Politics 2017 Part 3

[Guard Dog]

 

I'm not arguing Val's points. He can do that himself. I just said because things are better now in many ways than they used to be does not mean they are not getting worse right now. Grom undercut Val's argument on the details. I'm just pointing out that despite being factually incorrect as far as dates and history go there is still a valid point here. The needle on the authoritarian vs liberty meter is on the wrong side of the median.

GD what would you say are worse nowadays or what do you think is getting worse? 

 

Bruce this deserves a longer response that I have time for. Have to go to work and I'm a little hung over.

[Wrath of Dagon]

How is CIS white supremacist? CAIR was an unindicted co-conspirator in a major terrorism financing case. But we went over all that before.

[Gromnir]

 

 

I think you and I were having two different conversations. You are pointing at the past and trying to tell me how much better things are now. I'm pointing at now and trying to tell you how much worse they are than they should be.

if you don't like the now, then change it.  is only bad 'cause we let it be bad.  patriot act were voted overwhelming bipartisan.  the ordinance preventing your little girl lemonade stand?  weren't a demagogue who implemented.  is nothing preventing you from getting changed. you are part of heavy handed government, so fix it.

 

and yeah, val's argument sucked.  we got far more functional freedom today than 100 or even 50 years ago.  has government become too protective and invasive in specific situations?  sure it has, and we rail 'gainst such, but use patently wrong and utter ridiculous appeals to the past is not gonna help. just realize it is the saame democracy we spoke o' earlier which makes it possible for government to do stoopid stuff such as patriot acts and little girl lemonade stand prohibitions.  such democracy is also available to you if you wanna change.  

 

fix the problems.  we made the problems.  now fix.

 

HA! Good Fun!

[Hurlshort]

How is CIS white supremacist? CAIR was an unindicted co-conspirator in a major terrorism financing case. But we went over all that before.

 

Do some research on CIS.

[Hurlshort]

 

and yeah, val's argument sucked.  we got far more functional freedom today than 100 or even 50 years ago.

 

 

Whoa whoa, I've seen a lot of Westerns, and you could totally get away with a lot of cool stuff back then. Isn't that why Westworld was so popular?

 

In a bit more serious vein, I was researching my great grandfather recently for a little project, and in the 1935 census he had taken on two borders. They were both teachers, and they didn't have to pay taxes! I was jealous. But then it said they made $496 that year, so it was a bit of a wash.

[Gfted1]

Not too shabby. That equals $8,644.81 today.

[Elerond]

 

 

and yeah, val's argument sucked.  we got far more functional freedom today than 100 or even 50 years ago.

 

 

Whoa whoa, I've seen a lot of Westerns, and you could totally get away with a lot of cool stuff back then. Isn't that why Westworld was so popular?

 

In a bit more serious vein, I was researching my great grandfather recently for a little project, and in the 1935 census he had taken on two borders. They were both teachers, and they didn't have to pay taxes! I was jealous. But then it said they made $496 that year, so it was a bit of a wash.

 

 

Hey, that is about $9000 in today's money

 

EDIT: Ninjaded by Gfted1

Edited February 23, 2017 by Elerond

[Wrath of Dagon]

 

How is CIS white supremacist? CAIR was an unindicted co-conspirator in a major terrorism financing case. But we went over all that before.

 

Do some research on CIS.

 

Well, I'll grant you there's some smoke there, but it's also disputed: https://infogalactic.com/info/Center_for_Immigration_Studies

 

Speaking of CAIR: http://www.breitbart.com/jerusalem/2017/02/23/klein-new-york-times-full-panic-mode-reports-trump-may-designate-muslim-brotherhood-terrorist-organization/

[Gromnir]

 

 

and yeah, val's argument sucked.  we got far more functional freedom today than 100 or even 50 years ago.

 

 

Whoa whoa, I've seen a lot of Westerns, and you could totally get away with a lot of cool stuff back then. Isn't that why Westworld was so popular?

 

In a bit more serious vein, I was researching my great grandfather recently for a little project, and in the 1935 census he had taken on two borders. They were both teachers, and they didn't have to pay taxes! I was jealous. But then it said they made $496 that year, so it was a bit of a wash.

 

on the serious side, places such as deadwood and tombstone were not at all like the movies.  were much safer than depicted.  why? local gun ordinances were far more restrictive than anything we would see today in the US.  charlton heston would rise from his grave in the throes o' apoplectic fit if chicago imposed gun ordinances similar to what were passed by tombstone in the late 1800s. imagine being stopped at chicago city limits, searched and relieved o' any and all firearms.

 

...

 

 

if modern chicago successful implemented such a restrictive gun ordinance, am suspecting gd would suffer a similar fit as chaz.

 

HA! Good Fun!

[HoonDing]

Tell you hwat: 100 years ago there were no muslim rape squads overtaking our cities.

[Wrath of Dagon]

True that: http://heatst.com/life/teacher-28-gang-raped-by-9-iraqi-immigrants-in-vienna-attack/

[Malcador]

Cutting into the domestic rape industry. Bastards.

[Elerond]

Tell you hwat: 100 years ago there were no muslim rape squads overtaking our cities.

 

Tell that to Armenians

 

Also some brave soldier was ready to fight against them in Kansas but wasn't able to tell difference between people with Indian origin from people with Middle Eastern origin.

 

"At least one witness reportedly heard the suspect yell “get out of my country” shortly before shooting men he thought were Middle Eastern. Both men, engineers at Garmin, appear to be originally from India."

http://www.kansascity.com/news/local/crime/article134459444.html

 

https://apnews.com/3a570dfdf2254db697fabc0e120bdbb1/Witnesses:-Shooting-at-Kansas-bar-may-have-racial-overtones?utm_campaign=SocialFlow&utm_source=Twitter&utm_medium=AP

[Chilloutman]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/767521/pakistani-immigrant-sex-abuse-rape-girl-Germany-suspended-jail-sentence

 

so rapist got 22 months of jail for rape! And police shot father of 6 year old victim because he was trying to protect his child with knife

 

new level of German justice

[Blarghagh]

Time for the Punisher, isn't it? One batch, two batch.

[Nonek]

Perhaps this is a matter best left to the legal system? Even if we all secretly believe that lawyers are lifeforms slightly below navel fluff (and the comparisons to sharks are unduly demeaning to those noble animals) sometimes they really do get results:

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FN_8TVvFmFs

[Lexx]

Yes, 22 months is rather low, but the police did have to protect themself and that guy. If you allow mob justice and vigilantism, you might as well just end our society right here. It's tragic the father died, but that's a different issue.

Edited February 24, 2017 by Lexx

[Chilloutman]

Yes, 22 months is rather low, but the police did have to protect themself and that guy. If you allow mob justice and vigilantism, you might as well just end our society right here. It's tragic the father died, but that's a different issue.

 

he was not attacking police but someone who was raping his daughter, I am pretty sure it could been handled differently.... and these 22 months are conditioned so he is not even going into jail and he is not deported. There is just walking on streets in Germany guy who raped 6 year old girl. Am I only one who thinks this is ridiculous?

[Lexx]

It is, and I am not defending that. But the police killing the father is a different issue entirely. The news is making it sound as if the father was killed on purpose, in connection with the rapist being happily freed.

 

/edit: And still, the attack in itself was wrong. Not because the police would kill him, but because this is vigilantism. We simply can't allow this to happen.

Edited February 24, 2017 by Lexx

[Elerond]

Both the victims and attacker were asylum seekers and therefore need to be get rid off. Isn't that what people here have been campaign for? Better let them to die than let any harm to come for actual Germans (or in case of some other European country, that country's citizens)

 

22 months is about average that you get for rape in Finland. 40% of rapists get conditioned sentence because extenuating circumstances and therefore get lower than average sentences (although immigrants nearly always get higher than average sentences). Low sentences are because of democracy and general attitude towards rape as crime. 

[Chilloutman]

Both the victims and attacker were asylum seekers and therefore need to be get rid off. Isn't that what people here have been campaign for? Better let them to die than let any harm to come for actual Germans (or in case of some other European country, that country's citizens)

 

22 months is about average that you get for rape in Finland. 40% of rapists get conditioned sentence because extenuating circumstances and therefore get lower than average sentences (although immigrants nearly always get higher than average sentences). Low sentences are because of democracy and general attitude towards rape as crime. 

 

That's sick, and no, I am against killing no matter who the person is. You are mixing deportation with lynching. And I am not against immigrants, I am against illegal immigrants and so called refugees. But I know its hard to distinguished for some people who thinks that anyone against immigration is actually nazi

[Elerond]

 

Both the victims and attacker were asylum seekers and therefore need to be get rid off. Isn't that what people here have been campaign for? Better let them to die than let any harm to come for actual Germans (or in case of some other European country, that country's citizens)

 

22 months is about average that you get for rape in Finland. 40% of rapists get conditioned sentence because extenuating circumstances and therefore get lower than average sentences (although immigrants nearly always get higher than average sentences). Low sentences are because of democracy and general attitude towards rape as crime. 

 

That's sick, and no, I am against killing no matter who the person is. You are mixing deportation with lynching. And I am not against immigrants, I am against illegal immigrants and so called refugees. But I know its hard to distinguished for some people who thinks that anyone against immigration is actually nazi

 

But it is rephrasing what you said

 

"Well its your view. I for one would vouch for 40K people from Africa to go back with posibility to die than let anyone from my circle get raped. And I am not ashamed of it."

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/91622-politics-2017-part-3/page-17?do=findComment&comment=1889867

 

 

This were those people that you call "illegal immigrants and so called refugees"

Edited February 24, 2017 by Elerond

[Chilloutman]

 

 

Both the victims and attacker were asylum seekers and therefore need to be get rid off. Isn't that what people here have been campaign for? Better let them to die than let any harm to come for actual Germans (or in case of some other European country, that country's citizens)

 

22 months is about average that you get for rape in Finland. 40% of rapists get conditioned sentence because extenuating circumstances and therefore get lower than average sentences (although immigrants nearly always get higher than average sentences). Low sentences are because of democracy and general attitude towards rape as crime. 

 

That's sick, and no, I am against killing no matter who the person is. You are mixing deportation with lynching. And I am not against immigrants, I am against illegal immigrants and so called refugees. But I know its hard to distinguished for some people who thinks that anyone against immigration is actually nazi

 

But it is rephrasing what you said

 

"Well its your view. I for one would vouch for 40K people from Africa to go back with posibility to die than let anyone from my circle get raped. And I am not ashamed of it."

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/91622-politics-2017-part-3/page-17?do=findComment&comment=1889867

 

 

And where is the contradiction?

[Elerond]

 

 

 

Both the victims and attacker were asylum seekers and therefore need to be get rid off. Isn't that what people here have been campaign for? Better let them to die than let any harm to come for actual Germans (or in case of some other European country, that country's citizens)

 

22 months is about average that you get for rape in Finland. 40% of rapists get conditioned sentence because extenuating circumstances and therefore get lower than average sentences (although immigrants nearly always get higher than average sentences). Low sentences are because of democracy and general attitude towards rape as crime. 

 

That's sick, and no, I am against killing no matter who the person is. You are mixing deportation with lynching. And I am not against immigrants, I am against illegal immigrants and so called refugees. But I know its hard to distinguished for some people who thinks that anyone against immigration is actually nazi

 

But it is rephrasing what you said

 

"Well its your view. I for one would vouch for 40K people from Africa to go back with posibility to die than let anyone from my circle get raped. And I am not ashamed of it."

 

http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/91622-politics-2017-part-3/page-17?do=findComment&comment=1889867

 

 

And where is the contradiction?

 

 

Yeah that is the question that I am asking

[Malcador]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/767521/pakistani-immigrant-sex-abuse-rape-girl-Germany-suspended-jail-sentence

 

so rapist got 22 months of jail for rape! And police shot father of 6 year old victim because he was trying to protect his child with knife

 

new level of German justice

Tasty outrage.