Katrina Garsten leaves Obsidian

[Flouride]

I guess some people just care about Katrina more than others. How this became a "Stop attacking Obsidian with passive aggressive comments to stir up drama" I'm not sure. Oh well, forum life or whatever. We can let it go one ear and out the other and continue to write I suppose without letting the emotional responses get to us.

 

What validates the concern is pretty much wtitten in the wall, with the common excuse of "It's normal for companies to lose and gain people". If we are being honest, it's not normal for a company to suddenly lose someone that has become as iconic as the next iconic person in staff. And realistically, we're at that point to where Katrina was known to some moreso than evem Josh Sawyer himself, before the defenses come up that this isn't true, let's not forget that Katrina became the shining face of Deadfire's backer videos. That is enough to validate the concern of any fan whosoever seems fit to deem themselves as such.

 

Her job title seems to be another excuse I've seen flying around the net: "She wasn't as valuable as Josh or anyone else working on the game". On the contrary, she was just as valuable and it's her job title that causes this thread to be made and validated in the first place. Some people will know Katrina more than Josh, because of the videos and her having more time on them, that's common sense. From the awkwardness of Obsidian losing what is basically their spokesperson and person representing the company, the face of Obsidian (more than Josh Sawyer), it's not so out of character to conclude that there may or may not be something to be concerned about, chosing to be one and not the other doesn't make anyone's argument less sound. However, there is always the fighting excuse losing the face of Obsidian other than to give the unintelligible answer: "Sh** happens." Which makes one side seem less logical than the other simply because they cannot give a solid answer.

 

Whatever the case, if her moving on from Obsidian is enough to cause all this then that undoubtedly proves that she really is irreplaceable, and we will certainly miss Katrina, she obviously wasn't happy there which is why she left. No harm in stating that either... If you ever read this, we wish you well Katrina! ALL THE BEST

 

By some, you mean especially you?

 

She isn't the face of the company. She is one of the many faces doing PR for Deadire. Naturally because she handled the Fig campaign she is present in many of the videos as the person doing the introduction for whoever will talk about the finer details. That's her job and now that the campaign/game is pretty much done she is moving onto other things like many before her. If Obsidian can survive losing an actual icon in gaming (Avellone), they sure as hell won't be in trouble losing someone else unless it's Feargus himself.

Losing an associate producer doesn't cripple a company, it hardly leaves a dent. Someone will step up and take her position. She is one of many (even out of the producers), even though she has been lately getting more recognition due to the campaign. I don't think many even knew of her on these forums during her time on Armored Warfare.

The Fig campaign was a great boost for her career and it would seem she is making the best of it by taking an another job.

 

You caused most of this discussion with your endless speculation. Most people here realize it's normal to move on in the gaming business rather than stay at the same company for a decade or two and most gamers won't even know she left.

You just can't seem to let it go. You go on and on about it, coming up with new stuff/conspiracies to throw at the wall while denying any such actions from your part.

We get it, you will miss Katrina.

[Flouride]

I don't care if you're trying to make me look like the crazy preacher for stating facts on how business work, if you consider stating facts of how business works that's on you. You obviously do not know how these things work, there's no reason to get mad at me because I do.

 

What kind of businesses are you referring to which uohold these types of contracts? Think about it carefully. And where is the proof that smaller lesser followed video game companies much like Obsidian work under such conditions or if at all.

 

My comments certainly have a point, there's no reason to keep going off topic to try to disprove truth of how business structure works.

 

Obsidian's moreorless generic answer of "Katrina left to persue other/better things" is not an honest answer to the public and you'd have to be crazy to think so since that is th most common answer for companies that do not want to be so transparent. So why people feel they have to defend Obsidian and try to make them look like they are being any more honest than any other business is beyond me.

 

"Good luck into the future, Katrina! Can't wait until you can say where you're off to! :)"  by MCA.

 

If Katrina can't disclose her next job right now in public, do you think Obsidian or others can go public with such information even if they had it? Maybe if they were massive ***holes and wanted her to get in trouble for telling them in the 1st place...

 

To your question: Pro sports. Employees are never allowed to go to the media to tell their next location before the employer goes public about it. Same thing goes for entertainment business, which gaming business follows at least in some sense when it comes to contracts. For example some contracts are for certain project (game/movie), once your part is done, you move on.

[SonicMage117]

By some, you mean especially you?

 

She isn't the face of the company. She is one of the many faces doing PR for Deadire. Naturally because she handled the Fig campaign she is present in many of the videos as the person doing the introduction for whoever will talk about the finer details. That's her job and now that the campaign/game is pretty much done she is moving onto other things like many before her. If Obsidian can survive losing an actual icon in gaming (Avellone), they sure as hell won't be in trouble losing someone else unless it's Feargus himself.

Losing an associate producer doesn't cripple a company, it hardly leaves a dent. Someone will step up and take her position. She is one of many (even out of the producers), even though she has been lately getting more recognition due to the campaign. I don't think many even knew of her on these forums during her time on Armored Warfare.

The Fig campaign was a great boost for her career and it would seem she is making the best of it by taking an another job.

 

You caused most of this discussion with your endless speculation. Most people here realize it's normal to move on in the gaming business rather than stay at the same company for a decade or two and most gamers won't even know she left.

You just can't seem to let it go. You go on and on about it, coming up with new stuff/conspiracies to throw at the wall while denying any such actions from your part.

We get it, you will miss Katrina.

By some I mean more people than me, people besides me, other people that are not me.

 

Katrina not being the face of Deadfire backers may be subjective. In most cases, it certainly would make sense thst to people is since the first face you see in the video is in fact, Katrina's.

 

If course it's her job, you're repeating what I've been saying, but her job title doesn't actually somehow magically become the excuse of fans being able to dismiss her for the very role she was hired for. It doesn't make sense.

 

All that I've written, none of it is baseless speculation, as I've repeatedly saud that none of what I wrote of business model was targeted towards Obsidian. I am not really responsible for how people recieve what I've written, especially when I've made it perfectly clear that what I've written wasn't focused on Obsidian but businesses in general.

 

I won't let it go because you have been twisting my words and putting words in my mouth, also because some people with the attitude of "The thread is over because I say it's over". I'll stop denying my actions when you start admitting you're continously trying to convince me that I wrote something different than I actually did, fair? Best I can do.

 

Where are these conspiracies people keep speaking of? It's almost as if people are tryimg to see something that's never been there in the comments. Besides me, there are a few other people on this thread and all we've been saying is that it's strange that she left before the game released. As a person who has been involved in passionate projects before, I know how awkward it would be to leave right before a project I loved was released. It's not normal and nobody will convince me otherwise. Katrina probably won't be at the release party because it would be too awkward (common sense but that would also probably be considered forum logic by today's standard). Even if she was offered another job, employers would be able to wait til the project is released, etc. So that's mainly what tips concern. Red flags if an employer cannot respect wishes before starting an employee who spent years with a team working on a project, a new employer saying "You can't" is not realistic thinking as employers don't say that instead they ask "When can you start?" Because it's professional and courteous.

 

Oh well.

Edited March 16, 2018 by SonicMage117

[Tigranes]

" I'm not saying the company is in shambles, just saying that if it was - "

 

"I took business classes, having a history in business is how I landed my job."

 

Reminds you of someone, doesn't it?

[Guest]

The most amazing thing about SonicMage117 is that anyone takes him seriously

[IndiraLightfoot]

Yeah, only the consequences merit some kind of serious response, sometimes...

[SonicMage117]

Where is the creativity? Where is the logical argument at? If you disagree, can you accomplish saying something reasonable without throwing petty insults, or do we always have to resort to that kind of thing every time we read something we don't like? I know it's the cool thing on here to gang up while trolling, that's always been an interesting forum behavior to me.

 

Edit: You guys reminded me of

Edited March 16, 2018 by SonicMage117

[Boeroer]

This starts to annoy me... and bore me at the same time. What is this called? Annoredom? Borenoyance? 

 

 

Where is the creativity? Where is the logical argument at? If you disagree, can you accomplish saying something reasonable without throwing petty insults, or do we always have to resort to that kind of thing every time we read something we don't like? I know it's the cool thing on here to gang up while trolling, that's always been an interesting forum behavior to me.

 

This doesn't happen when someone disagrees, it only happens as soon as you write weird, uncovered stuff haphazardly. It's toxic in the long run.

 

By the way most of the answers are pretty reasonable - yours are not always among them.

[SonicMage117]

It is as we all know, forum logic works in opposites.

 

Another's commemts only become irrelevant or unreasonable when one comcludes them as unfavorable, this is nothing new.

 

If you are annoyed or want the thread to die, you are not forced to read and you are not obligated to answer. However, I wouldn't let someone tell me how to write or when to stop writing. People claiming my comments are assumptions, have only been assuming themselves without admiting so and as always.

 

In other words, this isn't about my comments being illogical, but only of my comments not being liked. You are not annoyed because my comments are nonsense or basly written or don't make sense but because you don't like what I'm saying enough tht you feel you must respond.

 

May the thread live a happy long life, my friends.

[IndiraLightfoot]

Toeing the line just for spite. I didn't realize that doing this repeatedly was an art form.

To me, it's simply coming across as tiresome, enervating and disrespectful to Obsidian as well as to their forum visitors.

[Guest]

This starts to annoy me... and bore me at the same time. What is this called? Annoredom? Borenoyance?

 

Where is the creativity? Where is the logical argument at? If you disagree, can you accomplish saying something reasonable without throwing petty insults, or do we always have to resort to that kind of thing every time we read something we don't like? I know it's the cool thing on here to gang up while trolling, that's always been an interesting forum behavior to me.

This doesn't happen when someone disagrees, it only happens as soon as you write weird, uncovered stuff haphazardly. It's toxic in the long run.

 

By the way most of the answers are pretty reasonable - yours are not always among them.

You do realize that the only thing he wants is this kind of attention, right? He’s not actually interested in saying anything meaningful.

[SonicMage117]

I don't think non-members aren't going to care about who's trolling who, but it is bad for the forum rep. Even moreso is people constantly degrading and accusing members of having alternate accounts just because they disagree but cannot properly counter a given standpoint on an issue, which seems to be the norm of the past few months on these threads.

 

It's just best to let the thread die I guess, but who are we kidding, the same members that are trolling here are the same who necro'd the other thread not too long ago just to troll it further. How quickly we forget. When the members are constipated, it's easy to want to forget and I can understand that.

 

When threads like this continue to live past their due life, I wonder, which side will set aside their pride for the sake of the community. Who will be the bigger avatar in the end?

[SonicMage117]

 

This starts to annoy me... and bore me at the same time. What is this called? Annoredom? Borenoyance?

Where is the creativity? Where is the logical argument at? If you disagree, can you accomplish saying something reasonable without throwing petty insults, or do we always have to resort to that kind of thing every time we read something we don't like? I know it's the cool thing on here to gang up while trolling, that's always been an interesting forum behavior to me.

This doesn't happen when someone disagrees, it only happens as soon as you write weird, uncovered stuff haphazardly. It's toxic in the long run.

By the way most of the answers are pretty reasonable - yours are not always among them.

You do realize that the only thing he wants is this kind of attention, right? He’s not actually interested in saying anything meaningful.

I already posted meaningful comments, now I'm simply replying to petty insults from people who never learned to counter comments properly. I could care less if you or anyone gives me any sort of attention. I don't know any of you so not sure how nobody's attention would somehow benefit me. No offense, just saying.

[rjshae]

All right, well good luck to Ms. Garsten in her new endeavors then.

[Flouride]

 

I already posted meaningful comments, now I'm simply replying to petty insults from people who never learned to counter comments properly. I could care less if you or anyone gives me any sort of attention. I don't know any of you so not sure how nobody's attention would somehow benefit me. No offense, just saying.

 

 

That's rich. You pick your battles carefully on this thread, commenting "only" on the nonsense and try to play the victim game while ignoring all the valid points made in this thread. At least you are a lot better than your average forum troll.

r00fles!

[SonicMage117]

And yet you're the one using the common troll language.

 

The only rich here is that you accuse me of the very thing you are doing, in more ways than one.... for example, accusing me of not giving up. Here you are yet again, you must not really want this thread to die, nor must you really dislike reading my comments. Have a good day.

[Guest]

And yet you're the one using the common troll language.

 

The only rich here is that you accuse me of the very thing you are doing, in more ways than one.... for example, accusing me of not giving up. Here you are yet again, you must not really want this thread to die, nor must you really dislike reading my comments. Have a good day.

Troll deflects accusation of trolling by accusing others of being trolls. Troll-ception.

[SonicMage117]

I thought it was the other way around... seeing how my differed opinion was the only thing that got me called a troll in the first place.

[Guest]

The fact that you’re a troll is why people keep calling you a troll. The fact that some people seem to have a hard time noticing is why Flouride said you’re above average at it.

[SonicMage117]

Except it's not that I'm the real troll, it's anything but that. You and other members on this forum are constantly accusing myself and others of trolling, having alternate accounts and so on is only because you guys don't like what people say or because you guys cannot convince others that they're wrong and to convert to your side of the argument, not because what they're saying is ill-mannered. You guys could say the sky is pink and agree with each other for the sake of proving someone wrong, it still doesn't make it so.

Edited March 16, 2018 by SonicMage117

[the_dog_days]

Dear moderators, I think it is safe to close this thread.

[majestic]

Except it's not that I'm the real troll, it's anything but that. You and other members on this forum are constantly accusing myself and others of trolling, having alternate accounts and so on is only because you guys don't like what people say or because you guys cannot convince others that they're wrong and to convert to your side of the argument, not because what they're saying is ill-mannered. You guys could say the sky is pink and agree with each other for the sake of proving someone wrong, it still doesn't make it so.

 

 You're like the love child of Karzak and Caelis, and if you don't do that on purpose then maybe you should re-think that. You've got a real gift here.

[SonicMage117]

So you're implying that what I said isn't true? Perhaps you should take a look at some of the threads across this forums, where mods are constantly asking the trolls to stop accusing members of having alternate accounts and other things in general. You guys act if I'm making all this stuff up but the proof is there, however if one chooses to live in denial or not look for the truth that is entirely up to them.

 

So far, I've been insulted in almost every way on this thread, as people have been for saying something that members don't particularly like. If it's not being accused of seeking attention, it's starting conspiracies, if it's not that, then it's trolling, and if it's not trolling then it's caring too much. So which one is it, I wonder, as some of these actually contradict each other - though some members aren't smart enough to tell there's a difference.

[Bartimaeus]

PSA: The best way to suppress discussion with a troll is to...you got it, not discuss anything with them. Only YOU can prevent forest fires trolls (and general ....-for-brains) from crapping all over your forums more than strictly necessarily.

Edited March 17, 2018 by Bartimaeus

[SonicMage117]

Or report the thread or/and the troll to a mod as trolling is against the forums rules.

 

I have no doubt that a mod will be here shortly, I think the thread has ran it's course and will be locked shortly.