Political Twelve Monkeys

[Hurlshort]

Has anyone noticed what is happening to the air in New Delhi?

[smjjames]

Yeah, they've been going overboard with fireworks during that festival, on top of the usual problems.

[Malcador]

Yeah, they've been going overboard with fireworks during that festival, on top of the usual problems.

 

 

Thought it was mainly crop burning to blame. 

[pmp10]

Why are you posting that in politics? There's nothing political about it, unless perhaps you're Republican, or even Libertarian. Dont know what the Libertarian position is on Global Warming and Climate Change.

Climate change is science but taking it as a opportunity to push agenda is very much political.

You can easily tell by the offered suggestions where the authors stand politically.

[Pidesco]

Why are you posting that in politics? There's nothing political about it, unless perhaps you're Republican, or even Libertarian. Dont know what the Libertarian position is on Global Warming and Climate Change.

 

Reality has a well known liberal bias.

[Guard Dog]

Mainly I posted it here because the politicians who want us to go back to feudalism and live in mud huts and ride donkeys to our "green" jobs live in houses that burn more electricity than a small city. They fly in private jets going nowhere they need to be, thoughtlessly burn energy and preach at us how we need to shape up.  They don't even believe their own message. Or just think they are above it all. http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/GlobalWarming/story?id=2906888

 

Besides I remember in 1975 hearing we had just 10 years left. Then in 1982 there would be mass starvation by 1990. Then in 1996 the Earth would be uninhabitable in the tropic belt by 2020. How many times does the boy have to cry wolf?

 

That is not to say climate change isn't a real thing. The climate has been changing since the first free protein strings formed a cell. The climate on Mars has been heating up since Viking touched down at Chryse Plantitia in 1976 to what Opportunity is measuring at Edeavor crater some 4000k away. And that is also not to say man made gasses and human activity do not have some effect. The reductions in the use of fluorocarbons has already had an impact on the ozone layer. But far too often the "green" cause is co-opted by people with a political axe to grind and use this "green zealotry" as a cynical path to political power. Religion and science made a poor combination. But politics and science are equally toxic.

[Guard Dog]

Think liberty is not dying in the land of the "free"? Your private property is no longer private, nor even really yours: http://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/miami-shores/article97915197.html

[Gfted1]

Home owner associations have all sorts of power over the exterior of the property. Siding, paint color, roof shingles, grass height, etc... I don't want to see some clown in his driveway with 3 cars up on blocks either.

[Malcador]

Do you have to submit to one to live in the neighborhood? Luckily here we just have informal NIMBYs

[Gfted1]

Not all neighborhoods have a homeowners association, but if they do, yes you must submit. And the association is usually made up of members of the neighborhood, so its not like some fatcat is coming in and telling you what to do.

[Malcador]

Yeah, it's just your prick neighbours instead

[Guard Dog]

That actually wasn't a homeowner's association. It was the city of Miami Shores. Of course, from personal experience I think even less of homeowner's associations. Now there is petty tyranny for you. My fist house was in a suburb of Fort Lauderdale called Margate. It was, like most south Florida developments under the rule of a particularly nazi-esque association. The vice president of this thing was a 70 year old moral busybody who got his exercise every morning by walking around the community with a clip board and a camera looking for violations to cite people for. I was driving to work late one morning when I saw that fat, bald SOB on his knees in someone's yard measuring the height of grass with a ruler. I seriously considered running him over. I'm quite sure no one would have seen anything.

 

But for all that a homeowners association is something you freely join when you buy property in the community. You know going in that buying that house means joining the agreement of homeowners to live by a certain set of rules. The city on the other hand exerting such heavy handed control over a private residence in which the public has no ownership interest should be alarming. I've said it before the five justices who sided with the City of New London in the Kelo case should have been dragged from the courthouse at the end of a rope and hanged in the street. That decision changed forever the relationship between private property and municipal authority.

[Agiel]

[Gfted1]

Run him out of town!

[injurai]

HOA's usually existed to maintain the value of homes in the neighborhood. If you don't have the wealth to do your part in maintaining everyone's hard investments then it's strongly suggested you get out.

 

I think the basic premise is fine on some level, but it get's murky because people can get really ****ing petty. Especially from people who stay at home or work from home, they become little socialite vigilantes. If someone has kids and works full time, they're roll in society is more important than some childless or empty nesting stay at home, and certainly deserve some slack. Usually if an HOA is really laying on the bull**** you can go to your local news and break the story. HOA's usually have more power if your doing something wrong, as opposed to not meeting the basics.

[Hurlshort]

I like the idea of having access to an HOA pool, because pool maintenance is a hassle. But other than that they are a pain. 

[Maedhros]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-ei11WhPCDI

[Guard Dog]

To all of you folks who are worry about the idiots President (insert any name here) is putting into positions of power should consider something. If we took away all of the governments power and left it just enough to fulfill it's basic functions you would not have to lie awake at night worrying what those idiots are up to. Just sayin'

[Volourn]

Home Owner Associations are just another excuse and way for humans to act like Nazis and enslave others while lording their power and status. EVIL.

[smjjames]

To all of you folks who are worry about the idiots President (insert any name here) is putting into positions of power should consider something. If we took away all of the governments power and left it just enough to fulfill it's basic functions you would not have to lie awake at night worrying what those idiots are up to. Just sayin'

I suspect that fulfilling basic functions and allowing things to work requires a lot more people than you think.

 

I wonder when someone will attempt that kind of downsizing on the Federal and State level. Possibly down to county and big city level too.

 

As for the HOA thing, I don't have any personal experience with those.

Edited November 14, 2017 by smjjames

[Malcador]

To all of you folks who are worry about the idiots President (insert any name here) is putting into positions of power should consider something. If we took away all of the governments power and left it just enough to fulfill it's basic functions you would not have to lie awake at night worrying what those idiots are up to. Just sayin'

 

In some cases, say EPA, its absence will still have people up an night worrying about a different set of idiots.  People only act to help the common good with a gun to their heads.

[Guard Dog]

Just to repeat, the story was not about HOA hubris. It was about a city making what is essentially landscape decoration decisions on a private residence what was not in poor repair, behind on it's taxes, or in any violation of building code. In short there was absolutely no reason for the city to intrude on that private residence and tell them how to decorate the yard they pay for. The court to say that a great deal of deference must be given to an elected government should terrify us. What can't they do then?

 

Hell will freeze solid before I ever live within a city limit again.

[smjjames]

Even small town governments can be jerkwads when it comes to regulations.

[Guard Dog]

"Government, even in it's best state is but a necessary evil. In it's worst state an intolerable one."

Edited November 14, 2017 by Guard Dog

[injurai]

Shame government isn't like sex.