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Ydwin to return in the expansion?


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Maybe you could expound a bit more on her alleged bisexuality? Shocking rumours of course and hardly of any interest to me.. I'm asking for a friend.

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There was that girl in her cipher class. She was more into philosophy and arts than animancy but she seemed to understand her in a way. They used to go to Mowrgroks Pizza Place after school and talked about lots of things. Like soulmates. Soon Ydwen noticed that something was going on, something more than just friendship. So one day, after they were doing something awesome together that strengthened their bond, she tried to kiss her. But that girl didn't react as expected. She just wanted to be best friends, but that event destroyed everything. So Ydwin once more had alienated a person that was really important in her life.

Later the girl died.


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Maybe you could expound a bit more on her alleged bisexuality? Shocking rumours of course and hardly of any interest to me.. I'm asking for a friend.

:')

 

There was that girl in her cipher class. She was more into philosophy and arts than animancy but she seemed to understand her in a way. They used to go to Morgroks Pizza Place after school and talked about lots of things. Like soulmates. Soon Ydwen noticed that something was going on, something more than just friendship. So one day, after they were doing something awesome together that strengthened their bond, she tried to kiss her. But that girl didn't react as expected. She just wanted to be best friends, but that event destroyed everything. So Ydwin once more had alienated a person that was really important in her life.

Later the girl died.

 

But not before she killed her dog, who Ydwin also loved.


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But not before she killed her dog, who Ydwin also loved.

 

Of course.


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I've never understood the hate for that character from some, it seems completely based on imagined ideas of what the character would be based on her look alone.

What about that description (Someone was kind enough to post it in another thread)?

 

 

A strange pale elf cipher from "a lot of different places". Fascinated by animancy, Ydwin spends her free time examining fresh and not-so-fresh corpses.  Though she has a charming and pleasant demeanor, new acquaintances are often shocked at her intimate familiarity with death and her dispassionate affect in the face of even the most grisly scenes.

Does not sound that much like a "scientist". More of an identification figure for gothic nerd girls. "Noone seems to understand, but death is sooo fascinating." The problem here is not that she fits into one stereotype. The character described and pictured there is a monster sewed together from the countless corpses of different stereotypes.
Maybe I can add something to help the writers fleshing out the character: She really likes chocolate, get's very nervous when cute boys are around and has an unhealthy taste for bad guys. As a child she didn't want to play with dolls. Instead she removed their body parts and sewed them together in another order. That alienated the other children, so she hadn't much social contact. Her parents didn't understand her and wanted her to become a lady. Study somthing harmless, find a man and marry him. They brought her to an animancer who should cure her soul, but he didn't find anything unusual. Still her parents were trying to force her. So she ran away oftentimes. Her mother learned to accept how her daughter was, but her father never did, so she had no good relationship with him. Then her father died and she never had the opportunity to get things right with him. Later she found out, that she was bisexual... Shall I continue? I can do this for hours. I would love to tell you the episode where she couldn't save her cat from dying.

 

You sure gleaned a lot from three sentences. Feels a little like there is some projection going on. Trying to bind souls to prevent death is one big part of the study of animancy, so of course some who study animancy will be preoccupied with this aspect. The allure of learning what lies beyond the grave, how to communicate with souls after death, or even prevent death itself would be hard to ignore for some animancers.

 

She's a people person who is "pleasant and charming" so a lot of your suppositions are contradicted directly.

 

You try and paint a picture of an alienated and socially awkward person but that is directly contradicted by the very description you quoted. Frankly a lot of this sounds like politically motivated nonsense perhaps relating to a certain two letter abbreviated movement. I expect next I'll be told that she wears low cut tops and streams her image over magic mirrors through the Twitchyverse and how horrible that is.


Edited by Mygaffer, 19 September 2017 - 11:16 AM.

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Yeah, that is way too much of reading. My own personal take on it was that Ydwin was a straight up psychopath, putting on a friendly demeanor, all the while doing Johann Conrad Dippel experiments.


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Yeah, that is way too much of reading. My own personal take on it was that Ydwin was a straight up psychopath, putting on a friendly demeanor, all the while doing Johann Conrad Dippel experiments.

It's almost like Ydwin is a mirror that reflects the fears of the person who sees her.


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Today I learned I am afraid of 17th century alchemists


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Today I learned I am afraid of 17th century alchemists

I'd never heard of Dippel before, very interesting figure.


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Yeah, the whole field of associated figures is absolutely intriguing. The study of thaumaturgy and hermetics were what I had hoped the conflict over animancy would have been. Given that so much of medieval alchemy is focused on the idea of workings of the soul, with the end result of being either ascension or knowledge through the magnum opus. Given that in Pillars souls are actually real, the debate over animancer is much more legitimate. For example, can animancers actually handle the results of the Sephirothic? Or what about the destruction and manipulation of souls, which John Dee viewed as the ultimate punishment.  Adding the fact that Gods are real, and are coalesced from souls of Engwithans, then that would mean Geber's ideas of holy reunification are accurate. It could have been so cool, but what we got instead was a "Oooh, science bad" thing. Disappointing


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Yeah, the whole field of associated figures is absolutely intriguing. The study of thaumaturgy and hermetics were what I had hoped the conflict over animancy would have been. Given that so much of medieval alchemy is focused on the idea of workings of the soul, with the end result of being either ascension or knowledge through the magnum opus. Given that in Pillars souls are actually real, the debate over animancer is much more legitimate. For example, can animancers actually handle the results of the Sephirothic? Or what about the destruction and manipulation of souls, which John Dee viewed as the ultimate punishment.  Adding the fact that SPOILERS then that would mean Geber's ideas of holy reunification are accurate. It could have been so cool, but what we got instead was a "Oooh, science bad" thing. Disappointing

One small thing, you should probably add a spoiler tag or just get rid of that spoiler.



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Frankly a lot of this sounds like politically motivated nonsense perhaps relating to a certain two letter abbreviated movement.

 

Wow. You noticed that the nonsense I wrote is nonsense. Gratulations! But how is it politically motivated? I never knew that I was politically motivated. Or even motivated at all.

 

 

She's a people person who is "pleasant and charming" so a lot of your suppositions are contradicted directly.

 

I improvised. Just fill in some other bla bla that makes her a nicer person. Or shall I try again?


Edited by Lord_Mord, Today, 12:25 AM.


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It could have been so cool, but what we got instead was a "Oooh, science bad" thing. Disappointing

 

That is exactly what I am talking about. There is so much room for exploring and almost everything we explored was the personal problems of some normal life people translated into fantasy language. I mean Aloth was fun, but his story didn't even really had to do with animancy. It just served as a trojan horse for troubled teenager stuff. And what was that Sagani-Thing? I guess next time the companion quests will be hunts for cooking recipes.

Durance on the other hand at least reflected the world he lived in even if his "quest" was kind of pointless. And guess what: Most people hated him. Why? Because they give a **** about history, philosophy, metaphors about human life, metaphysics or thinking in general. They just want media to be a mirror, reflecting the dull space full of pointless self-centered half-thoughts inside of their skulls.






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