilt the Enclave and picked out new outfits for the Jedi Masters, even buying new earrings for Zez-Kai Ell and building a home gym for Kavarr. The whole thing took three days, and as the Exile re-entered the Academy, the team (who had been hiding behind foliage) jumped out into the centre of the Enclave, where Kreia killed them all so they wouldn't interrupt the meeting. That's all in the cut content.

I never thought of that one. And I love all the theroies about where Star Wars names come from! Good one.

K. The main character should be all new, but strongly tied to (maybe a padawan of) one of the NPC's from either game. You should definately run into Revan and the Exile at least once each. For me, the story would be about this new Jedi going picking up Revan and the Exile's pieces and sorting out the mess they both made of the galaxy one way or the other.

I'm sure you get Calo on your first planet and Bandon on your third. Fighting Bandon on Korriban always seems odd to me. First off, if Malak's apprentice was on Korriban at least someone would have mentioned him to me. Second, after a while one of the Sith is going to find the body, or notice he's missing! I tend to do it on Manaan or Kashyyk (sp?) and I tend to bring Bastilla along.

Speed is always a good choice. Get speed and heal and you can't go wrong. Pity about the armour restriction, but Jedi shouldn't wear armour, so.

I'm also a guy and I prefer both Revan and the Exile as female. I think the Carth romance is much better written than the Bastilla one. Those cheesy lines you give Bastilla and then rescuing her at the end. If it wasn't KOTOR I'd call it nauseating! As for the Exile, I can't pick a male head I like, and Visas always telling me 'my life is yours' is creepy. Also, in both games the Jedi robes make male characters look unnecesarily broad-shouldered.

Thanks. Just a lot of simple tricks and nonsense.

I believe there is some sort of tradition in Star Wars to have limbs cut off. It's like the 'bad feeling about this' thing. There's two many of these little self-references in Star Wars for my liking - in Episode 3 it gets to the point of egotism. Be fair to Obi-Wan though. In ROTS he cut off three limbs at once! THREE! He's the master!

Oh yeah, Twi'lek Malak was hot. Mission, however, was FOURTEEN.

Ah it's a great poem. I think a lot of my points were really stretched there, but I'm glad I wrote that as I've always thought there may be some similarities to the Raven. I suppose we'll never know if any of these are deliberate references.

Mira and Mandalore would definitely have SOMETHING to talk about, and they may have met, or at least she may have heard of him, seeing as how Canderous was supposed to be a famous warrior. I'm puzzled by the lack of conversation between them too.

I remember finding a blaster belonging to ........ i think it was Freedon Nadd. I only found it the once and couldn't use it because it was restricted to D/S. I've never found Nomi Sunrider's robes but I was chuffed to find her armband. I also enjoyed the Onasi blaster and 'Malak's robe'. Yeah right. Maybe when he was twelve.

I don't know if everyone makes this point at some stage or another, but does anyone think Darth Revan may be named after Edgar Allan Poe's classic poem 'The Raven'? The poem is at- http://bau2.uibk.ac.at/sg/poe/works/poetry/raven.html And you should read it if you haven't yet. It's great. The poem uses a raven as a metaphor for the narrator's lost love, which refuses to leave his bedroom and serves as a constant reminder of his dead lover Lenore. I was reading it just now and noticed that the raven is at one point described as 'this ebon bird'. Now obviously the name 'Ebon Hawk' is a reference to the 'Millennium Falcon' but maybe this and Revan's name are also Poe references. Revan's all-covering black robes give him a ravenlike appearence, as well as suggesting a supernatural, wraith-like nature. The bird is compared frequently to demons in the poem, or mentioned alongside spiritual or religious images (angels, Eden and such.) Revan is the character with the strongest association with the supernatural in terms of the Force and his/her sliding between the two sides. This is a weak point, but as the narrator seems not to understand the raven's motivation in taunting him due to its refusual to say anything but 'nevermore', so are Revan's reasons for turning to the dark side not explained in KOTOR1, leaving the galaxy to wonder. Lastly, the bird is essentially a metaphor for the narrator's feelings of loss, which drive him to an unhinged state as the bird reminds him of his lost 'Lenore'. Now everyone Revan influences seems to have a sense of loss connected with the Dark Lord. Almost all the KOTOR 1 and 2 NPC's have their own losses that haunt them. Bastilla has a lost childhood to face up to and mourns the 'loss of such a promising young knight' as Revan. Carth, of course, has his lost wife and son. Juhani has the loss of her parents, Mission misses Griff, Canderous 'weeps for his past' etc. Also in KOTOR 2, Atton, Bao-Dur, Brianna, Disciple, Canderous, Visas, Mira, Hanharr, and of course, Kreia and the Exile, are all governed by the losses of their own pasts, which are all the result of Revan and the Exile's actions at Malachor V. Revan looms like Poe's raven as a reminder of all their personal losses, and the galaxy's loss. Malak, the Exile and Kreia in particular seem to have been driven to despair and the dark side by their losses associated with Revan, much as the narrator in the poem is driven to 'shrieking' and a permanent state of terror and remorse by the raven. As the crews from each game board the Ebon Hawk, the effects of Revan's actions become apparent and bring forth memories all of their losses, forcing them to confront their pasts and some (particularly on D/S playthroughs) end up in a similar state to Poe's narrator. Perhaps the Ebon Hawk rather than Revan himself acts as the raven, reminding our two collections of tortured individuals of their missing pasts. One more thing. Another weak link. In the poem Poe frequently suggests a regal or 'lordly' nature to the Raven based on its poise. Revan of course is a dark Lord, and commands huge respect (or fear) from almost every character. Okay that's it. Do you folks think Revan's name is a reference to the Spiffy cleaned tombstone of one of our best writers? Or am I talking crap because I'm bored and pretentious?

My 'favourite' Revan was a L/S female who turned slowly to the darkside beginning after leaving Taris, eventually choosing the dark path (I'm over-dramatic like that). -She was the pale, blue-eyed woman with the black ponytail who looks like a young Barbara Streisand. -Dressed usually in either the 'scout' clothing or standard Jedi robes (Revan robes at the end.) -Carried a green lightsaber until the Star Forge when she used one red, one purple (as in the KOTOR 2 vision.) -Was a scout and then a consular. My Exile is typically a fully L/S female. -The asian woman with the odd head dress. -I dressed her in the regular clothing or Sith armour (I keep loading the entrance to the shop on Taris for ages until the bloody random item generator gives me the armour). When I eventually find it I go for either the Padawan robes or the 'Jedi' robes. -She has a single blue lightsaber. -Generally I start as a sentinel and become a weaponmaster later. Oh, I tend to name them 'Anna Dell' (Revan) and 'Lysa Dran' (Exile).

The real question is- what does T3-M4 stand for?

In general he's a great character, but for me Malak is just TOO Vader-like. The same as Atton is too Han-like and vandar is too Yoda-like and GOTO seems to be identical to the Imperial propbe droids and etc etc etc. I don't know why these games are so afraid to be original. Malak would have been better if his evil disfigurement didn't effect his voice.

Agreed. In an RPG, particularly one with such a complicated plot as K2, the lack of a good ending massively damages the game. Plot is very important to me in games, more so than pretty much anything else. If it had been finished, K2 would have had a much better plot, but somehow the Exile just doesn't seem as appealing as Revan as a character, and only a few of the Exile's shipmates just aren't as much fun as most of Revan's. However, I don't like the influence system, certain planets and the random items. K1 simply has a finished plot and is easier to use. Both are great games, but the sense of disapointment when you play K2 is a big drag factor. It doesn't have to be unfinished and faulty. Much like Revan herself it could be SO much more.