Ganrich Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 So, a few things I would like to add. 1) http://www.zenofdesign.com/in-which-i-acknowledge-and-apologize/ I don't agree with Damion Schubert on many things, but this is pretty amazing. Also: http://www.gamepolitics.com/2014/11/11/long-overdue-correction-and-apology-brad-wardell#.VGKie8lbTII I can respect anyone that publicly state that they were wrong on such a grievous issue. I have heard some others apologized, but didn't find the articles. Admittedly, I am being lazy, and I want to actually play some video games today. 2) Stephen Totilo said they are no longer agreeing to embargoes that keep reviews from releasing until launch day. Apparently, the AC Unity Embargo kept a review from launching until 12pm (not sure which time zone). This was well after the midnight release. Here is his article on the topic: http://kotaku.com/regarding-post-release-review-embargoes-yesterday-i-1657482663/all It doesn't mean that they won't still sign embargoes, but at least this can potentially keep them from being silenced for half the day of launch. 3) TB is awesome, and I agree with the pic from above. 4) Also, I love Double Dragon. Sue me. 5) I was listening to music earlier while reading this thread and poking through twitter reading the GG goings on, and this song stood out. It seems somewhat relevant. Lyrics are in the video if you can't understand him. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 ****, someone I know has been trying to get me into Clucth and now I may have to listen to them. 1 "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "I'm gonna hunt you down so that I can slap you square in the mouth." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "Am I phrasing in the most negative light for them? Yes, but it's not untrue." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 ****, someone I know has been trying to get me into Clucth and now I may have to listen to them. Is a bit too southern country rock for my taste. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ganrich Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) Most of their stuff is blues-centric actually. Neil Fallon's vocals are the big issue for most people. You grow to love his voice, or hate it. I will link some of their different stuff in the music thread so we can keep this one on topic. http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/69240-music-must-go-on/ EDIT: Fallon's lyrics are also amazing. Just saying. Edited November 12, 2014 by Ganrich Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 (edited) "I don't agree with Damion Schubert on many things, but this is pretty amazing." \He's a piece of crap and his fake 'apology' proves it. Not to mention the close of comment. He's too much of coward to face his punishment for being a doo doo brian. Also, James Fudge's last name is fitting. Another scumbag. "Receiving review copies is a professional courtesy afforded to us by game creators both big and small. It's not a right," 100% right on. "We nevertheless also think it would be a courtesy for publishers to allow any reviews based on early copies to be published in time with a game's release, not a minute later, not 12 hours after a midnight launch." 100% wrong. The demands these pieces of crap make are hilarious. They owe you NOTHING. Edited November 12, 2014 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shallow Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 So the whole GG scandal began 3 months ago, what would you say are its biggest achievements so far ? In other words how would you dispute a view that said " GG hasn't accomplished much and never will " We've made our people aware of better alternatives, which means even when this ends we'll never ever be looking at reviews from the sites we're fighting now, we've gotten a few sites I expect we'd otherwise be fighting to adapt acceptable ethics policies, though we've yet to see if they follow them, and we're bleeding the sites we're fighting of advertisers by showing the advertisers what terrible people they are. We've accomplished part 1 of the 3 things I said we needed to accomplish regarding games journalism, we're well on our way with part two, I haven't seen much work on part 3 yet, but part 3 is the hard part. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 I'm still confused about the idea that anyone takes gaming websites seriously when it comes to reviews. That just boggles my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shallow Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 I'm still confused about the idea that anyone takes gaming websites seriously when it comes to reviews. That just boggles my mind. Personally I haven't visited most of those websites ever, I've been to a couple of them one or twice though. But reviews still have power, think of that stuff with New Vegas and metacritic, granted I doubt New Vegas got bad reviews for not being progressive, but it still goes to show that reviewers hold some slight power. Besides, if you don't know other gamers and don't like to hang around forums, without reviews you'll have no way of finding out what the chances are that you'll like a game before buying it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 So the whole GG scandal began 3 months ago, what would you say are its biggest achievements so far ? In other words how would you dispute a view that said " GG hasn't accomplished much and never will " We've made our people aware of better alternatives, which means even when this ends we'll never ever be looking at reviews from the sites we're fighting now, we've gotten a few sites I expect we'd otherwise be fighting to adapt acceptable ethics policies, though we've yet to see if they follow them, and we're bleeding the sites we're fighting of advertisers by showing the advertisers what terrible people they are. We've accomplished part 1 of the 3 things I said we needed to accomplish regarding games journalism, we're well on our way with part two, I haven't seen much work on part 3 yet, but part 3 is the hard part. Okay and just be clear what are the better alternatives when it comes to gaming websites? As you know I use websites like RPS and Gamasutra but if there are other options that offer the same information I would be interested in hearing what they are. ( And of course there are dozens of gaming websites but I am looking for the ones endorsed by GG ) And final point question apart from Intel and Gamasutra what advertising has been pulled from any particular website due to the endeavours of GG? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shallow Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Okay and just be clear what are the better alternatives when it comes to gaming websites? As you know I use websites like RPS and Gamasutra but if there are other options that offer the same information I would be interested in hearing what they are. ( And of course there are dozens of gaming websites but I am looking for the ones endorsed by GG ) And final point question apart from Intel and Gamasutra what advertising has been pulled from any particular website due to the endeavours of GG? This site has a list of what it deems alternatives, I don't know about all of them, but the ones I've looked at seem alright. http://gamergate.me/approved/ I haven't been keeping track about which advertisers have dropped, so I can't say who, we've gotten a decent amount of advertisers out though. I'm sure someone here has been following that more actively than me, to get a quicker answer I'd advice asking at the 8chan gamergate board if you're able to stand the general atmosphere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 I'm still confused about the idea that anyone takes gaming websites seriously when it comes to reviews. That just boggles my mind. Yes, there are some people who haven't read enough articles to realize that these people are crazy. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longknife Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 I've never watch Anita's videos so I can't really say if she's reasonable or not. I get the impression she isn't though. Go ahead and give them a watch. It's a good exercise in seeing just how reasonable/unreasonable someone you disagree with is. "The Courier was the worst of all of them. The worst by far. When he died the first time, he must have met the devil, and then killed him." Is your mom hot? It may explain why guys were following her ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TrashMan Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Come on guys this old view that " words don't matter and you must just ignore them because its the Internet" is so pre-GG its actually hilarious that on this very thread people are making that point and expecting the rest of us to believe it One of the foundations of the creation of GG is about the insult associated with the word "gamers" and the outrage and offense that certain gamers felt. So lets stop suggesting that words are irrelevant because that's not how most of you who support GG have been acting There is one crucial difference here. This isn't some random Joe saying hurtful things. This is organized journalistic media engaging in a large smear campaign. This is people peddling serious accusations, and spreading lies to the public. This is people attempting large-scale censorship. This does bloody well effect a LOT of people and in a very bad way. * YOU ARE A WRONGULARITY FROM WHICH NO RIGHT CAN ESCAPE! *Chuck Norris was wrong once - He thought HE made a mistake! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Longknife Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 My god... http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2m16oi/polygon_accepted_750000_from_microsoft_to_create/ "The Courier was the worst of all of them. The worst by far. When he died the first time, he must have met the devil, and then killed him." Is your mom hot? It may explain why guys were following her ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirottu Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 My god... http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2m16oi/polygon_accepted_750000_from_microsoft_to_create/ Soggy-eggrolls posted this on the comments: This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
namelesshero Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Do you guys just brush off the fact that most devs are against you? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kirottu Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Milo really went balls to the wall with this one: http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/11/12/The-authoritarian-Left-was-on-course-to-win-the-culture-wars-then-along-came-GamerGate 2 This post is not to be enjoyed, discussed, or referenced on company time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 I'm still confused about the idea that anyone takes gaming websites seriously when it comes to reviews. That just boggles my mind. Personally I haven't visited most of those websites ever, I've been to a couple of them one or twice though. But reviews still have power, think of that stuff with New Vegas and metacritic, granted I doubt New Vegas got bad reviews for not being progressive, but it still goes to show that reviewers hold some slight power. Besides, if you don't know other gamers and don't like to hang around forums, without reviews you'll have no way of finding out what the chances are that you'll like a game before buying it. If a metacritic score determines whether a contract pays out a bonus then I'd say reviews matter. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fighter Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Do you guys just brush off the fact that most devs are against you? Are they? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 I'm still confused about the idea that anyone takes gaming websites seriously when it comes to reviews. That just boggles my mind. I'd say that statement, if anything, is a pretty clear indication that they should change and should have changed a long time ago. Do you guys just brush off the fact that most devs are against you? Even if that were true (it's not), here's a fun quote for you: “I’m a AAA producer. … I’m the one booking your flights, [paying for] your bar tabs, and spa treatments… We’re plying you with payola. We’re not just expecting you to not be impartial, we’re ****ing banking on it.” - Alex Lifschitz It is in most of AAA corporations' best interest to stick a feather up journalists' butts. That's why the most prominent supports of GamerGate have been either indies or anonymous. It's why Blizzard puts out statements that don't actually name anything so both sides can pretend it's supporting them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lexx Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Milo really went balls to the wall with this one: http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/11/12/The-authoritarian-Left-was-on-course-to-win-the-culture-wars-then-along-came-GamerGate So gg is right-wing and anti-gg is left-wing now? "only when you no-life you can exist forever, because what does not live cannot die." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 My god... http://www.reddit.com/r/KotakuInAction/comments/2m16oi/polygon_accepted_750000_from_microsoft_to_create/ That sounds like a fantastic business opportunity for Polygamygon. How could you possibly turn down $750,000 as a small gaming website? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorgon Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 True, but not really the point. Na na na na na na ... greg358 from Darksouls 3 PVP is a CHEATER. That is all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 Milo really went balls to the wall with this one: http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/11/12/The-authoritarian-Left-was-on-course-to-win-the-culture-wars-then-along-came-GamerGate So gg is right-wing and anti-gg is left-wing now? That may be what Milo likes to espouse (as a scavenger who is just piggybacking on #GamerGate for publicity) but that's not accurate. The only serious polling has shown that the vast majority of pro #GamerGate participants are left-leaning, just like the vast majority of anti #GamerGate participants. The difference was mostly the axis of libertarian vs authoritarian, with the pros being libertarian and the antis being authoritarian. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Meshugger Posted November 12, 2014 Share Posted November 12, 2014 He even calls GG a libertanian phenomenon in the article, but never mentions the individual political leanings of the participants. I would say that is a fair description of it. "Some men see things as they are and say why?""I dream things that never were and say why not?"- George Bernard Shaw"Hope in reality is the worst of all evils because it prolongs the torments of man."- Friedrich Nietzsche "The amount of energy necessary to refute bull**** is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it." - Some guy Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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