Jarmo Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 (edited) I'll definitely go with the flow and pick whoever happens to come by, when I have to choose, I'll choose based on personality. But if I'd build my own team: Base four Fighter Priest Mage Rogue Bonus characters Paladin Chanter The first four are self explanatory, the bonus characters give bonus effects. ---- Oh, silly me. Didn't even think about the races. All human. Edited October 9, 2013 by Jarmo Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greensleeve Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Let's see... Haven't actually thought too much on this, as I imagine it will change quite a bit based on actual class mechanics, as well as companion personalities. But I imagine I'd like a party looking something like this: Fighter (me. Playing as a sticky, crackdown-style fighter, probably using an estoc or similar weapon) Priest/Paladin (depends a bit on stamina restoring capabilities. I would like to have a paladin around for close-combat support, and if the paladin can also do stamina healing, that'd be great) Chanter (from what I've seen of chanter mechanics, they seem awesome, and I'd love to have one in my party) Monk (probably most dedicated damage-dealer in the party. Might be replaced by an unorthodox rogue though) The remaining two are undecided, and I'm unsure of. I could see myself taking druid, ranger, cipher, barbarian. Highly unlikely I'll take a wizard, as it's probably my least favourite fantasy class, ever. It's somewhat unlikely I'll pick a druid, though if AoE spell damage is highly useful, I would consider picking a druid for that. Might prefer a barbarian though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadySands Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 For my pants party I think it will go a little something like this Me as a Wizard or possibly even a Druid (was originally planning to go with Cipher but Cipher update killed that) That's all I got, depends on the potential companions more than their class for me Free games updated 3/4/21 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lephys Posted October 9, 2013 Share Posted October 9, 2013 Yeah, I'm another person who kinda has to see who's who before I pick. Same thing with any set of options. I'm that weird person, who, when someone talks about a game and says "Yeah, the such-and-such class sucks," or "this character is useless," I kind of think "Challenge: ACCEPTED!". Haha. Now, sometimes the rumors were true. But, I'm naturally drawn to the things that typically get labeled as inherently crappy or just sort of avoided because they're strange/different. Either way, no matter how much I end up knowing about the classes and the game at large before I play it, I can't decide until I know the personalities and such of the characters. Should we not start with some Ipelagos, or at least some Greater Ipelagos, before tackling a named Arch Ipelago? 6_u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yonjuro Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Yeah, I'm another person who kinda has to see who's who before I pick. Same thing with any set of options. I'm that weird person, who, when someone talks about a game and says "Yeah, the such-and-such class sucks," or "this character is useless," I kind of think "Challenge: ACCEPTED!". Haha. Now, sometimes the rumors were true. But, I'm naturally drawn to the things that typically get labeled as inherently crappy or just sort of avoided because they're strange/different. So, you had Garrick in your party in BG1? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Yeah, I'm another person who kinda has to see who's who before I pick. Same thing with any set of options. I'm that weird person, who, when someone talks about a game and says "Yeah, the such-and-such class sucks," or "this character is useless," I kind of think "Challenge: ACCEPTED!". Haha. Now, sometimes the rumors were true. But, I'm naturally drawn to the things that typically get labeled as inherently crappy or just sort of avoided because they're strange/different. So, you had Garrick in your party in BG1? Did anyone keep a Bard in their party at all? IMO, that was easily the worst class in all of 2E. Hopefully Chanters will be useful. "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rjshae Posted October 10, 2013 Share Posted October 10, 2013 Yeah, I'm another person who kinda has to see who's who before I pick. Same thing with any set of options. I'm that weird person, who, when someone talks about a game and says "Yeah, the such-and-such class sucks," or "this character is useless," I kind of think "Challenge: ACCEPTED!". Haha. Now, sometimes the rumors were true. But, I'm naturally drawn to the things that typically get labeled as inherently crappy or just sort of avoided because they're strange/different. So, you had Garrick in your party in BG1? Did anyone keep a Bard in their party at all? IMO, that was easily the worst class in all of 2E. Hopefully Chanters will be useful. I tried to force myself to try one for a while, but it basically played like a party of 5.1. That experience wasn't unique to BG1 though. "It has just been discovered that research causes cancer in rats." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lephys Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 So, you had Garrick in your party in BG1? Are you kidding? I hacked the game, just so I could have a full party of nothing but Garrick. Yes, even the main character was replaced with Garrick. Nah, but, in serious response, I haven't actually played more than about 10 hours through BG1 (well, enhanced edition) yet. But... I THINK Garrick is Lady Silke's man-dude? In which case, I know what you're talking about. I believe he was in my party for a brief period. He might still be, but... maybe not. Basically, I don't have enough empirical evidence of his crappiness yet, one way or another. Or of bards in general, for that matter (2E bards, at least). Of course, I think enhanced edition is kind of a bastardization of 2E? Maybe? *shrug* I should stop typing now. Should we not start with some Ipelagos, or at least some Greater Ipelagos, before tackling a named Arch Ipelago? 6_u Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PIP-Clownboy Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Yeah, I'm another person who kinda has to see who's who before I pick. Same thing with any set of options. I'm that weird person, who, when someone talks about a game and says "Yeah, the such-and-such class sucks," or "this character is useless," I kind of think "Challenge: ACCEPTED!". Haha. Now, sometimes the rumors were true. But, I'm naturally drawn to the things that typically get labeled as inherently crappy or just sort of avoided because they're strange/different. So, you had Garrick in your party in BG1? Did anyone keep a Bard in their party at all? IMO, that was easily the worst class in all of 2E. Hopefully Chanters will be useful. Yeah, 2E bards are pretty awful but Haer'Dalis is the most broken character in BG2. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarmo Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I dragged a bard through Icewind Dale and the follow-up, he worked out just fine. Basically a walking buff mule, but made the whole party that much more effective. Were the songs IWD only or did BG as well? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Good topic Op My typical party is Wizard\Sorcerer (me) Fighter Ranger Thief Cleric Druid "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greydragon Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) I'll probably start with a druid, and try out the various companions on offer to find the ones I prefer. Then second playthrough cypher with the other companions I dismissed as less interesting. Then wizard. Then explore different classes/race/companion combinations that will affect story events. Then settle into general exploration of seldom seen areas/choices/dialogue. To Jarmo; BG had only a single bard song (that leveled up to produce extra effects) Edited October 11, 2013 by Greydragon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yonjuro Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 So, you had Garrick in your party in BG1? Are you kidding? I hacked the game, just so I could have a full party of nothing but Garrick. Yes, even the main character was replaced with Garrick. Wow, six times the awesomeness. Lephys, on 10 Oct 2013 - 5:08 PM, said: Yes, that's right, he's with Silke. He is useful for one of the maps directly on the coast (the lighthouse map or the one to the north of it). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yonjuro Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Did anyone keep a Bard in their party at all? IMO, that was easily the worst class in all of 2E. Hopefully Chanters will be useful. In one game where I rolled the whole party, I had a jester. The jester song confuses enemies who fail the saving throw -- combine with invisibility and just about everyone will fail the save eventually. Plus they can use wands; in BG1 that makes any character brokenly powerful by the end of the game - even Garrick, I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kjaamor Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 I'm not really sure about the use of Bard-type characters (constant party buff) in single-player rpgs. At a risk of coining the most absurd sentence of all time, there's something vaguely binary about their usefulness. Other party members you swap in or swap out, but Bards and their ilk always seem to sit in either the 'Not as useful as a full character' (2E) or 'More useful than a full character' (3E) camps. I'm sure there are a number of very logical reasons why the above either isn't true or is true for all classes, but Bards have always felt that way to me (and I'm not even particularly powergamey). Other kickstarter projects to which I have no affiliation but you may be interested: Serpent in the Staglands: A rtwp gothic isometric crpg in the style of Darklands The Mandate: Strategy rpg as a starship commander with focus on crew management Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Messier-31 Posted October 11, 2013 Share Posted October 11, 2013 Bard is fun to play in a pen-and-paper roleplay. Totally one of my favourite characters back in the day. Sure, in computer games it would be either too weak or too strong for some events, but I believe there is a way to find balance. I always thought that BG2 bard subclass (called "blade" I believe - not sure) was pretty close to perfection. Not useless, not overpowered. Simply cool. Bard - still better fantasy story than monk. It would be of small avail to talk of magic in the air... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forgottenlor Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 (edited) Yeah, I'm another person who kinda has to see who's who before I pick. Same thing with any set of options. I'm that weird person, who, when someone talks about a game and says "Yeah, the such-and-such class sucks," or "this character is useless," I kind of think "Challenge: ACCEPTED!". Haha. Now, sometimes the rumors were true. But, I'm naturally drawn to the things that typically get labeled as inherently crappy or just sort of avoided because they're strange/different. So, you had Garrick in your party in BG1? Did anyone keep a Bard in their party at all? IMO, that was easily the worst class in all of 2E. Hopefully Chanters will be useful. On my second playthrough I went with an evil party and played him. In my first playthrough I used a fairly ineffective main character (a good necromancer), but ended up using the better npcs. In my 2nd playthrough I played a fighter with 18/96 strength and specialized in 2 handed swords, who basically mowed everything down in her path and I took Garrick. It was actually an easier playthrough for me since I knew what I was doing. I agree about Bards though, they are rather lackluster characters. Even in Pathfinder, if you want such a support character, you're probably better off going with an alchemist or inquisitor. Edited October 11, 2013 by forgottenlor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
forgottenlor Posted October 11, 2013 Author Share Posted October 11, 2013 I'm not really sure about the use of Bard-type characters (constant party buff) in single-player rpgs. At a risk of coining the most absurd sentence of all time, there's something vaguely binary about their usefulness. Other party members you swap in or swap out, but Bards and their ilk always seem to sit in either the 'Not as useful as a full character' (2E) or 'More useful than a full character' (3E) camps. I'm sure there are a number of very logical reasons why the above either isn't true or is true for all classes, but Bards have always felt that way to me (and I'm not even particularly powergamey). The games where they really shone were in the original Bard's tale series. Bard songs were like spells. You could have one on outside of combat, and one on in combat. There were a very limited number of songs, but most were very useful without being overpowering and offered bonuses that no other classes gave (such as improved health and spell point regeneration, being able to run from combat before it began, et.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oner Posted October 12, 2013 Share Posted October 12, 2013 My party: My Cipher Orlan Cipher detective guy Edair Paladin Cadegund Sagani I'm hoping the companion Cipher will be good at range and he'll be the 'wizard' of the group. Giveaway list: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1DgyQFpOJvyNASt8A12ipyV_iwpLXg_yltGG5mffvSwo/edit?usp=sharing What is glass but tortured sand?Never forget! '12.01.13. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Failedlegend Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) Well we don't know much about the classes themselves beyond the cipher but based on what we do know and how the classes work in the other Infinity Engine games I'd go with the following W/o Multi-classing Fighter or Barbarian Monk or Paladin Cleric Wizard Chanter Cipher With Multi-classing Fighter/Cleric or Paladin/Cleric (preferably a dwarf or other race that has a naturally militaristic or "tough" society although I might go Dwarven Godlike simply to have one) Barbarian or Barbarian/Druid (shaman type character- likely Savannah Human or Wild Orlan) Wizard/Rogue (illusionist/Assassin type character) Chanter (I like having a bard along, usually roleplayed as my PCs buddy for fun roleplaying - I like having them as more of a "chronicler" as opposed to a "story teller") Cipher or Cipher/Monk (master of their own mind and everyone elses :D definately thinking Orlan, 'm loving the lore of those secret detective...I might roleplay it as the others think he's just a wizard and he's there to "watch" the party) Ranger/Rogue (I always have a bow user...I love archery IRL so I always like to have one) Most likely have my PC as the Monk/Cipher or Wizard/Rogue but I may be a Dwarven Godlike Fighter/Cleric. I would like to have at least one of each race within my party. I'd really like to see the option to customize companion builds at the adventurers guild I hate having the "Automaton" Sack of stats custmoized NPCs but I also hate having companions not fit into my party. (ie. there 3 clerics and they hapen to be the 3 I wan to chill with for my first playthrough) Also the multi-class party is FAR mor einteresting to me so I hope the devs find time for that. Edited October 29, 2013 by Failedlegend Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Larkaloke Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 Four of them will almost certainly end up being some kind of fighting class, though exactly what mix of those I'll decide at the time. One will probably be a cleric or possibly a wizard, and the last one will be a rogue. I expect I'll then proceed to change that a fair amount during the course of the game, but that's generally more or less how my parties end up. I tend to prefer the fighting classes, and only have one or two of the others around. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sarex Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 First party will be: Paladin Paladin Paladin Paladin Paladin Paladin (adventure hall op) second party: Paladin Fighter Rouge Mage Cleric Druid third party is whatever I think is good from the previous playthroughs, but I don't know what can beat an all paladin party. "because they filled mommy with enough mythic power to become a demi-god" - KP Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morrow1nd Posted October 29, 2013 Share Posted October 29, 2013 (edited) First party Barbarian with dual wielding flails Barbarian with big hammer or mace Barbarian with greataxe or dual axes Chanter Wizard- me Cleric or rogue Fully buffed raging barbarians. Rofl-stompin till i have a good idea about combat efficiency for the wizard Second party Wizard- me (after learning the combat mechanics) others will be picked for rolepay Edited October 29, 2013 by morrow1nd Never say no to Panda! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffnindo Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Wizard (me) Priest Paladin Fighter Druid Chanter or Cipher "The time you enjoy wasting is not wasted time." -Bertrand Russell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hiro Protagonist II Posted October 30, 2013 Share Posted October 30, 2013 Most powergaming party I can create. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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