Aoyagi 105 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 That's not how you make plural of "VM". An apostrophe denotes plural only of a single character (V's) or if you separated the letters in an initialism with dots (V.M.'s). Thanks for listening ^^ 1 Quote Link to post Share on other sites
ShadySands 7,667 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Must be a 90's thing Quote Free games updated 3/6/19 Link to post Share on other sites
Bartimaeus 2,128 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 That's not how you make plural of "VM". An apostrophe denotes plural only of a single character (V's) or if you separated the letters in an initialism with dots (V.M.'s). Thanks for listening ^^ Yeah, I don't know why it's become a thing to put apostrophes in plural forms of words, but become a thing it has. Do you have a source on the apostrophe for a single character word? Never heard that before, and I'm curious as to whether that's actually correct. Quote Put fascists and sociopaths on your ignore list. Link to post Share on other sites
Aoyagi 105 Posted September 16, 2015 Author Share Posted September 16, 2015 (edited) Must be a 90's thing I wouldn't be surprised if it stemmed from exactly that since both 90s and 90's can be correct depending on the context. Yeah, I don't know why it's become a thing to put apostrophes in plural forms of words, but become a thing it has. Do you have a source on the apostrophe for a single character word? Never heard that before, and I'm curious as to whether that's actually correct. Yeah, most guides mention that: Punctuation marks Apostrophe - rule 6 Grammar Girl's take Apostrophes and plural forms Grammar Monster - note: advanced guidelines including more exceptions Punctuation guide Probably much more, but these are the ones I know of. Edited September 16, 2015 by Aoyagi Quote Link to post Share on other sites
213374U 2,624 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 (edited) That's not how you make plural of "VM". An apostrophe denotes plural only of a single character (V's) or if you separated the letters in an initialism with dots (V.M.'s). Thanks for listening ^^ (emphasis mine) Actually, the Grammar Monster link you posted, specifically says: Do not Use an Apostrophe for the Plural of a Normal Abbreviation It is worth reiterating this point. Do not use apostrophes for the plurals of normal abbreviations. Examples: He had 4 CCJ's against him. He had 4 CCJs against him. M.O.T.'s M.O.T.s Which is the rule I'm accustomed to. Edited September 16, 2015 by 213374U Quote - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to post Share on other sites
Bartimaeus 2,128 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I'm confused, 213374U: your two examples remove the apostrophe in both cases, regardless of the periods. Quote Put fascists and sociopaths on your ignore list. Link to post Share on other sites
213374U 2,624 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I was replying to the bolded part in the OP. AFAIK, using apostrophes to signify plurals in initialisms or acronyms is incorrect, whether you use dots to separate the initials or not. OP however said it's an accepted form, unless I massively brain farted and misread, right? Quote - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to post Share on other sites
Bartimaeus 2,128 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 (edited) I was replying to the bolded part in the OP. AFAIK, using apostrophes to signify plurals in initialisms or acronyms is incorrect, whether you use dots to separate the initials or not. OP however said it's an accepted form, unless I massively brain farted and misread, right? Nope, that was just me...for some reason, I thought *you* wrote the bold part of the post that you quoted, and were saying that you should keep the apostrophe in that case. Whoops! Edited September 16, 2015 by Bartimaeus Quote Put fascists and sociopaths on your ignore list. Link to post Share on other sites
aluminiumtrioxid 1,791 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 (edited) AFAIK, using apostrophes to signify plurals in initialisms or acronyms is incorrect, whether you use dots to separate the initials or not. As an ignorant foreigner, I was always led to believe this is the case. Edited September 16, 2015 by aluminiumtrioxid Quote "Lulz is not the highest aspiration of art and mankind, no matter what the Encyclopedia Dramatica says." Link to post Share on other sites
Amentep 5,846 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 I think the New York Times Style guide actually puts 's on plural abbreviations, but this is - again as I recall - so body text can match their titles. Quote Link to post Share on other sites
Nonek 4,762 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Does anyone proofread what they produce on the internet? I for one thought that the relaxed posting style and grammatical laxity was an attraction for the medium. Then again when one has to deal with such matters professionally, a break from doing so is always welcome. Quote Quite an experience to live in misery isn't it? That's what it is to be married with children.I've seen things you people can't even imagine. Pearly Kings glittering on the Elephant and Castle, Morris Men dancing 'til the last light of midsummer. I watched Druid fires burning in the ruins of Stonehenge, and Yorkshiremen gurning for prizes. All these things will be lost in time, like alopecia on a skinhead. Time for tiffin. Tea for the teapot! Link to post Share on other sites
213374U 2,624 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 4 Quote - When he is best, he is a little worse than a man, and when he is worst, he is little better than a beast. Link to post Share on other sites
Bartimaeus 2,128 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Does anyone proofread what they produce on the internet? Only after I already send or submit something and realize I need to correct it in a half-dozen ways. Quote Put fascists and sociopaths on your ignore list. Link to post Share on other sites
majestic 2,237 Posted September 16, 2015 Share Posted September 16, 2015 Oh, nice, finally a thread that I can derail somewhat by mentioning that I want to strangle BruceVC every time he messes up their and there. Which is, quite frankly, every time. *sigh* 1 Quote We all have signed the pacts, we knew so well nothing was left We are being born at the sound of ends, and yes we still believe in beauty It used to be the pride of Man, now a flame put out by the cold in his hand Link to post Share on other sites
Bartimaeus 2,128 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I am not really sure what you mean their ? Quote Put fascists and sociopaths on your ignore list. Link to post Share on other sites
Darren Monahan 966 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Thank's, all! I've corrected the aberration and feel properly shamed! 3 Quote OBSIDIAN ORDER OF ETERNITY - Officially sponsored most generously by Pierre and SD! Link to post Share on other sites
ShadySands 7,667 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 I am not really sure what you mean their ? I see what you did they're 1 Quote Free games updated 3/6/19 Link to post Share on other sites
ManifestedISO 2,861 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 (edited) I've always enjoyed the fringe ambiguity of the s'. Not "pluses," or "plusses,", but plus'. Or maybe pluii. I don't mean ambiguous, it's possessive ... I meant rare and sometimes confusing, the s'. Not confusing, I don't know what I'm saying. Edited September 17, 2015 by ManifestedISO Quote All Stop. On Screen. Link to post Share on other sites
Humanoid 1,917 Posted September 17, 2015 Share Posted September 17, 2015 Oh, nice, finally a thread that I can derail somewhat by mentioning that I want to strangle BruceVC every time he messes up their and there. Which is, quite frankly, every time. *sigh* All of the BruceVCs all with BruceVC's typical grammar, or is that BruceV.C.'s? How do the BruceV.C.s feel about this? The ManifestedI.S.O.s? The 2.1337.4.U.s? Quote L I E S T R O N GL I V E W R O N G Link to post Share on other sites
Aoyagi 105 Posted September 17, 2015 Author Share Posted September 17, 2015 That's not how you make plural of "VM". An apostrophe denotes plural only of a single character (V's) or if you separated the letters in an initialism with dots (V.M.'s). Thanks for listening ^^ (emphasis mine) Actually, the Grammar Monster link you posted, specifically says: Do not Use an Apostrophe for the Plural of a Normal Abbreviation It is worth reiterating this point. Do not use apostrophes for the plurals of normal abbreviations. Examples: He had 4 CCJ's against him. He had 4 CCJs against him. M.O.T.'s M.O.T.s Which is the rule I'm accustomed to. Well, most guides I've read suggest to use it to assist the readers. Thankfully abbreviations with dots are rarely pluralised, so I can avoid it. Personally I'd rather avoid using an apostrophe to denote plural in those cases since, like Grammar Monster, I think that they should be used only in specific cases that might create confusion without help of an apostrophe, but I follow (the majority of) guides. Does anyone proofread what they produce on the internet? I for one thought that the relaxed posting style and grammatical laxity was an attraction for the medium. Then again when one has to deal with such matters professionally, a break from doing so is always welcome. Actually I don't, and I should. Not because of grammar, but typos and misplaced words are more common than I'd like when I'm reading back on the texts I've blessed the world with :D Thank's, all! I've corrected the aberration and feel properly shamed! Appreciated, you've made the world a better place! Quote Link to post Share on other sites
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