Journalism and bias in the gaming industry.

[Amentep]

So the artist caved in to a small minority of snowflakes because of a cover they deem people who are not even them should not be able to have at all because of how insecure and overcompensating they are about the character.

 

What's the problem? That's the problem.

 

Coming to your favorite comics/movies/games soon too that are going to require to become snowflake friendly to exist regardless of whether the snowflakes even buy it for themselves.

 

No, DC Comics changed a variant cover that was created by marketing as a retailer incentive after concern that the cover -

-referenced the potential rape of the main character*

-didn't fit the tone of the current book

-wasn't approved by the creative team or the editorial in the book because it was commissioned by marketing

-the artist agreed, in retrospect, the cover wasn't appropriate to the current book

 

The disturbing thing to me isn't that they pulled a variant cover (not even the actual retail cover!) but that so many people seem to think that blocking anyone who disagrees with them - no matter how benignly - is the appropriate response.

 

*While it wasn't his intention, Alan Moore IIRC has admitted that there's a lot in the text that could imply sexual assault of Barbara and IIRC again Brian Boland has indicated he read it as a sexual assault in the script and drew it accordingly.  Within that context, had Barbara been at the mercy of any other bat-villain I doubt it'd have been as big an issue.

[BruceVC]

To be fair, I can easily see that having a woman crying while being menaced by a (bad) guy with a gun in that manner has certain implications respective or irrespective of previous events- and that it would be unlikely that Batman or Superman or most other male superheroes would be shown crying in a similar situation.

 

That might be because they're primary superheroes though, I don't know enough about the subject  as to whether, say, Wonder Woman has been shown crying in similar circumstances or if she behaves more stoically as Bats or Supes would.

 

I wasn't going to get involved in this debate but I know how much you guys appreciate and respect my opinion on these types of topics 

 

I agree with Zora in this point. I have an issue with female superheroes/characters  being portrayed in way that is either demeaning or in way that looks like they need a male to rescue them. Look at some of those older Wonder Women covers that Elerond posted..they not exactly complimentary to her character and you can see they were obviously done in a male-centric way and for a male audience 

 

And also I don't see too many covers of male superheroes crying on covers. Am I suggesting a complete overhaul of the comic industry, no of course not. I am just suggesting some sensitivity around how we present our female superheroes

Edited March 18, 2015 by BruceVC

[Amentep]

^Superman went through a phase where he was always crying on covers.  It was usually because he couldn't stop something from happening (as opposed to being in the control of a villain).

[Fighter]

 

To be fair, I can easily see that having a woman crying while being menaced by a (bad) guy with a gun in that manner has certain implications respective or irrespective of previous events- and that it would be unlikely that Batman or Superman or most other male superheroes would be shown crying in a similar situation.

 

That might be because they're primary superheroes though, I don't know enough about the subject  as to whether, say, Wonder Woman has been shown crying in similar circumstances or if she behaves more stoically as Bats or Supes would.

 

I wasn't going to get involved in this debate but I know how much you guys appreciate and respect my opinion on these types of topics 

 

I agree with Zora in this point. I have an issue with female superheroes/characters  being portrayed in way that is either demeaning or in way that looks like they need a male to rescue them. Look at some of those older Wonder Women covers that Elerond posted..they not exactly complimentary to her character and you can see they were obviously done in a male-centric way and for a male audience 

 

And also I don't see too many covers of male superheroes crying on covers. Am I suggesting a complete overhaul of the comic industry, no of course not. I am just suggesting some sensitivity around how we present our female superheroes

 

Got a problem with these?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 18, 2015 by Fighter

[BruceVC]

^Superman went through a phase where he was always crying on covers.  It was usually because he couldn't stop something from happening (as opposed to being in the control of a villain).

 

Fair enough but as you mentioned it was because of  events he had no control over ( I remember that classic and dramatic picture of him holding the dead Supergirl in the Crisis on Infinite Earths saga )  and not the fact he was being manhandled or overpowered 

[Blarghagh]

'So there can't even be a hint of a male harming a woman, but sexual harassment of a male superhero is played off as a joke and nobody cares.

 

 

EDIT: Here, take your own conclusions about DC comics: http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Rape

Edited March 18, 2015 by TrueNeutral

[BruceVC]

'So there can't even be a hint of a male harming a woman, but sexual harassment of a male superhero is played off as a joke and nobody cares.

 

 

Of course I'm not suggesting that, lets try to have this debate in a reasonable way

 

I am saying the objection is to female characters portrayed in a demeaning or " rapey " ( is there such a word ) manner

 

Ask yourself a simple question when there is a possibly controversial picture, substitute the female character with a male and see how you would feel about that picture...so a picture of spider-women on her knees....weeping and submissive ...with the Green Goblin standing over her laughing...this basically being the epitome of male dominance over women and then imagine how you would feel if spiderman was in that role? Not that you would generally see something like that but you get my point 

[Fighter]

Also these (don't a actually know who the second one is):

 

 

[REMOVED]

 

Also hilarious:

 

Edited March 18, 2015 by TrueNeutral
That rape scene was too graphic for this place.

[Blarghagh]

 

'So there can't even be a hint of a male harming a woman, but sexual harassment of a male superhero is played off as a joke and nobody cares.

 

 

Of course I'm not suggesting that, lets try to have this debate in a reasonable way

 

I am saying the objection is to female characters portrayed in a demeaning or " rapey " ( is there such a word ) manner

 

Ask yourself a simple question when there is a possibly controversial picture, substitute the female character with a male and see how you would feel about that picture...so a picture of spider-women on her knees....weeping and submissive ...with the Green Goblin standing over her laughing...this basically being the epitome of male dominance over women and then imagine how you would feel if spiderman was in that role? Not that you would generally see something like that but you get my point 

 

 

Here's what the difference is: The baggage you bring with it. People considered this cover "rapey" because they're obsessed with rape and need mental help. End of story. The facts are, of the high tier DC heroes males are much more likely to get raped than the women. Batman was raped twice. Nightwing was raped multiple times. John Constantine was raped. So was Green Arrow AND Green Lantern. The only female superhero that comes close to that tier that has had this is Starfire. Even outside that tier, men have had it worse. In League of Extraordinary Gentlemen, the Invisible Man was raped to death. This is a pure mental double standard by people who bring their own baggage. The irony here is that DC's treatment of women here is unequel in the opposite direction, bordering on positive discrimination.

 

Source: http://dc.wikia.com/wiki/Rape

Edited March 18, 2015 by TrueNeutral

[Malcador]

DC writers have some rape fetishes it seems.

[Fighter]

I've posted a whole bunch of them with men being demeaned and manhandled the previous page. Here is one again, and it's not a big deal to anyone:

 

Edited March 18, 2015 by Fighter

[Blarghagh]

I removed that rather graphic scene, if it's going to get that borderline you should leave it as a link with an NSFW warning.

[BruceVC]

I've posted a whole bunch of them with man being demeaned and manhandled the previous page. Here is one again, and it's not a big deal to anyone:

 

 

Okay I avoided answering you because the truth is I don't have a problem with it...you right. And I wasn't sure how I was going to respond without sounding like a hypocrite 

 

I don't have a problem with those types of pictures  because for me in our society there isn't really a major problem with men  being physically or emotionally  abused and dominated by women . So the female pictures go straight to a real social problem and dynamic that exits in certain conservative cultures ..the bad treatment of women which makes the pictures of women more personal ( and I'm saying I dont care about the abuse of men and boys..of course I do )

 

That's the difference for me around the pictures of men and women

[Fighter]

I removed that rather graphic scene, if it's going to get that borderline you should leave it as a link with an NSFW warning.

 

Censor... :D Fair enough.

 

TRIGGER WARNING (if this is even allowed to apply to men). It's comic strip about a woman raping a man and then telling him to "man up", it's sort of graphic NSFW:

 

http://s23.postimg.org/45i39zfbf/CAXDa_Vi_Uw_AA2ys_T.jpg

http://s23.postimg.org/jofj73nm3/CAXDa_Vg_Ug_AATxuz.jpg

http://s14.postimg.org/l3qzlzugx/CAXDa_Vi_VAAAoehc.jpg

 

Okay I avoided answering you because the truth is I don't have a problem with it...you right. And I wasn't sure how I was going to respond without sounding like a hypocrite 

 

I don't have a problem with those types of pictures  because for me in our society there isn't really a major problem with men  being physically or emotionally  abused and dominated by women . So the female pictures go straight to a real social problem and dynamic that exits in certain conservative cultures ..the bad treatment of women which makes the pictures of women more personal ( and I'm saying I dont care about the abuse of men and boys..of course I do )

 

That's the difference for me around the pictures of men and women.

 

So what you are saying is you are benevolently sexist.

Edited March 18, 2015 by Fighter

[Meshugger]

http://s23.postimg.org/45i39zfbf/CAXDa_Vi_Uw_AA2ys_T.jpg

http://s23.postimg.org/jofj73nm3/CAXDa_Vg_Ug_AATxuz.jpg

http://s14.postimg.org/l3qzlzugx/CAXDa_Vi_VAAAoehc.jpg

 

HOTHOTHOTHOTHOTHOTHOTHOTHOTHOTHOTHOTHOT

[Amentep]

 

I removed that rather graphic scene, if it's going to get that borderline you should leave it as a link with an NSFW warning.

 

Censor... :D Fair enough.

 

TRIGGER WARNING (if this is even allowed to apply to men). It's comic strip about a woman raping a man and then telling him to "man up", it's sort of graphic NSFW:

 

http://s23.postimg.org/45i39zfbf/CAXDa_Vi_Uw_AA2ys_T.jpg

http://s23.postimg.org/jofj73nm3/CAXDa_Vg_Ug_AATxuz.jpg

http://s14.postimg.org/l3qzlzugx/CAXDa_Vi_VAAAoehc.jpg

 

There was quite the outrage over that scene at the time it came out.

[Fighter]

There was quite the outrage over that scene at the time it came out.

 

Do you know who the characters are?

[Meshugger]

 

 

I removed that rather graphic scene, if it's going to get that borderline you should leave it as a link with an NSFW warning.

 

Censor... :D Fair enough.

 

TRIGGER WARNING (if this is even allowed to apply to men). It's comic strip about a woman raping a man and then telling him to "man up", it's sort of graphic NSFW:

 

http://s23.postimg.org/45i39zfbf/CAXDa_Vi_Uw_AA2ys_T.jpg

http://s23.postimg.org/jofj73nm3/CAXDa_Vg_Ug_AATxuz.jpg

http://s14.postimg.org/l3qzlzugx/CAXDa_Vi_VAAAoehc.jpg

 

There was quite the outrage over that scene at the time it came out.

 

 

Outrage of too little nudity/lewdness? In that case i can relate. 

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

There was quite the outrage over that scene at the time it came out.

 

 

Do you know who the characters are?

Invincible and an alien whose name I can't recall. She raped him because she needed to reproduce and didn't want to have sex with a human.

 

Reposting

 

 

Why does a cover showcasing the brutal beating and murder of a teenage boy not generate the same outrage?

[Oerwinde]

Batgirl has PTSD from that encounter with the Joker. She was paralyzed for years. The cover didn't insinuate that she needed a man to save her. And DC has a much bigger history of raping male characters anyway.

[Nonek]

 

Why does a cover showcasing the brutal beating and murder of a teenage boy not generate the same outrage?

 

 

I suppose the subtext is that men are disposable, while women are to be protected and shielded from any harm that a man may encounter. A fairly typical white knight reaction that demeans women who are strong, usually propagated by those whom do not know any or have unhealthy relationships with women, such as virgin sycophants and those whom are so pathetic as to have to pay for their attention, through striptease and prostitution. They will cheerfully and hypocritically say that they stand up for women, while sustaining and adding to the abuse they suffer.

Edited March 18, 2015 by Nonek

[Meshugger]

^ I c wat ya did thar

[Volourn]

"I don't have a problem with those types of pictures  because for me in our society there isn't really a major problem with men  being physically or emotionally  abused and dominated by women . "
 

This is why SJWs are racists exist nazis.  The fact you have no issues with males being raped, murdered, and abused physically or emotionally shows how brainwashed and how hrorible your world view. In the real world - not the SJW world - males are just as likely if not more so be the victims of abuse, assault, and the like than women.

 

Problem is that for most people - thanks in large part to both SJWs AND sexist males - view females as weak and pathetic children who need to be treated liek little children while males are treated as nothing but  money and sperm donors that can then be thrown in the trash once used up. I for one think this is disgusting. Women are grown adults who should be treated as such. Men are human beings and should be treated as such.

 

But, patriarchy. L0L

Edited March 18, 2015 by Volourn

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

Looks like Doomsday wants in on the action too.

[HoonDing]

Stop raping Batman.