Excellent read on more progressive games

[BruceVC]

http://midnightresistance.co.uk/articles/****ty-toys

 

Guys please read this article that discusses several pertinent issues that we often raise like the privilege that white, straight males have in modern society, there influence in gaming, the definition of censorship  and also how games should  be more inclusive.

 

But its not a guilt trip, I think the author makes some cogent and thought- provoking points. Don't get put off by the first paragraph, the journalist offers some real insights

 

I don't agree with everything he says but most of it makes sense, what do you think?

[aluminiumtrioxid]

 

 

 Let's talk about censorship.

When people criticise developers like Ubisoft for not including female playable characters in a game like Assassin's Creed: Unity, it does not prevent the game from being made! Nobody is forcing anyone to include female characters! There is not some guerilla army of political correctness enforcers waiting to round up and destroy game discs because of their bull**** content! Politically unempowered groups - such as feminists in gaming culture - cannot force change on anyone, because THEY ARE UNEMPOWERED!

 

Pretty much this.

[BruceVC]

 

 Let's talk about censorship.

When people criticise developers like Ubisoft for not including female playable characters in a game like Assassin's Creed: Unity, it does not prevent the game from being made! Nobody is forcing anyone to include female characters! There is not some guerilla army of political correctness enforcers waiting to round up and destroy game discs because of their bull**** content! Politically unempowered groups - such as feminists in gaming culture - cannot force change on anyone, because THEY ARE UNEMPOWERED!

 

Pretty much this.

 

 

I agree, for me this is one of the numerous insights he makes

[Monte Carlo]

Rude, poorly written, shouty and full of straw-man arguments. D Minus.

[Majek]

If BVC recommends something it must be crap. Not even opening that page.

[BruceVC]

If BVC recommends something it must be crap. Not even opening that page.

 

I can't believe you really think that

[Monte Carlo]

No, it's a pretty cogent POV.

[Volourn]

"Guys please read this article that discusses several pertinent issues that we often raise like the privilege that white, straight males have in modern society, there influence in gaming, the definition of censorship  and also how games should  be more inclusive.

 

But its not a guilt trip, I think the author makes some cogent and thought- provoking points. Don't get put off by the first paragraph, the journalist offers some real insights

 

I don't agree with everything he says but most of it makes sense, what do you think?"
 

Read another anti Volourn article? I get it. I get. I am evil.   I have enslaved many people, I make billions of dollars, and I get everything I want. You know. Prviledge and all that ****. People hating me simply because I happen to be white and male are evil pieces of crap. hate me because you  think I'm a troll (I'm not) is fine. Hating me ebcause I'm white male sie vil so why so evil Bruce?

[BruceVC]

"Guys please read this article that discusses several pertinent issues that we often raise like the privilege that white, straight males have in modern society, there influence in gaming, the definition of censorship  and also how games should  be more inclusive.

 

But its not a guilt trip, I think the author makes some cogent and thought- provoking points. Don't get put off by the first paragraph, the journalist offers some real insights

 

I don't agree with everything he says but most of it makes sense, what do you think?"

 

Read another anti Volourn article? I get it. I get. I am evil.   I have enslaved many people, I make billions of dollars, and I get everything I want. You know. Prviledge and all that ****. People hating me simply because I happen to be white and male are evil pieces of crap. hate me because you  think I'm a troll (I'm not) is fine. Hating me ebcause I'm white male sie vil so why so evil Bruce?

 

 

Volo please try to be serious, did you read the article ?

[Orogun01]

I dislike the concept of "privilege" as defined by crazy SJW/Feminists, it seems to me that the thing that actually matters is inheritance where you directly profited from your ancestor's hard work. That's what I understand as privilege, not the implication that if someone white happens to be great then it must be because of a reason extraneous to him/her. If they want to excuse their failings as the world's fault, that's ok but I would really appreciate if they stopped dragging people in and they stopped shoving it on our faces.
Go do something great and become great instead of complaining about how good other people have it because they were born into it.

[HoonDing]

Midnight resistance.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

Getting called an evil rapist pig, must be Thursday.

[Orogun01]

Getting called an evil rapist pig, must be Thursday.

That's what you get for putting your name on the Attractive women's thread.

[Hiro Protagonist II]

I don't agree with everything he says

 

What points don't you agree with?

[Malcador]

If you choose to fill your game with oppressive ****, you are telling the world that you approve of oppressive ****.

So, no more 'dark' settings then?

[BruceVC]

 

I don't agree with everything he says

 

What points don't you agree with?

 

 

Good question, he mentions for example

 

"forgettable white guy shooting people in the face and rescusing babes in bikinis. Nobody is going to take that Dionysian joy away from you, except yourself, when you grow up"

 

I think he is generalizing and simplifying why people play certain games. What's wrong with playing a game just for the entertainment factor? Everything doesn't have to be a about a statement. Also its condescending to suggest that people who play certain games are juvenile. The mindless entertainment could be a way escapism from the pressures of RL so we shouldn't judge

[AwesomeOcelot]

a) This person has never heard of the phrase "self censorship".

 

b) Anyone using the phrase "people of colour" is an idiot, apparently doesn't even have the excuse of being American.

 

c) Virtual boobs of fictional characters in video games are not "oppressing" anyone.

 

d) I was lied to, there is no discussion in this article only a buzzword laden rant about some bull**** on social media sites.

[BruceVC]

 

If you choose to fill your game with oppressive ****, you are telling the world that you approve of oppressive ****.

So, no more 'dark' settings then?

 

 

That's a good point Malc, his statement doesn't make sense. And in fact could inhibit the creative process around gaming. Because what is the definition of "oppressive", its subjective

[Gromnir]

there ain't enough games that cater to 40-something, self-important native american lawyers.  so, fight the dominant paradigm. hasta la victoria siempre, fifty-four forty or fight. etc.  

 

uh, what?

 

stupid article.

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

ps to alter content for naive notions that doing so benefits a disfranchised group or necessarily promotes a social agenda that demands attention strikes us as profoundly myopic and more than a little insulting

Edited June 30, 2014 by Gromnir

[Oerwinde]

I couldn't finish reading it. Douche is the word that comes to mind.

[BruceVC]

there ain't enough games that cater to 40-something, self-important native american lawyers.  so, fight the dominant paradigm. hasta la victoria siempre, fifty-four forty or fight. etc.  

 

uh, what?

 

stupid article.

 

HA! Good Fun!

 

ps to alter content for naive notions that doing so benefits a disfranchised group or necessarily promotes a social agenda that demands attention strikes us as profoundly myopic and more than a little insulting

 

I have to honest, I was perhaps a bit premature to say the article was "excellent"

 

I do find it interesting and it does raise good points but I am also finding several flaws in the writers thinking process

Edited June 30, 2014 by BruceVC

[Hiro Protagonist II]

Good question, he mentions for example

 

"forgettable white guy shooting people in the face and rescusing babes in bikinis. Nobody is going to take that Dionysian joy away from you, except yourself, when you grow up"

 

I think he is generalizing and simplifying why people play certain games. What's wrong with playing a game just for the entertainment factor? Everything doesn't have to be a about a statement. Also its condescending to suggest that people who play certain games are juvenile. The mindless entertainment could be a way escapism from the pressures of RL so we shouldn't judge

 

 

You're okay with the guy playing hero and rescuing babes in bikinis? I'll direct you to this site: Tropes vs Women in Video Games

[BruceVC]

 

Good question, he mentions for example

 

"forgettable white guy shooting people in the face and rescusing babes in bikinis. Nobody is going to take that Dionysian joy away from you, except yourself, when you grow up"

 

I think he is generalizing and simplifying why people play certain games. What's wrong with playing a game just for the entertainment factor? Everything doesn't have to be a about a statement. Also its condescending to suggest that people who play certain games are juvenile. The mindless entertainment could be a way escapism from the pressures of RL so we shouldn't judge

 

 

You're okay with the guy playing hero and rescuing babes in bikinis? I'll direct you to this site: Tropes vs Women in Video Games

 

 

That's a good link, but no I'm not necessarily saying that rescuing babes in bikinis is wrong or right

 

I'm saying that there are several reasons why someone may play a game like this and its not all about someone being juvenile

[Hiro Protagonist II]

I couldn't finish reading it. Douche is the word that comes to mind.

 

I couldn't finish it either. It came across as a bit of a mindless rant with a lot of shouting. Note to the author: If you want to get your point across, SHOUTING at your audience doesn't help. And while **** may not seem like a swear word to some people, others may find it offensive. Other words can be used instead with dramatic effect and may have more of an impact to readers without offending anyone.

[BruceVC]

 

I couldn't finish reading it. Douche is the word that comes to mind.

 

I couldn't finish it either. It came across as a bit of a mindless rant with a lot of shouting. Note to the author: If you want to get your point across, SHOUTING at your audience doesn't help. And while **** may not seem like a swear word to some people, others may find it offensive. Other words can be used instead with dramatic effect and may have more of an impact to readers without offending anyone.

 

 

I never knew you were so sensitive Hiro?

 

I have had debates with people on these forums about offensive and unacceptable comments on websites like RPGCodex, for example people joking about rape, and was told " its the Internet, people must learn to have thick skins"

 

But now this one article seems to have created such outrage because the author is deemed to be shouting? What happened to the importance of free speech and having a thick skin?