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[Belle Sorciere]

 

When you say they see nothing wrong with "blank" the blank in question is racism and sexism. They see nothing wrong with racism and sexism. What exactly is the middle ground between being racist and sexist and being against racism and sexism? Why should there be a middle ground? Is there anything at all redeemable about racism or sexism, or arguments in favor of either? What is the reasonable discussion that involves compromise to allow for racism and sexism?

 

There are varying degrees: for example, some people see the -isms as being a fatal character flaw - the person is irredeemable and not worth interacting with anymore. Alternatively, you could possibly see it as a sad reflection on some of the current problems/differences in and between different parts of society and possibly its (sub)cultures. Instead of immediately cutting that person out of your life and/or treating them like trash because of their views, you could provide a different perspective while backing it up with some sort of reason that appeals to them...so that you might influence their own viewpoint - and if it doesn't do anything, well, you tried. There are also definitely varying "reasons" behind -isms: some fall into the "I have no applicable reasons for my beliefs, and nothing you say is going to change my mind", but a lot of others are more of the "I think there are legitimate issues here with (x)" that a lot of us could probably agree are definitely problems...while making very different conclusions about them, their causes, and the ways to resolve them. You'll probably have an easier time appealing to the latter group with reason than the former, right? Meanwhile, if you yourself remain reasonable, they'll probably have an easier time of being able to bridge the gap in differences of beliefs and respect your viewpoint even when it's contrary to theirs. It's pretty rare that ideologues of any kind are any good at providing a decent discussion - regardless of whether one side is reasonable in their initial assumptions or not.

 

...I have no idea if any of this is applicable to the thread, because as mentioned before, it is indeed a dumpster fire and I have no wish to go back in. Furthermore, I'm not really one of the "reasonable" types on the internet, but that's mainly because it almost always feels like a total waste of time...but that's more about my own lack of patience and virtue than anything else. I am a little better in real life with these sorts of things, and I'm sure the same probably goes for most people when dealing with people we personally know.

 

 

I took this to the other thread so better to discuss it there.

 

A short answer in two parts:

 

Part #1 is that this is in reference to that one guy's views as he posted them on RPG Codex.

Part #2 is that I am not really moved much by centrist arguments to see both sides of an argument when one side of that argument involves the insistent dehumanization of and possible calls of violence against people because of their race, gender, orientation, etc.

 

Shorter version: I don't see any room for common ground with Nazis.

Edited September 8, 2017 by Belle Sorciere

[213374U]

I'd like to read the guy's actual posts on the KKKodex before joining the (latest) crusade of the righteous -- on either side. I sure as hell am not taking Exitium's word for it.

[Fenixp]

I'd like to read the guy's actual posts on the KKKodex before joining the (latest) crusade of the righteous -- on either side. I sure as hell am not taking Exitium's word for it.

That's not how this works man, you have to fill in the blanks with whatever outrages you and then join one of the sides based on which one's views are a better fit for your outrage. Alternatively, if you see this as an SJW / anti-SJW deba... Sorry, flame war, you need to remember whether you were or were not SJW and then adjust meaning of what he said to whatever fits your agenda.

 

I mean, who cares for facts?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6gLMSf4afzo

Edited September 8, 2017 by Fenixp

[Bartimaeus]

Part #2 is that I am not really moved much by centrist arguments to see both sides of an argument when one side of that argument involves the insistent dehumanization of and possible calls of violence against people because of their race, gender, orientation, etc.

 

Shorter version: I don't see any room for common ground with Nazis.

 

That's definitely on the more extreme (and non-negotiable) end of the issue, if that's the case.

[majestic]

I'd like to read the guy's actual posts on the KKKodex before joining the (latest) crusade of the righteous -- on either side. I sure as hell am not taking Exitium's word for it.

 

http://imgur.com/n8Moni6

 

Have fun with the arrangement. You might need to download the picture or copy/paste it into paint or whatever you use, depending on your screen's resolution. As far as (KKKodexian) internet tripe goes this is pretty mild, although some of the posts are clearly written under the influence.

 

...and with that, let's leave it out of this thread, lest it gets locked. Might be better to split off the part and move it to WOT, but it's not like rat's bums are given and all that. *shrug*

[HoonDing]

That's it? That's so tepid it's not even locker room talk.

[Raithe]

Hmm, The Technomancer is 70% off on Steam at the moment. Pondering whether it's worthwhile adding in the distractions of a new game at the moment...

[HoonDing]

I should replay it and bang Amelia instead.

[Malcador]

 

I'd like to read the guy's actual posts on the KKKodex before joining the (latest) crusade of the righteous -- on either side. I sure as hell am not taking Exitium's word for it.

http://imgur.com/n8Moni6

 

Have fun with the arrangement. You might need to download the picture or copy/paste it into paint or whatever you use, depending on your screen's resolution. As far as (KKKodexian) internet tripe goes this is pretty mild, although some of the posts are clearly written under the influence.

 

...and with that, let's leave it out of this thread, lest it gets locked. Might be better to split off the part and move it to WOT, but it's not like rat's bums are given and all that. *shrug*

Good thing he didn't post in the **** thread.

[SonicMage117]

seems sm117 is stuck in a loop. repeat the claim o' misunderstanding. repeat, "you seem somewhat offended," stuff. only thing new were a non explanation o' a "reference to something"?

 

okie dokie.

 

...

 

if sorciere genuine wants to discuss the aforementioned issue, repost below in the dumpster fire thread, and we will address tomorrow. am not being condescending. honest. is late. am tired. am gonna get 4 hours o' sleep. the mods will chastise if we spread the garbage o' a thread they already locked once. why make their job tougher, eh?

 

HA! Good Fun!

If I have to spell it out "Gromnir getting angry" was a indirect reference to the Hulk, replacing Hulk with Gromnir.

 

You're the only one in a loop here, now instead of talking to me, you're only talking about me in responses to other people. Your obsessive pettyness continues. That's why it seems like you're offended.

 

I also love how you're in a loop about "getting this thread back on topic, why make it tougher for mods?" but keep replying in ways to derail it further and encourage to derail the thread in the same breath. Irony. And the fact that you always question the genuine nature of anyone who opposes you is laughable. Yes, Gromnir, get some sleep... all that lack of sleep has costed you.

 

Time to get over it and move on.

Edited September 8, 2017 by SonicMage117

[Gfted1]

Video Game developers reveal their games’ secrets.

[Gromnir]

couldn't let it die, eh? well, we see, you understand us well enough to respond multiple times, without much difficulty in discerning our meaning. so am calling your bluff on the aforementioned complaint. again, we has seen the misunderstanding ploy so many times it is genuine sad at this point.  typical we not even need respond before some other longtime poster on these/other boards chimes in and predicts ensuing inevitabilities.

 

*yawn*

 

and yes, one can observe how perfect you captured the hulk/Gromnir parallel with,

 

"Lastlt, sorry, I did nut mean to offend Gromnir. Gromnir sad. Gromnir have cookie. GROMNIR GETTING ANGRY!!!"

 

not even one "Gromnir smash"?  no, "don't make Gromnir angry. you wouldn't like us when we are angry"?

 

 

classic stuff. 

 

maybe espanol hulk has no catchphrases, but am doubting, "hulk have a cookie" is one 'o them, eh... unless hulk filled in for the cookie monster on sesame street?  is possible. 

 

"also love how you're in a loop about "getting this thread back on topic, why make it tougher for mods?" but keep replying in ways to derail it further and encourage to derail the thread in the same breath. Irony. And the fact that you always question the genuine nature of anyone who opposes you is laughable. Yes, Gromnir, get some sleep... all that lack of sleep has costed you."

 

see, now you finally are understanding hypocrisy, though one suspects you ain't turned the mirror on yourself.  if you honest think we could single-handed derail a thread, you are being naive.  can review thread if you wish, but Gromnir made a general observation, in agreement with others, 'bout the state o' a thread on this board.  no individuals criticized.  so how did we get here, in the computer and console section o' the board with you chasing your tail and our happy encouragement o' the antics?  in any event, successful education is a wonderful thing. you are inching towards understanding o' hypocrisy. you are making progress.  good for you.

 

btw, belle sorciere did actual move the dumpster fire subject matter to the relevant thread.

 

this sm experience (bad pun) hasn't been least bit novel. am done with sm, so knock yourself out with anticipated and predictable reply.  

 

as an aside, am wondering how the recent hurricane in texas affected game developers.  houston has, in recent years, aquired a considerable developer footprint.  most such game developers don't pop up on our radar, but sudden having numerous titles delayed (at the very least) can have widespread impact on the industry as a whole. example: publishers sudden need fill the void left by anticipated houston releases by rushing other complete unrelated titles so as to keep quarterly report from looking anemic. 

 

HA! Good Fun!

[Mamoulian War]

*sighs*

[the_dog_days]

Video Game developers reveal their games’ secrets.

I suspected the health thing in Assassin's Creed. Way too many times I've been down to my last health bar and the fight dragged on despite me taking more damage than I should been able to survive.

[Belle Sorciere]

 

Part #2 is that I am not really moved much by centrist arguments to see both sides of an argument when one side of that argument involves the insistent dehumanization of and possible calls of violence against people because of their race, gender, orientation, etc.

 

Shorter version: I don't see any room for common ground with Nazis.

 

That's definitely on the more extreme (and non-negotiable) end of the issue, if that's the case.

 

 

To be fair, I had thought his comments were more extreme than they actually are (which are fairly extreme as it is) so I'll retract the Nazi comment. I'm not saying I am convinced he's not a Nazi, just that it is harder to make that argument knowing what he actually said vs. what was reported.

[Amentep]

maybe espanol hulk has no catchphrases, but am doubting, "hulk have a cookie" is one 'o them, eh... unless hulk filled in for the cookie monster on sesame street?  is possible. 

 

Hulk is a fruit pie kind of guy.

 

 

Video Game developers reveal their games’ secrets.

 

Kind of reminds me of Tim Cain's comments on odds / statsitical chance vs 'feel' that were discussed in another thread somewhere.

[Rosbjerg]

south park the fractured but whole is harder if you play as a black or transgender character

 

You know it's good satire, when people misunderstand what it's criticizing and only prove their point.

[Gromnir]

 

maybe espanol hulk has no catchphrases, but am doubting, "hulk have a cookie" is one 'o them, eh... unless hulk filled in for the cookie monster on sesame street?  is possible. 

 

Hulk is a fruit pie kind of guy.

 

​image

 

 

 

see, now that works. gonna choose a seeming random snack item to illustrate hulk parallel?  hostess pies and amentep is clear win.

 

wash down with a coke?

 

 

the recent pistachios campaign seems like it woulda' been an obvious hulk vehicle, but perhaps the nut guys couldn't afford a marvel price tag. missed opportunity.

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

ps post posting removal o' hulk image to avoid unnecessary clutter

Edited September 8, 2017 by Gromnir

[Hurlshort]

 

south park the fractured but whole is harder if you play as a black or transgender character

 

You know it's good satire, when people misunderstand what it's criticizing and only prove their point.

 

 

I was about to explain it to them, but I like your tactic better.  

[Gfted1]

Dear gods....how did they manage to work in the "other" gender choice without the game imploding? We need to get the PoE forum on this immediately!

[Gfted1]

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

Malaysia blocks Steam over 2D brawler that lets you beat up Jesus.

 

Smh.

[redneckdevil]

 

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

Malaysia blocks Steam over 2D brawler that lets you beat up Jesus.

 

Smh.

 

That trailer is to damn funny, so bad its funny.  i am disappointed though, that does sound like a great premise for a 2d fighting game.  just definitely not.....that

[redneckdevil]

south park the fractured but whole is harder if you play as a black or transgender character

 

damn, the more i see and hear of this game, the more i want it.  i think it gonna be up to standards with Stick of Truth

[Keyrock]

[SonicMage117]

Umm... so how is this bad voice acting?

 

 

You should all be impressed...

 

11 minutes of Secret Of Mana Remake.

Edited September 10, 2017 by SonicMage117