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One game that had a surprisingly nice crafting system was Dragon Age: Inquisition. Everything I picked from the ground eventually came to some use and that made the material gathering meaningful, To bad the story and the characters were garbage.

Except the loot drops were horrible in comparison. Find a legendary purple weapon but its useless compared to a crafted weapon made of simple iron. I liked crafting in the Witcher games, but that's because it made sense with alchemy and the role it plays in both gameplay and in the fiction, but many games that are adding/have added crafting systems in recent years didn't need one and don't benefit from it.

Skyrim for example. Why roam and explore if u can craft and make weapons that pale to what the daedric princes would give?

I will second that the witcher 3 had a good crafting system and made sense.

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I dislike level dependent loot generalted by random tables in general. If loot has level restrictions I don't want more than three tiers or thereabouts. A good sign is if you can find an item early on that you like and wind up using for most of the game. Really developers should place most loot and only randomly generate the inconsequential stuff. 

 

So often loot drops make you feel like one of the sad old ladies playing the one armed bandits at the casino. They win just often enough to keep them playing, but the sensation is never enough to keep them away for very long. A lot of science went into feeding them just the right gameplay loop to condition their dopamine receptors to listen for the reward sound, that *ping* of a purple or gold drop, insert three oranges or whatever pays out on a slot machine.

 

Even if you win big, you are still conditioned to keep going, that's how the house wins every time. In an MMO they make your purple drop level dependent and switly lose its value as you earn more XP.

 

This was mostly my experience of Skyrim and Witcher 3 as well, but at least in those games you could get better gear by crafting or hunting down wicher gear and more or less escape from the grind. 

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I agree with those who dislike crafting in RPGs. I play an adventurer. Not a craftsman. Making a good blade takes weeks in real life, yet in most games you 'craft' one, using silly 'ingredients' in a few minutes. The stupid crafting system in PoE killed so much joy for me. Kill it with fire!

 

Level scaling is another deplorable feature. Awful mechanic that makes character progression pointless.

 

And finally voiceacting. Listening to the same twenty actors pretending to be hundreds or even thosands of people is cringeworthy. Even more so when twenty people attempt to sound like they are a crowd of thousands. Yuck!

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I hate all the number related nonsense in RPG's. Its a remnant of wargaming and PnP where you needed some way to structure and immerse into a game as opposed to just having adults playing with toy soldiers or cops and robbers. There is no reason to have any of that anymore except in a most bare bones fashion. 

 

Randomly generated loot, crafting, sophisticated leveling and builds - extensive upgrading - its all just pavlovian nonsense that has no real impact on creating an immersive experience. 

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And finally voiceacting. Listening to the same twenty actors pretending to be hundreds or even thosands of people is cringeworthy. Even more so when twenty people attempt to sound like they are a crowd of thousands. Yuck!

 

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Welp, I don't know how many years it's been, but it's back, another tease for l'arlésienne as we say in French, good old Beyond Good and Evil 2 :

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/BK2aRqvAC2S/

 

Maybe a last hurrah from the Guillemot brothers before Ubisoft get bought out by Vincent Bolloré and they get kicked out?

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Welp, I don't know how many years it's been, but it's back, another tease for l'arlésienne as we say in French, good old Beyond Good and Evil 2 :

 

https://www.instagram.com/p/BK2aRqvAC2S/

 

Maybe a last hurrah from the Guillemot brothers before Ubisoft get bought out by Vincent Bolloré and they get kicked out?

I feel like Michel Ancel is just trolling us and has been the whole time.  Go **** yourself, Michel, I'm not falling for your **** again.

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Making a good blade takes weeks in real life, yet in most games you 'craft' one, using silly 'ingredients' in a few minutes.

And this is a problem because... ?

 

 

A guarantied way to make crafting worse is to make it real-time. I don't want to leave my computer on for ten years to get a master crafted sword.

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Wasteland 3 "kickstarter" (on Fig) just got announced. The codex is in lolz.

http://www.polygon.com/2016/9/28/13081728/wasteland-3-announcement-fig-kickstarter-crowdfunding-release-date

 

Why? Is Fargo (and BNone) trying to pitch the game over there? That would be lolworthy alright. I'd expect much of the 'dex to pledge regardless...

 

In eggs isle going full popamole is hardly surprising, at this point.

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I quite liked Wasteland 2. Not the best RPG ever, sure, but it was a lot of fun regardless. I also liked XCOM. I am not hardcore enough again or something?

 

Nope, sry

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What is this now, the tenth Fallout game when you include tactics and that old console action trash

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И његова сва изгибе војска, 
Седамдесет и седам иљада;
Све је свето и честито било
И миломе Богу приступачно.

 

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Wasteland 2 was excellent.  The complaints seem to be more about how InXile handles their PR then the actual game.

 

 

What is this now, the tenth Fallout game when you include tactics and that old console action trash

 

What other games are you talking about?

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Wasteland 2 was excellent.  The complaints seem to be more about how InXile handles their PR then the actual game.

 

 

What is this now, the tenth Fallout game when you include tactics and that old console action trash

 

What other games are you talking about?

 

Wasteland

Fallout

Fallout 2

Fallout Tactics

Fallout Brotherhood of Steel

Fallout 3

Wasteland 2

Fallout New Vegas

Fallout 4

 

the end of the world never ends

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И његова сва изгибе војска, 
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И миломе Богу приступачно.

 

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I quite enjoyed Wasteland 2 and am looking forward to playing W3. That said, I'm done with crowdfunding, so Fargo & Co ain't getting no money in advance from me.

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Wasteland 2 was excellent.  The complaints seem to be more about how InXile handles their PR then the actual game.

 

 

What is this now, the tenth Fallout game when you include tactics and that old console action trash

 

What other games are you talking about?

 

Wasteland

Fallout

Fallout 2

Fallout Tactics

Fallout Brotherhood of Steel

Fallout 3

Wasteland 2

Fallout New Vegas

Fallout 4

 

the end of the world never ends

 

 

Oh, you meant actual Fallout games, I thought you meant games that mimic the old school style of Fallout 1 and 2.  Wasteland 2 is the only new game that is doing that.  

 

Wasteland 2 is a pretty different setting too.  It shares the post-apoc stuff, sure, but it doesn't have any of the 50's retro setting, it's fairly grounded in reality when it comes to weapons, etc. 

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