The US Election 2016, Part VIII

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

Other than the whole naive, kumbaya feel of the quote, what's wrong with it? Sounds like something Sanders and Stein supporters would get behind of.

 

It's always easy to dream that way when you can do it on other people's money. 

 

 

This sentiment is, of course, entirely inapplicable to certain highly practical dreams of wall-building and its ilk.

[Meshugger]

 

 

Other than the whole naive, kumbaya feel of the quote, what's wrong with it? Sounds like something Sanders and Stein supporters would get behind of.

 

It's always easy to dream that way when you can do it on other people's money. 

 

 

This sentiment is, of course, entirely inapplicable to certain highly practical dreams of wall-building and its ilk.

 

 

The anti-construction engineering lobby has stricken once again, i see. Sure the industry has problems with cutting corners, problems with selection materials with less longviety than expected but they should stop listen to the ramblings of uncle Joseph and put their trust on cousin Donny the builder instead.

Edited October 8, 2016 by Meshugger

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

 

 

Other than the whole naive, kumbaya feel of the quote, what's wrong with it? Sounds like something Sanders and Stein supporters would get behind of.

 

It's always easy to dream that way when you can do it on other people's money. 

 

 

This sentiment is, of course, entirely inapplicable to certain highly practical dreams of wall-building and its ilk.

 

 

The anti-construction engineering lobby has stricken once again, i see. Sure the industry has problems with cutting corners, problems with selection materials with less longviety than expected but they should stop listen to the ramblings of uncle Joseph

 

 

i c wat u did der

[Malcador]

It's civil engineering. Not construction engineering. Reminds me of watching some GOP hack saying the US Civil Eng association only says infrastructure is in a bad way to get money for themselves.

[Volourn]

"Not sure the State Department managed police."

 

30 years of experience, man, 30 years of experience.

 

Also, Trump's flaws don't whitewash Hillary's flaws and hers are doozies espicially since has 30 years of experience.  I mean, I have 40 years of experience being alive doesn't mean I know what I'm doing. L0L

 

Trump has said mean and hateful things towards women. He has done the same to men. Is he sexist towards men? Trump is juat mean, hateful, pathetic man. That doesn't necessarily make him sexist. It makes him a scumbag.

[HoonDing]

"Just grab 'em by the ****" advice didn't work for Fez in That 70s show.

[BruceVC]

"Not sure the State Department managed police."

 

30 years of experience, man, 30 years of experience.

 

Also, Trump's flaws don't whitewash Hillary's flaws and hers are doozies espicially since has 30 years of experience.  I mean, I have 40 years of experience being alive doesn't mean I know what I'm doing. L0L

 

Trump has said mean and hateful things towards women. He has done the same to men. Is he sexist towards men? Trump is juat mean, hateful, pathetic man. That doesn't necessarily make him sexist. It makes him a scumbag.

volo I have never heard of a man being called sexist towards men? I have extensive experience around this form of bigotry and that would be a  first 

 

Also you keep seem to be missing the point that as these numerous flaws are revealed in Trump and he keeps hurting his image there is less and less chance he will be president, this is a good thing volo. You should be happy ?

[Agiel]

I think the fact that he engaged in "what-about-ism" vis-a-vis Bill Clinton in his "apology" left me with an even lower opinion of Trump afterwards, to be honest. For god's sake, for a guy as egotistical as him that opportunity was supposed to be all about him and nothing more.

[Namutree]

 

The dems will eventually have to lay off the "muh raycism and smexsim" charges and assess Donald's proposed policy changes. Might behoove them to try that before he's president.

First, they are not charges, they are recorded fact. Second and more important, his supposed policies regarding immigration and foreign policy are stupid and naive at best. At worst his proposed policies are racist and dangerous to America and the world at large. Build a wall and deport all Muslims come to mind.

Trump never suggested deporting all muslims (or any muslims), and a wall hardly sounds dangerous to the world.

[Malcador]

I think the fact that he engaged in "what-about-ism" vis-a-vis Bill Clinton in his "apology" left me with an even lower opinion of Trump afterwards, to be honest. For god's sake, for a guy as egotistical as him that opportunity was supposed to be all about him and nothing more.

He's a perfect specimen of a corporate man.

[licketysplit]

I think the fact that he engaged in "what-about-ism" vis-a-vis Bill Clinton in his "apology" left me with an even lower opinion of Trump afterwards, to be honest. For god's sake, for a guy as egotistical as him that opportunity was supposed to be all about him and nothing more.

 

It's hard to ignore Hillary lambasting Trump being sexist when she ruthlessly defended lying Bill for doing pretty much the same thing. 

 

At the end of the day, Hillary's transgressions as Secretary of State are far worse than Trump sounding like a cad with his buddies. 

[Pidesco]

 

 

The dems will eventually have to lay off the "muh raycism and smexsim" charges and assess Donald's proposed policy changes. Might behoove them to try that before he's president.

First, they are not charges, they are recorded fact. Second and more important, his supposed policies regarding immigration and foreign policy are stupid and naive at best. At worst his proposed policies are racist and dangerous to America and the world at large. Build a wall and deport all Muslims come to mind.

Trump never suggested deporting all muslims (or any muslims), and a wall hardly sounds dangerous to the world.

 

 

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/10/05/vice-presidential-debate-mike-pence-v-donald-trump-origwx-allee.cnn

 

Enjoy.

[Namutree]

 

 

 

The dems will eventually have to lay off the "muh raycism and smexsim" charges and assess Donald's proposed policy changes. Might behoove them to try that before he's president.

First, they are not charges, they are recorded fact. Second and more important, his supposed policies regarding immigration and foreign policy are stupid and naive at best. At worst his proposed policies are racist and dangerous to America and the world at large. Build a wall and deport all Muslims come to mind.

Trump never suggested deporting all muslims (or any muslims), and a wall hardly sounds dangerous to the world.

 

 

http://edition.cnn.com/videos/politics/2016/10/05/vice-presidential-debate-mike-pence-v-donald-trump-origwx-allee.cnn

 

Enjoy.

 

Those references to deportation are in regard to illegal immigrants. Not Muslims.

 

Deporting illegals (they're not supposed to be here) is whole different ball game than deporting people for their beliefs.

Edited October 8, 2016 by Namutree

[Pidesco]

Yeah, you're right. Sorry about that. It's still terrible, though.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/11/21/7-charts-that-explain-the-undocumented-immigrant-population/

 

The majority of illegal immigrants have been in the US for over 10 years, which means they are more than settled and a significant percentage have progeny that was born in the US.

[Zoraptor]

So always remember if I ever leave these forums..

 

Celebration -- Kool and the Gang

Dancing on the ceiling -- Lionel Richie

Na na Hey Hey Goodbye -- Gabe Newell

 

FTR Zora thinks that people who choose 'teams' for anything other than sports are inflexible doctrinaire morans, and that it is thus utterly unsurprising that Bruce always nails his colours to teams. Zora also finds Bruce's deliberate manipulations of other's positions to get replies to be obnoxious.

 

Plus, still no proof that Russia leaked anything, just assertions from the same people who said that Iraq had deployable wmds, yellowcake, worked with Al Qaeda and a host of other politically mandated falsehoods. D+ overall you got a reply and had your name at the top of the post so I have to give your troll at least one grade, and my regret for not reporting you when you admitted to trolling goes up sufficiently that if you ever do so again- or admit it for anyone else- I most certainly will. I have the playlist all cued up and ready to go.

[Gromnir]

trump's muslim ban has 'been 'bout entry as 'posed to deportation.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-pushes-expanded-ban-on-muslims-and-other-foreigners/2016/06/13/c9988e96-317d-11e6-8ff7-7b6c1998b7a0_story.html

 

the ban were original targeting any muslim entering the country, but trump's plan has evolved a bit.  is still a ridiculous plan, and would be struck down by SCOTUS, but is not 'bout deporting muslims.

 

deportation o' illegals is a different issue.  the illegals issue is a bit more complex and is perfect trump fodder as gut-level sympathy for people who is admitted doing something illegal is gonna be low.  the fact that many illegals has been getting away with their criminal activity for decades tends to reduce empathy rather than increas.  after all, US immigration policies is already 'mongst the western world's most lax.  

 

regardless, the trump muslim ban has been 'bout entrance. 

 

HA! Good Fun!

Edited October 8, 2016 by Gromnir

[Volourn]

"Also you keep seem to be missing the point that as these numerous flaws are revealed in Trump and he keeps hurting his image there is less and less chance he will be president, this is a good thing volo. You should be happy ?"

 

Not really. Because the alternative is Hillary. Different **** is still equal ****.

 

 

"The majority of illegal immigrants have been in the US for over 10 years, which means they are more than settled and a significant percentage have progeny that was born in the US."

 

rewarding criminal behavior should not be acceptable. Tell them the kids can stay as it ain't their faul but the parents can go and then legally apply.  Citizens of a country are expected to follow the law... why should non citizerns be above it? The logic on the pro illegal immigration side is absolutely insane.

 

P.S. I'm 100% for legal immigration. Afterall, NA is friggin' built on it but the laws should a) either be followed or b) if they are bullcrap fought to be changed.

[Namutree]

Yeah, you're right. Sorry about that. It's still terrible, though.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2014/11/21/7-charts-that-explain-the-undocumented-immigrant-population/

 

The majority of illegal immigrants have been in the US for over 10 years, which means they are more than settled and a significant percentage have progeny that was born in the US.

Well, the parents of children are basically immune from deportation since their kids are US citizens (being born here and all). I believe this known as having an anchor baby. So, not really a concern.

 

I will note that I am not a fan of a wall or deportation force as a solution to the illegal alien issue. Seems like using a machete for an operation that needs a scalpel, but the only alternative I've been presented with is to not even get the surgery.

[Gromnir]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2015/08/20/the-myth-of-the-anchor-baby-deportation-defense/

 

anchor baby is not what most believe it to be.

 

*shrug*

 

HA! Good Fun!

[Wrath of Dagon]

Legally it's not a defense but under Obola's policies it is. Also having an anchor baby citizen gives them access to welfare benefits for the baby, access to free education, access to free healthcare. It's true if the government is trying to deport someone, the anchor baby might not help, but they won't be trying in the first place unless the parent is a serious criminal, and then only may be.

[Longknife]

And guess what, proof that Russia was indeed behind the attacks, does this not concern you ?

 

http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/10/russia-conducted-wiki-hack-says-u-s-intelligence.html?mid=full-rss-di&mid=full-rss-di

https://twitter.com/kylegriffin1/status/784477443205767168/photo/1

 

Bruce is your reading comprehension abysmal, do you cling to minute details without recognizing context, or do you just not read your own sources beyond the headlines?

 

The article you link explicitly asserts the Clinton campaign was the first to make that accusation, and slowly the entire administration adjusted their narrative to match. The article is cautioning you to not believe that claim and implying it's shady business.

Edited October 8, 2016 by Longknife

[Pidesco]

The rats are abandoning the ship?

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15MudzswjU45efqvus21goEqtknbsfy9w2CLaWvOa_z0/htmlview?sle=true

[licketysplit]

That just helps his cause as an outsider. The more republicans and dems works collectively against him, the worse it is for them. 

[Meshugger]

The rats are abandoning the ship?

 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/15MudzswjU45efqvus21goEqtknbsfy9w2CLaWvOa_z0/htmlview?sle=true

 

Trump confirmed for not being the establishment candidate.

 

It's fascinating to see how all the people of the big club are coming out with the knives in their hands.

[Malcador]

Trump being stabbed to death outside Trump tower in NY is a nice thought. Not sure this is being part of the establishment or just disliking an utter ****.