Malcador Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Reading about the horror of playing for 40 hours to unlock a character in a game....while I'm looking at a 28 DAY cool down before I can learn my last flame staff recipe in eso...You just need to wait for that, not grind for it. Kind of a bonkers cool down thoughWhich is worse to a video game player, Waiting or grinding? That it is lol Waiting isn't so bad, you can do something else, after all Luckily my only experience with grinding was the vanilla WoW PvP grind. Which was pretty tame all things considered Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra
213374U Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Reading about the horror of playing for 40 hours to unlock a character in a game....while I'm looking at a 28 DAY cool down before I can learn my last flame staff recipe in eso... Think of it this way: you can put those 28 days towards something productive, such as unlocking a bunch of heroes in Battlefront 2. The whole review bombing thing is a pity, because by all accounts it's a solid game and genuinely fun to play. Oh well... - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
Rosbjerg Posted November 15, 2017 Author Posted November 15, 2017 Someone just did the math (article), to unlock everything you have to play for 4,528 hours or fork up, on average (again because of the chance based system), 2100$ So even getting to 1/3 of the heroes will require almost 1000 hours worth of play or ~700$ up front on top of the retail price. This is not a direction we'll want games to take imo.. 4 Fortune favors the bald.
injurai Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Someone just did the math, to unlock everything you have to play for 4,528 hours or fork up, on average (again because of the chance based system), 2100$ So even getting to 1/3 of the heroes will require almost 1000 hours worth of play or ~700$ up front. This is not a direction we want games to take imo.. That's 27 weeks or 51% of your year playing non-stop with no breaks. Which means it is economically more prudent just to shill out the $2100 USD. This is how they get you. The backlash was more than deserved. 2
Mamoulian War Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Nowadays, for me it is grinding :-P I still have no problem to grind for stuff, but I need to have some carrot, and have to see a reward in the end. I spent 750 hours in Star Ocean grinding for gear to be able to kill Ethereal Queen in 10 minutes and get the hardest battletrophies and Platinum. But some people were able to get it under 300 hours. Because they got better skills. And no MTs in the game. It took me more than 5 years to achieve that. So if by some stupid decision I would start to play this game, I would be able to unlock all content without paying for lootboxes in 4 to 5 years. Bit knowing EA. The servers will be gone in 2 years. So people like me, will never unlock all the content. On the other hand, there is nice saying. "If you starts to think about paying to skip the content of the game, instead of experiencing it, the content is ****." But what is the reason/incentive to pay for ****ty content? 1 Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours
Gorgon Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Wow, this looks absolutely beautiful: Remember Watchdogs. Trust no one. 2 Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all.
Mamoulian War Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Especially not Ubisoft :-D Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours
Mamoulian War Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Someone just did the math, to unlock everything you have to play for 4,528 hours or fork up, on average (again because of the chance based system), 2100$ So even getting to 1/3 of the heroes will require almost 1000 hours worth of play or ~700$ up front. This is not a direction we want games to take imo.. That's 27 weeks or 51% of your year playing non-stop with no breaks. Which means it is economically more prudent just to shill out the $2100 USD. This is how they get you. The backlash was more than deserved. Well with my luck, I would have to fork out probably about 6300 EUR to unlock all the content. Well, compared to this ****, the For Honor 700EUR to unlock all the stuff, sounds like ****ing awesome deal... 1 Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours
Oner Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Battletech has an update with some sexy new screenshots.https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/webeharebrained/battletech/posts/2044957?ref=backer_project_update 1 Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13.
ShadySands Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Battletech has an update with some sexy new screenshots. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/webeharebrained/battletech/posts/2044957?ref=backer_project_update Thanks! I keep forgetting this exists 1 Free games updated 3/4/21
Katphood Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 Remember Watchdogs. Trust no one. Oh trust me, I don't trust them. It's just that I always set my expectations low when it comes to Ubi games. The only redeeming factor I am looking forward to when it comes to Far Cry 5 is some open world shooting and driving. Far Cry 2 had an awful story but my god do I still love that fictional African setting. I could just roam around, look at the scenery and do nothing else. Far Cry 5 looks like the perfect Southern U.S hiking simulator and I haven't played a game with a similar setting. P.S: Far Cry 6 should be set in the barren wastelands of Antarctica...seriously, they had that in mind at some point. There used to be a signature here, a really cool one...and now it's gone.
Tale Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 The AMA for Star Wars Battlefront is going on, if anyone's interested. https://www.reddit.com/r/StarWarsBattlefront/comments/7d4qft/star_wars_battlefront_ii_dice_developer_ama/ There's a lot of vague "we're analyzing data" responses. Which probably don't mean anything to the typical user. This includes the concerns about Pay 2 Win, balance, and how long it takes for progression. I'm personally really enthusiastic that the Associate Design Director (promoted recently to Design Director according to LinkedIN), Dennis Brannvall, says they're looking to change progression so that it's clearer and loot crates aren't a forced part of progression. Dennis has been very responsive with the community even through Battlefront 2015, so I'm very optimistic. And it's probably my biggest complaint. Sadly, I don't see similar commitments to looking into fixing the balance concerns of the upgrade system. Instead they're going to focus on matchmaking right now to solve that. "Show me a man who "plays fair" and I'll show you a very talented cheater."
ShadySands Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 F2P Dev guy on lootboxes https://twitter.com/ZenOfDesign/status/930809632859344896 I enjoyed it but I'm easy 5 Free games updated 3/4/21
majestic Posted November 15, 2017 Posted November 15, 2017 F2P Dev guy on lootboxes https://twitter.com/ZenOfDesign/status/930809632859344896 I enjoyed it but I'm easy Nice post but people should really stop posting essays on Twatter. It's annoying. 5 No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering.
213374U Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 (edited) Battletech has an update with some sexy new screenshots. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/webeharebrained/battletech/posts/2044957?ref=backer_project_update Thanks! I keep forgetting this exists You can't take the rpg out of HBS. F2P Dev guy on lootboxes https://twitter.com/ZenOfDesign/status/930809632859344896 I enjoyed it but I'm easy Nice post but people should really stop posting essays on Twatter. It's annoying. I'm sure the guy had some interesting things to say, but I simply can't stand the formatting. Sorry, dev-dude. I'd really like to read it too -- he worked on the SWTOR F2P transition. He even has a link to his personal blog... but apparently cba to post this there. I feel old. Edited November 16, 2017 by 213374U - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
Oner Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 F2P Dev guy on lootboxes https://twitter.com/ZenOfDesign/status/930809632859344896 I enjoyed it but I'm easy "I've been working on Free-To-Play games for years and lootboxes are pretty crucial to that business model working." Load of bull. League of Legends made F2P work and popularized it and they didn't add lootboxes until a year ago - and even then the boxes are mainly earned through playing the game and while buying them is an option, the devs themselves discouraged it. Buying is useful if you lack either boxes or the keys needed to open them and don't want to wait for one or the other, but if you want something specific, buying it normally is the sensible choice. Sure, not everything will be as popular as League, but that doesn't make lootboxes necessary. Didn't those things become the rage suddenly after Overwatch? I don't remember them being a thing before. GW2 had black lion chests, but those weren't the main attraction for the real money store either. 1 Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13.
Lexx Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 That Battletech stuff looks great. I too always forget about this game, though... probably because news are coming in so slow, dunno. "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die."
Belle Sorciere Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 Battletech has an update with some sexy new screenshots. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/webeharebrained/battletech/posts/2044957?ref=backer_project_update Thanks! I keep forgetting this exists You can't take the rpg out of HBS. F2P Dev guy on lootboxes https://twitter.com/ZenOfDesign/status/930809632859344896 I enjoyed it but I'm easy Nice post but people should really stop posting essays on Twatter. It's annoying. I'm sure the guy had some interesting things to say, but I simply can't stand the formatting. Sorry, dev-dude. I'd really like to read it too -- he worked on the SWTOR F2P transition. He even has a link to his personal blog... but apparently cba to post this there. I feel old. Just read starting from the top and down to the bottom. It's straightforward as heck.
ShadySands Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 I thought about copying it here but that'd require effort and a basic grasp of proper formatting. Free games updated 3/4/21
213374U Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 Just read starting from the top and down to the bottom. It's straightforward as heck. Gee, why didn't I think of that? - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
Belle Sorciere Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 Just read starting from the top and down to the bottom. It's straightforward as heck. Gee, why didn't I think of that? I just mean the formatting isn't that bad, and reading it is straightforward.
213374U Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 Just read starting from the top and down to the bottom. It's straightforward as heck. Gee, why didn't I think of that? I just mean the formatting isn't that bad, and reading it is straightforward. Different strokes, I guess. To me it completely breaks the flow of reading by randomly breaking up the text into paragraphs that aren't immediately adjacent. It's great at preventing diagonal reading, too. - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast.
Mamoulian War Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 F2P Dev guy on lootboxes https://twitter.com/ZenOfDesign/status/930809632859344896 I enjoyed it but I'm easy "I've been working on Free-To-Play games for years and lootboxes are pretty crucial to that business model working."Load of bull. League of Legends made F2P work and popularized it and they didn't add lootboxes until a year ago - and even then the boxes are mainly earned through playing the game and while buying them is an option, the devs themselves discouraged it. Buying is useful if you lack either boxes or the keys needed to open them and don't want to wait for one or the other, but if you want something specific, buying it normally is the sensible choice. Sure, not everything will be as popular as League, but that doesn't make lootboxes necessary. Didn't those things become the rage suddenly after Overwatch? I don't remember them being a thing before. GW2 had black lion chests, but those weren't the main attraction for the real money store either. According to one article, which I am unable to find out, there was before Overwatch in 7 years about 17 "AAA" games with some sort of lootboxes. After Overwatch in about a year, there is already 22 "AAA" games with lootboxes. The culprit of this **** is pretty well visible. 2 Sent from my Stone Tablet, using Chisel-a-Talk 2000BC. My youtube channel: MamoulianFH Latest Let's Play Tales of Arise (completed) Latest Bossfight Compilation Dark Souls Remastered - New Game (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 1: Austria Grand Campaign (completed) Let's Play/AAR Europa Universalis 2: Xhosa Grand Campaign (completed) My PS Platinums and 100% - 29 games so far (my PSN profile) 1) God of War III - PS3 - 24+ hours 2) Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 130+ hours 3) White Knight Chronicles International Edition - PS3 - 525+ hours 4) Hyperdimension Neptunia - PS3 - 80+ hours 5) Final Fantasy XIII-2 - PS3 - 200+ hours 6) Tales of Xillia - PS3 - 135+ hours 7) Hyperdimension Neptunia mk2 - PS3 - 152+ hours 8.) Grand Turismo 6 - PS3 - 81+ hours (including Senna Master DLC) 9) Demon's Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 10) Tales of Graces f - PS3 - 337+ hours 11) Star Ocean: The Last Hope International - PS3 - 750+ hours 12) Lightning Returns: Final Fantasy XIII - PS3 - 127+ hours 13) Soulcalibur V - PS3 - 73+ hours 14) Gran Turismo 5 - PS3 - 600+ hours 15) Tales of Xillia 2 - PS3 - 302+ hours 16) Mortal Kombat XL - PS4 - 95+ hours 17) Project CARS Game of the Year Edition - PS4 - 120+ hours 18) Dark Souls - PS3 - 197+ hours 19) Hyperdimension Neptunia Victory - PS3 - 238+ hours 20) Final Fantasy Type-0 - PS4 - 58+ hours 21) Journey - PS4 - 9+ hours 22) Dark Souls II - PS3 - 210+ hours 23) Fairy Fencer F - PS3 - 215+ hours 24) Megadimension Neptunia VII - PS4 - 160 hours 25) Super Neptunia RPG - PS4 - 44+ hours 26) Journey - PS3 - 22+ hours 27) Final Fantasy XV - PS4 - 263+ hours (including all DLCs) 28) Tales of Arise - PS4 - 111+ hours 29) Dark Souls: Remastered - PS4 - 121+ hours
Raithe Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 Remember Watchdogs. Trust no one. Oh trust me, I don't trust them. It's just that I always set my expectations low when it comes to Ubi games. The only redeeming factor I am looking forward to when it comes to Far Cry 5 is some open world shooting and driving. Far Cry 2 had an awful story but my god do I still love that fictional African setting. I could just roam around, look at the scenery and do nothing else. Far Cry 5 looks like the perfect Southern U.S hiking simulator and I haven't played a game with a similar setting. P.S: Far Cry 6 should be set in the barren wastelands of Antarctica...seriously, they had that in mind at some point. The question will be... if you stand around and listen to music for 15 minutes at the start of the game will you be able to complete it without killing anyone? "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum."
Katphood Posted November 16, 2017 Posted November 16, 2017 (edited) Looks pretty darn sweet. So many games and so little time and -as of late- energy. Edited November 16, 2017 by Katphood There used to be a signature here, a really cool one...and now it's gone.
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