Drama in indy gaming and games journalism part 2

[Malcador]

Damn humanities students.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

@Oerwinde, I just wanted to let you know that every time I see your banner I think:

 

Constructicons - "The Constructicons form Devastator, the most powerful robot. We should rule!"

Soundwave - "Soundwave superior. Constructicons inferior."

Constructicons - "Nobody would follow an uncharismatic bore like you!"

Rumble - "Hey! Nobody calls Soundwave unchrasimatic!"

Frenzy - "Yeah! Let's kick tailgate!"

 

Just thought that needed to be said.

 

On topic: Daniel Vavra is my hero. They irony with the gaming press is that few of them have live in a socialist society. Perhaps they should listen to someone that has.

I find the people with the strongest opinions on something are often unfamiliar with it. Not to mention here in the USA, socialism is conflated with various welfare programs and the whole state ownership of means of production bit is largely ignored.

 

As to the interview, I agree with him. The SJWs seem to have a big problem with artistic freedom when stuff they don't like is portrayed. I think people should create a whatever they want to myself, and if I don't like it I will not bother with it. Plenty of games out there for me as is, I don't need to force others to change their vision into what I deem acceptable. Although seeing as my avatar is a shapeshifting monster that eats children, what I find acceptable is probably much different than most.

[Ganrich]

 

@Oerwinde, I just wanted to let you know that every time I see your banner I think:

Constructicons - "The Constructicons form Devastator, the most powerful robot. We should rule!"

Soundwave - "Soundwave superior. Constructicons inferior."

Constructicons - "Nobody would follow an uncharismatic bore like you!"

Rumble - "Hey! Nobody calls Soundwave unchrasimatic!"

Frenzy - "Yeah! Let's kick tailgate!"

Just thought that needed to be said.

On topic: Daniel Vavra is my hero. They irony with the gaming press is that few of them have live in a socialist society. Perhaps they should listen to someone that has.

I find the people with the strongest opinions on something are often unfamiliar with it. Not to mention here in the USA, socialism is conflated with various welfare programs and the whole state ownership of means of production bit is largely ignored.

As to the interview, I agree with him. The SJWs seem to have a big problem with artistic freedom when stuff they don't like is portrayed. I think people should create a whatever they want to myself, and if I don't like it I will not bother with it. Plenty of games out there for me as is, I don't need to force others to change their vision into what I deem acceptable. Although seeing as my avatar is a shapeshifting monster that eats children, what I find acceptable is probably much different than most.

I agree with this sentiment. You never understand how deep the rabbit hole can go unless you have been to the bottom.

 

I agree that all art should be allowed, and that SJWs should not be able to dictate what gets created by censoring what they do not like. If a person's art is more socially acceptable then it will do well. Cream rises to the top, as it were. However, not allowing art because of controversial topics is stepping on ones liberties to create it.

 

I do find it odd that when mentioned in many of these articles it is said that Sarkeesian is trying to fight "negative" portrayals of women in games. They go on to say this will allow more variety in games when it comes to portraying women. I have one question... How can removing artistic options of portraying women lead to more variety? I will admit that over sexualization and "damsel in distress" are a bit overused, but banishing them removes variety. If you have 100 ways to write women in a story and a group decides that 25 of those options are sexist then you now have 75 ways. That is less variety in my eyes.

 

It reminds me of a Lynyrd Skynyrd song "All I can do is write about it". The song is about the growth of cities treading on nature and destroying that beauty. The song is trying to make people realize that some parts of our civilization aren't for the best, but that all you can do is try and make people aware of it and hope that helps the situation. That is what these people should be doing. They shouldn't be striking people who go against their philosophy, but trying to show people how it can be done. They should be making games that show these ideals. Not giving bad reviews to games that don't conform to that ideology, not mudslinging, not attacking their fan base for disagreeing, etc. You catch more flies with honey.

Edited September 12, 2014 by Ganrich

[Fighter]

Oh snap.

 

[Blarghagh]

 

http://techraptor.net/2014/09/12/interview-daniel-vavra/

 

Tech Raptor interview Daniel Vavra. Two thumps up for his Laughing Man shirt.

Its sad that they needed a disclaimer. There was nothing controversial, unless you count truth as controversial.

 

 

Damn, this article is a pretty scathing condemnation. It might as well be titled "Hardcore social justice crowd dissuades devs from becoming more inclusive".

[Fighter]

[licketysplit]

This whole mess is producing a lot of creative gems.

[Ganrich]

That video has a man at the forefront. It is sexist. I am not amused.

[Fighter]

The video is actually from 2013 but fits nicely.

[Longknife]

The video is actually from 2013 but fits nicely.

2013 saw a video with a man at the forefront. 2013 is obviously misogynistic and should be stricken from the history books.

[Chaz]

Hey guys, there have been articles floating around the internet saying that #gamergate and #notyourshield are hate movements of straight white male misogynists, nothing could be further from the truth.

[kirottu]

http://theralphretort.com/gamergate-exposes-leigh-alexander-part-2/

 

Leigh Alexander is not a nice person.

[Calax]

http://theralphretort.com/gamergate-exposes-leigh-alexander-part-2/

 

Leigh Alexander is not a nice person.

Shhh, you'll summon the demon of hate that she is to this forum...

 

Although it would be fun to watch her get moderated straight back off.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

http://theralphretort.com/gamergate-exposes-leigh-alexander-part-2/

 

Leigh Alexander is not a nice person.

I feel sorry for someone that full of hate. Good to know that the SJWs are showing their true colors though.

[BruceVC]

 

http://theralphretort.com/gamergate-exposes-leigh-alexander-part-2/

 

Leigh Alexander is not a nice person.

I feel sorry for someone that full of hate. Good to know that the SJWs are showing their true colors though.

 

 

Maybe you guys should create a thread dedicated to men where  some of you can openly dismiss and make a mockery of gender equality under the guise that it is " satire" and "just a joke" so you are free from moderation. That not a bad idea, oh wait...you already have a thread like that

[Shallow]

 

 

http://theralphretort.com/gamergate-exposes-leigh-alexander-part-2/

 

Leigh Alexander is not a nice person.

I feel sorry for someone that full of hate. Good to know that the SJWs are showing their true colors though.

 

 

Maybe you guys should create a thread dedicated to men where  some of you can openly dismiss and make a mockery of gender equality under the guise that it is " satire" and "just a joke" so you are free from moderation. That not a bad idea, oh wait...you already have a thread like that

 

We do? I only thought we had the secret patriarchy headquarters, I didn't know a genius here had gotten around to figuring out how to dismiss the evil gender equality. Also, the severity of the actions of some don't lessen the severity of the actions of others.

[Bos_hybrid]

 

 

http://theralphretort.com/gamergate-exposes-leigh-alexander-part-2/

 

Leigh Alexander is not a nice person.

I feel sorry for someone that full of hate. Good to know that the SJWs are showing their true colors though.

 

 

Maybe you guys should create a thread dedicated to men where  some of you can openly dismiss and make a mockery of gender equality under the guise that it is " satire" and "just a joke" so you are free from moderation. That not a bad idea, oh wait...you already have a thread like that

 

 

What does that have to do with what you quoted?

[kirottu]

http://skeptischism.com/periscopedepth/2014/09/12/gamergate-next-phase-social-engineering/

 

The agenda driven ideologues don’t actually want to make games that tell stories of the marginalized. If they did, they could create their own. No, what they want is rapid (instant) power and status in the existing game development structure. They want power and influence over content and message because games are just another form of media to promulgate their agenda. The SJW method is an end run around merit or talent to get to the powerful positions in the industry.

 

The method is similar to that used in the atheist community. Criticize the existing structure from a biased perspective, block or disable dissenting opinions and discussion, wait for the inevitable trollish hatred and nasty comments, display the troll comments as proof of the initial problem, rinse and repeat. Click bait journalists eat this stuff up since it makes the page counter spin and they will publish the trolling as news, often completely overlooking the dozens or hundreds of reasoned rebuttals of the initial criticisms.

 

The SJW’s want power, control and the ability to spout their message without critique.

This blog post puts all SWJ's in the same bag, but other than that I think it's spot on.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

 

 

 

 

http://theralphretort.com/gamergate-exposes-leigh-alexander-part-2/

 

Leigh Alexander is not a nice person.

I feel sorry for someone that full of hate. Good to know that the SJWs are showing their true colors though.

Maybe you guys should create a thread dedicated to men where some of you can openly dismiss and make a mockery of gender equality under the guise that it is " satire" and "just a joke" so you are free from moderation. That not a bad idea, oh wait...you already have a thread like that

What does that have to do with what you quoted?

Nothing.

[Malcador]

Maybe you guys should create a thread dedicated to men where  some of you can openly dismiss and make a mockery of gender equality under the guise that it is " satire" and "just a joke" so you are free from moderation. That not a bad idea, oh wait...you already have a thread like that

Moderators here seem cool with the thread, I guess they don't see everyone's sinister intentions like you do. If they remain to be, well, deal with it.

[Keyrock]

http://theralphretort.com/gamergate-exposes-leigh-alexander-part-2/

 

Leigh Alexander is not a nice person.

I'll take most of what's in that blog with a grain of salt, since it's a bunch of cherry picked tweets and without the full context of each of those individual scenarios it's impossible for me to make any sort of informed judgement.  With that said, under no circumstance is doxxing someone or advocating doxxing someone okay.  That's really ****ed up and insanely unprofessional.

Edited September 15, 2014 by Keyrock

[Malcador]

Alexander seems to have mental issues, from her twitter (but then so does everyone).

[Elerond]

Maybe somewhat interesting statistics about gaming media outlets

https://storify.com/MorganRamsay/how-often-do-video-game-journalists-write-about-fe

[Blarghagh]

That's interesting. Honestly, I'm beginning to wonder if some of the journalists pulled this stunt because they themselves are pooping their pants just as much as the developers are. With the exception of perhaps Ms. Alexander, I wonder how many of them are posting these things because they will become a target if they don't, such as Stardock CEO Brad Wardell:

 

http://www.littletinyfrogs.com/article/457741/GamerGatethe_free_ride_is_over

Stardock's CEO Brad Wardell claims being harassed for years by cliques focused on social justice.

 

 

 

No, the reason I was targeted is because SJWs, the people who now represent the bulk of the “anti-#GamerGate” crowd, are perfectly comfortable with harassment and abuse as long as it’s the right people doing the harassment and abuse: Themselves.

 

Emphasis his.

[Malcador]

Probably leftover from his sexual harassment suit a while ago. Not surprising if it were for otherwise.