Politics 2017 Part 3

[Meshugger]

lol, the swedes on the board are so swedish that it hurts. There's no swedish people, no swedish culture and blondes will diminish, but not because sweden is becoming less swedish. 

[BruceVC]

lol, the swedes on the board are so swedish that it hurts. There's no swedish people, no swedish culture and blondes will diminish, but not because sweden is becoming less swedish. 

I do understand your concern for the cultural future of your country, I share some of your anxiety. This is why i want to see how things develop in Sweden

 

I believe the Swedish " culture " will still survive in  a slightly modified way  

[Elerond]

lol, the swedes on the board are so swedish that it hurts. There's no swedish people, no swedish culture and blondes will diminish, but not because sweden is becoming less swedish. 

 

It is over 1000 years long tradition to import new people in Sweden, meaning that is their culture. They import people and ideas from other cultures and then say that they are theirs. They have done it from dawn of the time

[Azdeus]

Sometimes against their will even.

 

Or don't you agree Finns? =P

Edited February 17, 2017 by Azdeus

[Meshugger]

Haha, like a clock. Thanks everyone!

[Wrath of Dagon]

Pruitt confirmed to head EPA, environmentalists throw themselves into windmills.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

Some Swedish women are smokin' hot brunettes wearing hijab.

Yeah, but dark haired women are a dime a dozen. I wonder what genetic mix produces a platinum blonde?

 

 

[Elerond]

"The news is fake because so much of the news is fake" - D. J. Trump 

 

Also "Leaks real, the news is fake" - D. J. Trump

Edited February 17, 2017 by Elerond

[Malcador]

Pruitt confirmed to head EPA, environmentalists throw themselves into windmills.

Well he is a disappointing pick for them. Will have to look up what kind of questions he was asked, might be amusing.

[ShadySands]

Meanwhile at the EPA

[Hurlshort]

I listened to this podcast on the way to work. I find myself agreeing with most of what he is saying. 

 

http://www.dancarlin.com/common-sense-home-landing-page/

[Leferd]

I listened to this podcast on the way to work. I find myself agreeing with most of what he is saying.

 

http://www.dancarlin.com/common-sense-home-landing-page/

Is it hardcore common sense though?

[Hurlshort]

 

I listened to this podcast on the way to work. I find myself agreeing with most of what he is saying.

 

http://www.dancarlin.com/common-sense-home-landing-page/

Is it hardcore common sense though?

 

 

I haven't listened to the Hardcore History podcast yet, so I feel unequipped to answer the question.  

[Agiel]

[Agiel]

Trump yells at CIA director over reports intel officials are keeping info from him

 

 

 

On Wednesday, the Wall Street Journal had reported that U.S. intelligence officials have kept information from Mr. Trump because they feared it could be leaked or compromised.

 

Seems to fall in line with a theory I developed that Trump's inexperience with national security and intelligence matters could lead to severe missteps in these fields. Another example was when Reagan played the tape of that Su-15 pilot's communications with his GCI's when he shot down KAL 007, to which the NSA expressed some consternation with the president since it revealed to the Soviet PVO the extent their communications were compromised.

Edited February 18, 2017 by Agiel

[BruceVC]

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/320140-mccain-growing-inability-to-split-truth-lies

 

Guys I think this offers some good perspectives 

[Drowsy Emperor]

Swedes are notorious for dismissing any opposing voices. Just a week ago a policeman that is about to retire raised a national ruckus on Facebook by saying that almost every crime he worked on was done by someone from a muslim country. If it was just a meaningless rant the whole country wouldn't have jumped on the statement like it was a godsend (or a crime worthy of capital punishment). He got a truckload of flowers merely for daring to speak out.

 

The basic narrative is always the same: there are some problems, but its all good. To imply otherwise is to be a racist. Meanwhile 30+ no go zones, Malmo etc. 

 

Edited February 18, 2017 by Drowsy Emperor

[Maedhros]

I read volume 2 of My Struggle by Knausgård recently (A Norwegian author who lived in Sweden and wrote about it), and he says pretty much the same. He calls Swedes "cyclops" - and that they can't handle ambiguity and that some people see things differently.

 

Edit: Just to be clear, not saying I necessarily agree

Edited February 18, 2017 by Thingolfin

[Azdeus]

I really don't know if you're being serious or not, but there are no such things as no-go zones in Sweden.

[Drowsy Emperor]

I really don't know if you're being serious or not, but there are no such things as no-go zones in Sweden.

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/641223/Swedish-police-being-ATTACKED-as-they-struggle-in-NO-GO-ZONES-as-migrant-crime-rockets

 

It really depends on how you define them. But if it was a known quantity (that immigrant neighbourhoods are rife with crime) before the current immigrant crisis, its a damning indictment of those who proceeded with the pro-immigration policy and thereby added to the problem.

[Azdeus]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/641223/Swedish-police-being-ATTACKED-as-they-struggle-in-NO-GO-ZONES-as-migrant-crime-rockets

 

It really depends on how you define them. But if it was a known quantity (that immigrant neighbourhoods are rife with crime) before the current immigrant crisis, its a damning indictment of those who proceeded with the pro-immigration policy and thereby added to the problem.

Yes, we put too many immigrants in the same neighbourhoods, that we do. Because people in the richer areas whinge to much about their houseprices dropping if there would be immigrants nearby. I **** you not.

 

And yes, we do need more police officers, but that has been the case for many years.

 

Really interesting garbage article though, citing secret police reports and not linking to any sources. (Too be fair, there could've been but that page crashed 3 different scripts and locked up my browser and forced me to rewrite this)

We do have 50-ish different areas in Sweden with higher crimerates than average though, that much is true, but they're not nogo zones.

 

Does it happen that people throw stones at copcars? Yes. Is it common? No.

 

And I can't for the life of me figure out why they linked to the murders in Trollhättan wich was commited by a white supremacist.

[Drowsy Emperor]

 

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/641223/Swedish-police-being-ATTACKED-as-they-struggle-in-NO-GO-ZONES-as-migrant-crime-rockets

 

It really depends on how you define them. But if it was a known quantity (that immigrant neighbourhoods are rife with crime) before the current immigrant crisis, its a damning indictment of those who proceeded with the pro-immigration policy and thereby added to the problem.

Yes, we put too many immigrants in the same neighbourhoods, that we do. Because people in the richer areas whinge to much about their houseprices dropping if there would be immigrants nearby. I **** you not.

 

And yes, we do need more police officers, but that has been the case for many years.

 

Really interesting garbage article though, citing secret police reports and not linking to any sources. (Too be fair, there could've been but that page crashed 3 different scripts and locked up my browser and forced me to rewrite this)

We do have 50-ish different areas in Sweden with higher crimerates than average though, that much is true, but they're not nogo zones.

 

Does it happen that people throw stones at copcars? Yes. Is it common? No.

 

And I can't for the life of me figure out why they linked to the murders in Trollhättan wich was commited by a white supremacist.

 

 

That British tabloids are garbage is no news, but that is besides the point. The point is that the government cannot afford to link muslim immigration to criminality because that would imply a failure of its policy. They go to extreme lengths to hide it - you may remember the suppressed reporting scandal post massive sexual harrassment at a concert. When the reporter was told it was all Afghanis or other muslim immigrants they simply ignored the information. Then it blew up in their face when the coverup was discovered.

 

There is a pattern of denial that I find astonishing, because, fundamentally - there is no reason for Sweden to engage in any of this. Immense wealth, some population problems that should be worked on but otherwise a beautiful, stable, well-organized country.  Clearly the right policies are:

a) engage in tight border and immigration control and cherry pick migrants according to specific needs a la Australia

b) maintain what you have as long as possible by avoiding needless waste (aka social experiments)

c) fix depopulation problem so as to remove need for immigration by monetary stimulus and work on changing societal perceptions of marriage/relationships to perpetuate your own nation

 

I find these so self explanatory in Sweden's position that I don't even need to justify them. 

 

Yet the ruling class has taken it upon itself to re-engineer it to fit an ideological project of "progressive humanism", progressively taking an axe to what has taken several generations to build. 

 

I think its fascinating. To me its like science fiction, unexplainable - behavior so contrary to human nature and self-destructive that it might as well be done by alien invaders.

Edited February 18, 2017 by Drowsy Emperor

[Elerond]

At least Russia's foreign minister Lavrov tells how we are starting time after West and people should to prepare to new world order.

[Azdeus]

That British tabloids are garbage is no news, but that is besides the point. The point is that the government cannot afford to link muslim immigration to criminality because that would imply a failure of its policy. They go to extreme lengths to hide it - you may remember the suppressed reporting scandal post massive sexual harrassment at a concert. When the reporter was told it was all Afghanis or other muslim immigrants they simply ignored the information. Then it blew up in their face when the coverup was discovered.

 

There is a pattern of denial that I find astonishing, because, fundamentally - there is no reason for Sweden to engage in any of this. Immense wealth, some population problems that should be worked on but otherwise a beautiful, stable, well-organized country.  Clearly the right policies are:

a) engage in tight border and immigration control and cherry pick migrants according to specific needs a la Australia

b) maintain what you have as long as possible by avoiding needless waste (aka social experiments)

c) fix depopulation problem so as to remove need for immigration by monetary stimulus and work on changing societal perceptions of marriage/relationships to perpetuate your own nation

 

I find these so self explanatory in Sweden's position that I don't even need to justify them. 

 

Yet the ruling class has taken it upon itself to re-engineer it to fit an ideological project of "progressive humanism", progressively taking an axe to what has taken several generations to build. 

 

I think its fascinating. To me its like science fiction, unexplainable - behavior so contrary to human nature and self-destructive that it might as well be done by alien invaders.

The police tried to hide that, shameful, but that wasn't done by the government.

 

A) No, that would heinous acts against humanity. Their needs should be determined on their own grounds not what we need.

B) Yeah, we do waste some money on "social experiments" as you call it, and some of them are wastes such as that camelpark and horse and goatmilk project.

C) ****. No. The fact that we have low childbirth rates is a sign of our wealth and our equality, in your view we should encourage women to be breeding stock wich is as ass backwards as it gets.

 

It's taken us decades of hard work to get to where we are now, they're a result of our hard work with labour and equality that we have done. What you are suggesting is that we take that proverbial axe towards everything we've worked for.

[Volourn]

"The police tried to hide that, shameful, but that wasn't done by the government."

 

The police *is* the government.