Politics 2017

[Keyrock]

[Malcador]

I forget what the appeal of her is. Wonder what she'll do in the administration, maybe keep her dad on a leash?

[Volourn]

"dinner at the White House, he repeated his claim that millions of undocumented immigrants voted for Hillary Clinton -- allegedly depriving him of the popular vote.

"I wasn't there, but if the President of the United States is claiming that 3.5 million people voted illegally, that shakes confidence in our democracy —"

 

 

 

L0L Is that for real? Meanwhile the anti Trumpers are whining about how a foreign country hacked the election.. doesn't THAT shake confidence in your democracy? COME ON.

[Ben No.3]

 

"dinner at the White House, he repeated his claim that millions of undocumented immigrants voted for Hillary Clinton -- allegedly depriving him of the popular vote.

 

 

 

"I wasn't there, but if the President of the United States is claiming that 3.5 million people voted illegally, that shakes confidence in our democracy —"

 

 

 

L0L Is that for real? Meanwhile the anti Trumpers are whining about how a foreign country hacked the election.. doesn't THAT shake confidence in your democracy? COME ON.

 

Rememer that for the left the rules apply only to you never to them.

Obviously!!! You better get your guns out-me and my fellow leftist fascist fanatics are teaming up with North Korea so we can finally invade the US, after our strategy of killing the American dream through cultural Marxism failed.

[Gfted1]

Neither of the people you are replying to live in the US. r00fles!

[Ben No.3]

Neither of the people you are replying to live in the US. r00fles!

In my defence... I am on my phone

[Gfted1]

The very phone that was built in a Chinese sweatshop? For shame, for shame.

 

Just kidding. You're young and idealistic and that's a good thing.

[Ben No.3]

The very phone that was built in a Chinese sweatshop? For shame, for shame.

 

Just kidding. You're young and idealistic and that's a good thing.

Well thank you good sir. And the phone is second hand.

 

Besides, look at Engels and tell me that only workers can be socialists

Edited January 25, 2017 by Ben No.3

[BruceVC]

 

The very phone that was built in a Chinese sweatshop? For shame, for shame.

 

Just kidding. You're young and idealistic and that's a good thing.

Well thank you good sir. And the phone is second hand.

 

Besides, look at Engels and tell me that only workers can be socialists

 

Bennie everyone wants you to join there side, young people are the ideological political and social  future of all these different movements and views we have around systems of government 

 

I want you to join me, I recognize and support the ONLY system that has guaranteed the happiest and overall wealthiest countries in the world in the last 500 years . Bennie I represent a world of progress and economic sustainability. Join me....join the world of Responsible Capitalism....it offers real advantages to uplift people

 

Marx was an idealist, human beings are not equal and we should not be seen as equal as we define our own destinies and some people for a variety of reasons will achieve more than others. One of the best ways to motivate people is to incentivise them 

 

Read this on Responsible Capitalism

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanrefoy/2014/09/25/delivering-responsible-capitalism-the-growth-of-employee-ownership/#302359113653

[Ben No.3]

 

 

The very phone that was built in a Chinese sweatshop? For shame, for shame.

 

Just kidding. You're young and idealistic and that's a good thing.

Well thank you good sir. And the phone is second hand.

 

Besides, look at Engels and tell me that only workers can be socialists

Bennie everyone wants you to join there side, young people are the ideological political and social future of all these different movements and views we have around systems of government

 

I want you to join me, I recognize and support the ONLY system that has guaranteed the happiest and overall wealthiest countries in the world in the last 500 years . Bennie I represent a world of progress and economic sustainability. Join me....join the world of Responsible Capitalism....it offers real advantages to uplift people

 

Marx was an idealist, human beings are not equal and we should not be seen as equal as we define our own destinies and some people for a variety of reasons will achieve more than others. One of the best ways to motivate people is to incentivise them

 

Read this on Responsible Capitalism

 

http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanrefoy/2014/09/25/delivering-responsible-capitalism-the-growth-of-employee-ownership/#302359113653

Look, capitalism isn't all bad. But it has so many ugly sides. History shows that pure state run economies don't work. Okay, I'll take socialism, heavily democracise it, put in capitalist elements to put up for its flaws. Here some things I stand for:

 

-All life ensuring businesses are to be owned and run by the government, or the government participates in the market. Those are: Housing, basic food, education, water, electricity, internet, land, arms and all forms of physical force, mobile networks, public transport. All income generated will be used to government expenses

 

-All citizens receive an unconditional basic income that ensures an acceptable standard of living for everyone

 

-ADDED II: Oh, and a secular society: no religious teaching, symbolism or clothing outside of institutions build for said purpose

 

-Income and wealth are under a heavy progressive tax

 

-Capital, which includes but is not limited to companies, shares, land and private wealth can not be inherited and will be used to government expenses

 

-ADDED: all means of transportation within a city should be run as a shareconomy. Nobody owns a car, but everyone can hop into any car, and so on.

-Government should erect a basic bank that should ONLY store wealth and give loans to private persons and should not proceed towards investment banking (???... probably this wouldn't work)

 

-The goal of government owned companies is not profit but the supplying of the people. It is the goal of the government to, overall, break even. Profits that should arise are welcome yet should be used for innovation and expansion

 

-The government should push forward the arts and the sciences through regular funding Programs, independent from national borders. The arts and the sciences as an international effort, to say so

 

-All large companies (800+ employees) should be directed by a board, where at least half of the seats are filled by candidates directly voted for by the employees of the company

 

-Government is to release all its economic activities on a daily basis, including all payment to government employees. High ranking employees should be named. If the people feel that the government mishandled their money, it is the right of the people to call for an referendum on reelections

 

Is that socialism or responsible capitalism? I don't know the right label, and frankly, I care little.

 

And.. you're "responsible capitalism" won't stay responsible if there are no people with my views, pointing out flaws and unfairness.

 

And I realise we have some of these things to some extent. But not fully. Plus this is only what I could come up with right now.

Edited January 25, 2017 by Ben No.3

[Elerond]

"dinner at the White House, he repeated his claim that millions of undocumented immigrants voted for Hillary Clinton -- allegedly depriving him of the popular vote.

 

"I wasn't there, but if the President of the United States is claiming that 3.5 million people voted illegally, that shakes confidence in our democracy —"

 

 

 

L0L Is that for real? Meanwhile the anti Trumpers are whining about how a foreign country hacked the election.. doesn't THAT shake confidence in your democracy? COME ON.

 

Like you don't know that here is massive difference in elected president claiming things in official setting compared to private citizens whining about something.

 

Also there was provable case of hacking and leaking information during elections, as we all were able to see those leaked emails, even if people that did hack and leak can't be identified for sure, where any proof that even singular people are voting illegally is nearly non-existent and there isn't anything that even remotely suggest thousands let alone millions of people are voting illegally in US. But world where everything that you claim is just alternative fact there seems to be no need for any proof and if such behavior is accepted for president and his advisory then it is accepted to everybody else.

[BruceVC]

 

"dinner at the White House, he repeated his claim that millions of undocumented immigrants voted for Hillary Clinton -- allegedly depriving him of the popular vote.

 

"I wasn't there, but if the President of the United States is claiming that 3.5 million people voted illegally, that shakes confidence in our democracy —"

 

 

 

L0L Is that for real? Meanwhile the anti Trumpers are whining about how a foreign country hacked the election.. doesn't THAT shake confidence in your democracy? COME ON.

 

Like you don't know that here is massive difference in elected president claiming things in official setting compared to private citizens whining about something.

 

Also there was provable case of hacking and leaking information during elections, as we all were able to see those leaked emails, even if people that did hack and leak can't be identified for sure, where any proof that even singular people are voting illegally is nearly non-existent and there isn't anything that even remotely suggest thousands let alone millions of people are voting illegally in US. But world where everything that you claim is just alternative fact there seems to be no need for any proof and if such behavior is accepted for president and his advisory then it is accepted to everybody else.

 

volo I have to say Elerond is 100 % correct in this post, I would strongly suggest you heed his wise words 

[Ben No.3]

 

Look, capitalism isn't all bad. But it has so many ugly sides. History shows that pure state run economies don't work. Okay, I'll take socialism, heavily democracise it, put in capitalist elements to put up for its flaws. Here some things I stand for:

-All life ensuring businesses are to be owned and run by the government, or the government participates in the market. Those are: Housing, basic food, education, water, electricity, internet, land, arms and all forms of physical force, mobile networks, public transport. All income generated will be used to government expenses

 

-All citizens receive an unconditional basic income that ensures an acceptable standard of living for everyone

 

-ADDED II: Oh, and a secular society: no religious teaching, symbolism or clothing outside of institutions build for said purpose

 

-Income and wealth are under a heavy progressive tax

 

-Capital, which includes but is not limited to companies, shares, land and private wealth can not be inherited and will be used to government expenses

 

-ADDED: all means of transportation within a city should be run as a shareconomy. Nobody owns a car, but everyone can hop into any car, and so on.

-Government should erect a basic bank that should ONLY store wealth and give loans to private persons and should not proceed towards investment banking (???... probably this wouldn't work)

 

-The goal of government owned companies is not profit but the supplying of the people. It is the goal of the government to, overall, break even. Profits that should arise are welcome yet should be used for innovation and expansion

 

-The government should push forward the arts and the sciences through regular funding Programs, independent from national borders. The arts and the sciences as an international effort, to say so

 

-All large companies (800+ employees) should be directed by a board, where at least half of the seats are filled by candidates directly voted for by the employees of the company

 

-Government is to release all its economic activities on a daily basis, including all payment to government employees. High ranking employees should be named. If the people feel that the government mishandled their money, it is the right of the people to call for an referendum on reelections

 

Is that socialism or responsible capitalism? I don't know the right label, and frankly, I care little.

 

And.. you're "responsible capitalism" won't stay responsible if there are no people with my views, pointing out flaws and unfairness.

 

And I realise we have some of these things to some extent. But not fully. Plus this is only what I could come up with right now.

 

Indeed, i agree if the people of NK could hold a referendum to get him out of office, the world would be a better place.

 

But I think he'd disagree with the people. So...

 

[Chilloutman]

Venezuela remains highly dependent on oil revenues, which account for almost all export earnings and nearly half of the government’s revenue. The country ended 2015 with an estimated 10% contraction in its GDP, 275% inflation, widespread shortages of consumer goods, and declining central bank international reserves. The IMF forecasts that the GDP will shrink another 8% in 2016 and inflation may reach 720%.

Falling oil prices since 2014 have aggravated Venezuela’s economic crisis. Insufficient access to dollars, price controls, and rigid labor regulations have led some US and multinational firms to reduce or shut down their Venezuelan operations. Market uncertainty and state oil company PDVSA’s poor cash flow have slowed investment in the petroleum sector, resulting in a decline in oil production.

Under President Nicolas MADURO, the Venezuelan Government’s response to the economic crisis has been to increase state control over the economy and blame the private sector for the shortages. The Venezuelan government has maintained strict currency controls since 2003. On 17 February 2016, the Venezuelan government announced a change from three official currency exchange mechanisms to only two official rates for the sale of dollars to private sector firms and individuals, with rates based on the government's import priorities. The official exchange rate used for food and medicine imports was devalued to 10 bolivars per dollar from 6.3 bolivars per dollar. The second rate moved to a managed float. These currency controls present significant obstacles to trade with Venezuela because importers cannot obtain sufficient dollars to purchase goods needed to maintain their operations. MADURO has used decree powers to enact legislation to deepen the state’s role as the primary buyer and distributor of imports, further tighten currency controls, cap business profits, and extend price controls.

[Chilloutman]

As part of the former Soviet Union, Belarus had a relatively well-developed, though aging industrial base; it retained this industrial base - which is now outdated, energy inefficient, and dependent on subsidized Russian energy and preferential access to Russian markets - following the breakup of the USSR. The country also has a broad agricultural base which is largely inefficient and dependent on government subsidies. After an initial burst of capitalist reform from 1991-94, including privatization of smaller state enterprises and some service sector businesses, creation of institutions of private property, and development of entrepreneurship, Belarus' economic development greatly slowed. About 80% of all industry remains in state hands, and foreign investment has been hindered by a climate hostile to business. A few banks, which had been privatized after independence, were renationalized. State banks account for 75% of the banking sector.

Economic output, which had declined for several years following the collapse of the Soviet Union, revived in the mid-2000s due to the boom in oil prices. Belarus has only small reserves of crude oil, though it imports most of its crude oil and natural gas from Russia at prices substantially below the world market. Belarus exported refined oil products at market prices produced from Russian crude oil purchased at a steep discount. In late 2006, Russia began a process of rolling back its subsidies on oil and gas to Belarus. Tensions over Russian energy reached a peak in 2010, when Russia stopped the export of all subsidized oil to Belarus save for domestic needs. In December 2010, Russia and Belarus reached a deal to restart the export of discounted oil to Belarus. In 2015, Belarus continued to import Russian crude oil at a discounted price. However, the plunge in global oil prices heavily reduced revenues.

Little new foreign investment has occurred in recent years. In 2011, a financial crisis began, triggered by government directed salary hikes unsupported by commensurate productivity increases. The crisis was compounded by an increased cost in Russian energy inputs and an overvalued Belarusian ruble, and eventually led to a near three-fold devaluation of the Belarusian ruble in 2011. In November 2011, Belarus agreed to sell to Russia its remaining shares in Beltransgaz, the Belarusian natural gas pipeline operator, in exchange for reduced prices for Russian natural gas. Receiving part of a $3 billion loan from the Russian-dominated Eurasian Economic Community (EurAsEC) Bail-out Fund, a $1 billion loan from the Russian state-owned bank Sberbank, and the $2.5 billion sale of Beltransgaz to Russian state-owned Gazprom helped stabilize the situation in 2012; nevertheless, the Belarusian currency lost more than 60% of its value, as the rate of inflation reached new highs in 2011 and 2012, before calming in 2013. In December 2013, Russia announced a new loan for Belarus of up to $2 billion for 2014. Notwithstanding foreign assistance, the Belarusian economy continued to struggle under the weight of high external debt servicing payments and trade deficit. In mid-December 2014, structural economic shortcomings were aggravated by the devaluation of the Russian ruble and triggered a near 40% devaluation of the Belarusian ruble. Belarus entered 2015 with stagnant economic growth and reduced hard currency reserves, with under one month of import cover.

[Gfted1]

Whats the big deal? Dead people vote in Illinois all the time.

 

Probably a lie planted by Breitbert decades and decades ago to support the future coming of Trump. Those diabolical bastards!

[Ben No.3]

Oh, and I kinda like this poster...

 

[Hurlshort]

Whats the big deal? Dead people vote in Illinois all the time.

 

Probably a lie planted by Breitbert decades and decades ago to support the future coming of Trump. Those diabolical bastards!

 

Obviously that is a problem, but 229 votes over the last decade is almost infinitesimal when it comes to the number of people voting overall. 

[Gfted1]

Obviously that is a problem, but 229 votes over the last decade is almost infinitesimal when it comes to the number of people voting overall.

Thats also what Breitbert wants you to think! They have their fingers in everything and if something doesnt fit someones narrative, its all Breitberts fault. Im pretty sure their server is maintained by the Antichrist under the Vatican.

 

Obviously, I'm greatly entertained by the back-and-forth pissing contests of who's source is "better". Internet, you never let me down.

[HoonDing]

Can we post pretty ladies here other than Ivana?

[BruceVC]

 

Obviously that is a problem, but 229 votes over the last decade is almost infinitesimal when it comes to the number of people voting overall.

Thats also what Breitbert wants you to think! They have their fingers in everything and if something doesnt fit someones narrative, its all Breitberts fault. Im pretty sure their server is maintained by the Antichrist under the Vatican.

 

Obviously, I'm greatly entertained by the back-and-forth pissing contests of who's source is "better". Internet, you never let me down.

 

Gfted1 wouldn't you agree with all your years on this forum and everything you have seen you can objectively say my sources of information are the most accurate?

[Hurlshort]

Can we post pretty ladies here other than Ivana?

 

Nope.

[Wrath of Dagon]

 

Whats the big deal? Dead people vote in Illinois all the time.

 

Probably a lie planted by Breitbert decades and decades ago to support the future coming of Trump. Those diabolical bastards!

 

Obviously that is a problem, but 229 votes over the last decade is almost infinitesimal when it comes to the number of people voting overall.

 

That's just what they were able to find. Democrat governments cover up voter fraud because it favors them. That is why they fight any voter integrity measures tooth and nail, whether it's id or cleaning up voter rolls. California is one of the worst offenders, they give driver licenses to illegal aliens and also register people to vote when they get the driver licenses. They claim they scrutinize the registrations to make sure they're eligible, but how do you scrutinize someone without documents, and what is their incentive to be vigilant when they know it's another Democrat voter? Add to that pretty explicit calls during the last election both from politicians and leftist groups for illegal aliens to vote, and the Democrats caught on tape planning massive voter fraud (Creamer, visited the White House hundreds of times).

[Gfted1]

Gfted1 wouldn't you agree with all your years on this forum and everything you have seen you can objectively say my sources of information are the most accurate?

Not your sources, BVC, its you yourself! I frequently scour the forums with the search function just to find your pearls of wisdom to impart onto others.

[Elerond]

And Republican governments cover voting hacking because it is done in their favor