Drama in indy gaming and games journalism part 2

[BruceVC]

I agree with Bruce here. Not enough information can be gleaned from the website images. She could have, upon payment, split a percentage into another account with a different name and forwarded it from there.

 

Her taking down the promise of donating is very suspicious though. As is her silence on the matter. I have to wait and see if more comes out on the issue before forming an opinion.

 

I really wish she would go away as she isn't pertinent to the issue anymore, but was only catalyst for the whole debacle.

 

I agree with this sentiment, she has become the core focus for many people  on all things relevant around gender equality. And she is doing more harm than good because of all the controversies associated with her

 

I would much rather hear about how TFYC received there funding than something Zoe did or didn't do.

 

But I suppose Zoe is still a talking point because of the history around how this whole furore began

[Namutree]

 

I agree with Bruce here. Not enough information can be gleaned from the website images. She could have, upon payment, split a percentage into another account with a different name and forwarded it from there.

 

Her taking down the promise of donating is very suspicious though. As is her silence on the matter. I have to wait and see if more comes out on the issue before forming an opinion.

 

I really wish she would go away as she isn't pertinent to the issue anymore, but was only catalyst for the whole debacle.

 

I agree with this sentiment, she has become the core focus for many people  on all things relevant around gender equality. And she is doing more harm than good because of all the controversies associated with her

 

I would much rather hear about how TFYC received there funding than something Zoe did or didn't do.

 

But I suppose Zoe is still a talking point because of the history around how this whole furore began

 

It is cool that TFYC got the funding they needed. They are an example for those who want women or others to be better represented in game design.

[BruceVC]

 

 

I agree with Bruce here. Not enough information can be gleaned from the website images. She could have, upon payment, split a percentage into another account with a different name and forwarded it from there.

 

Her taking down the promise of donating is very suspicious though. As is her silence on the matter. I have to wait and see if more comes out on the issue before forming an opinion.

 

I really wish she would go away as she isn't pertinent to the issue anymore, but was only catalyst for the whole debacle.

 

I agree with this sentiment, she has become the core focus for many people  on all things relevant around gender equality. And she is doing more harm than good because of all the controversies associated with her

 

I would much rather hear about how TFYC received there funding than something Zoe did or didn't do.

 

But I suppose Zoe is still a talking point because of the history around how this whole furore began

 

It is cool that TFYC got the funding they needed. They are an example for those who want women or others to be better represented in game design.

 

 

Absolutely, I concur sir

[Longknife]

I agree with Bruce here. Not enough information can be gleaned from the website images. She could have, upon payment, split a percentage into another account with a different name and forwarded it from there.

 

Her taking down the promise of donating is very suspicious though. As is her silence on the matter. I have to wait and see if more comes out on the issue before forming an opinion.

 

 

I'm just waiting for news to come out that they found a bloodied knife and a corpse under the crawl space of her house and you guys start saying "that could be ANYONE'S knife and corpse, we don't know for sure. Maybe someone who doesn't like her and was depressed decided to commit suicide and got under her crawl space first before doing so!"

Edited September 12, 2014 by Longknife

[Lexx]

Technically that could be possible.

[Blarghagh]

If this is true, I'm going to laugh so hard.

 

[Shallow]

If this is true, I'm going to laugh so hard.

 

You finally get why the patriarchy used their puppets Anita and Zoe to destroy the evil 4chan...

[Orogun01]

I really keep hoping those statistics are a false, because if they are true that means there is a bunch crazy women on the internet calling each other ****.
They should do one for each board and see which one has the highest female population...if it's /d/ i'm turning into a monk.

[Fighter]

The treatment of TFYC is where the real corruption really shows up imo. Games' media are not giving them any coverage because their persecuted posterchild and her buddies have a personal beef with TFYC. There is a clique of specific type of social justice advocates in and outside of these websites who decide what is acceptable to receive coverage and what is not regardless of where the real interest of their readers lie.

 

If this is true, I'm going to laugh so hard.

 

It may be. One is a gaming website and the other is a free for all forum where you can engage in all manner of gossip. No matter what some overall statistic looks like gaming enthusiasts still tend to be mostly male.

[Malcador]

Apparently Quinn released a screenshot of paypal email confirmations that she paid, though some people are doubting that as the charity doesn't have a PayPal to it and redirects to their parent charity.

 

Neat thing these dogs are doing is a Twitter account scraping the Wizardchan forums, as it is a forum for neckbearded virgins and was mean to "Zoe" (the f**k do people use her first name for, anyway).

[Shallow]

Apparently Quinn released a screenshot of paypal email confirmations that she paid, though some people are doubting that as the charity doesn't have a PayPal to it and redirects to their parent charity.

 

Neat thing these dogs are doing is a Twitter account scraping the Wizardchan forums, as it is a forum for neckbearded virgins and was mean to "Zoe" (the f**k do people use her first name for, anyway).

Isn't the first name like the standard thing to call someone? Is there really a point in adding a last name when everyone knows who you're talking about?

[Malcador]

I've always used last name unless I have an acquaintance with them or better. As 47 said "names are for friends"

[Elerond]

If this is true, I'm going to laugh so hard.

 

 

 

 

 

4chan.org's current site visitor demographics don't necessary correspond what is their long time visitor demographics.

 

Given that we even trust in first place alexa's robots. And I am also interest to know what is their "internet average" in actual numbers instead of vague term that could be anything.

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/4chan.org

 

This I did for just for fun of it

 

 

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/forums.obsidian.net

http://www.alexa.com/siteinfo/forum.bioware.com

Edited September 12, 2014 by Elerond

[Lexx]

Wasn't Alexa only tracking people who have their spyware installed? No idea if that changed by now, but a few years ago that was the case.

[pseudonymous]

 

she is doing more harm than good because of all the controversies associated with her

 

 

If the wonderful human being in the following not quite safe for work video, castigating a man in Toronto who dared visit a seminar on the parental rights of men last year, didn't put an end to modern "feminism" than Ms. Quinn won't do any harm either.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nvYyGTmcP80&t=2m47s

Equality, what's that?

 

 

I really keep hoping those statistics are a false, because if they are true that means there is a bunch crazy women on the internet calling each other ****.
 

 

That IS how women talk about other women.

[Gorgon]

My theory is that there are fewer people here who pretend to be women than on 4chan. In the end it's a zero sum game. There are no women on the internets. 

[HoonDing]

When will this nonsense blow over?

[Gorgon]

When people stop commenting on it, like you and I are doing now for instance. 

[Ganrich]

 

I agree with Bruce here. Not enough information can be gleaned from the website images. She could have, upon payment, split a percentage into another account with a different name and forwarded it from there.

Her taking down the promise of donating is very suspicious though. As is her silence on the matter. I have to wait and see if more comes out on the issue before forming an opinion.

 

 

 

I'm just waiting for news to come out that they found a bloodied knife and a corpse under the crawl space of her house and you guys start saying "that could be ANYONE'S knife and corpse, we don't know for sure. Maybe someone who doesn't like her and was depressed decided to commit suicide and got under her crawl space first before doing so!"

If it is a longknife then I will definitely be skeptical.

 

The media keeps using her as a jumping point to scream misogyny. They keep bringing her up and they will keep doing so. The best thing most of the #Gamergate crowd can do is ignore her, and keep to the issue of nepotism and dishonesty in the media. As the more we discuss her the more ammunition it potentially gives that media.

 

Let's say the media are trying to discredit the movement. A good way to do that is to leave false trails around ZQ and call misogyny every time they are used against her. Leaving her be is the best thing this movement can do. Sarkesian (sp?) as well. Those 2 are not important. They are landmines with purpose. They are a part of the whole though. Kill the head of the snake and the body dies. These 2 women are anything but the head. More like the tail. If the movement changes the media's issues then ZQ and sarkesian(sp?) will fade anyway... Well ZQ for sure.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

 

 

I agree with Bruce here. Not enough information can be gleaned from the website images. She could have, upon payment, split a percentage into another account with a different name and forwarded it from there.

Her taking down the promise of donating is very suspicious though. As is her silence on the matter. I have to wait and see if more comes out on the issue before forming an opinion.

 

 

I'm just waiting for news to come out that they found a bloodied knife and a corpse under the crawl space of her house and you guys start saying "that could be ANYONE'S knife and corpse, we don't know for sure. Maybe someone who doesn't like her and was depressed decided to commit suicide and got under her crawl space first before doing so!"

If it is a longknife then I will definitely be skeptical.

 

The media keeps using her as a jumping point to scream misogyny. They keep bringing her up and they will keep doing so. The best thing most of the #Gamergate crowd can do is ignore her, and keep to the issue of nepotism and dishonesty in the media. As the more we discuss her the more ammunition it potentially gives that media.

 

Let's say the media are trying to discredit the movement. A good way to do that is to leave false trails around ZQ and call misogyny every time they are used against her. Leaving her be is the best thing this movement can do. Sarkesian (sp?) as well. Those 2 are not important. They are landmines with purpose. They are a part of the whole though. Kill the head of the snake and the body dies. These 2 women are anything but the head. More like the tail. If the movement changes the media's issues then ZQ and sarkesian(sp?) will fade anyway... Well ZQ for sure.

 

Stop reducing women to "tail", sub-human male.

[kirottu]

http://techraptor.net/2014/09/12/interview-daniel-vavra/

 

Tech Raptor interview Daniel Vavra. Two thumps up for his Laughing Man shirt.

[Oerwinde]

http://techraptor.net/2014/09/12/interview-daniel-vavra/

 

Tech Raptor interview Daniel Vavra. Two thumps up for his Laughing Man shirt.

Its sad that they needed a disclaimer. There was nothing controversial, unless you count truth as controversial.

[Namutree]

And they will never be happy. If you don’t have a gay character in your game, you are homophobic, if you do have gay character in your game, you are homophobic, because they don’t like the character. If women in your game look good, you are sexist, if they look bad, you are sexist, if you can fight with them, you are misogynistic, if you can’t fight with them, you are using them as objects, if you don’t have any women, because there is no correct way how to have them, you are misogynistic.

It’s a witch hunt and it’s affecting my artistic freedom.

[Ganrich]

@Oerwinde, I just wanted to let you know that every time I see your banner I think:

 

Constructicons - "The Constructicons form Devastator, the most powerful robot. We should rule!"

Soundwave - "Soundwave superior. Constructicons inferior."

Constructicons - "Nobody would follow an uncharismatic bore like you!"

Rumble - "Hey! Nobody calls Soundwave unchrasimatic!"

Frenzy - "Yeah! Let's kick tailgate!"

 

Just thought that needed to be said.

 

On topic: Daniel Vavra is my hero. They irony with the gaming press is that few of them have live in a socialist society. Perhaps they should listen to someone that has.

[Fighter]

 

And they will never be happy. If you don’t have a gay character in your game, you are homophobic, if you do have gay character in your game, you are homophobic, because they don’t like the character. If women in your game look good, you are sexist, if they look bad, you are sexist, if you can fight with them, you are misogynistic, if you can’t fight with them, you are using them as objects, if you don’t have any women, because there is no correct way how to have them, you are misogynistic.

It’s a witch hunt and it’s affecting my artistic freedom.

 

 

And it's true. Even Rhianna Pratchett gets crap from feminists for Lara Croft. "She's still too sexy, she's not strong enough, she has a male mentor figure, her death scenes are too violent, OMG "rape" scene, etc." I can only imagine if Rhianna Pratchett was a man.