Armour & weapon designs - a plea (part III).

[entrerix]

looks like something out of dark souls

[FlintlockJazz]

This has strangely fancy look in it

 

Another fancy plate

 

 

 

 

 

And then a red head in plate armour

 

 

Can't go wrong with a red head in plate! :D

[NerdBoner]

 

 

wearing crap like that needs to come with extreme fatigue penalties...

 

full plate armors are ridiculous for anything outside of jousting or melees; definitely not for an adventurer who spends weeks on end crossing swamps, forests, mountains and spelunking in caves and ancient ruins.

[Merlkir]

While it wouldn't be my outfit of choice for spelunking, it's entirely possible to travel in plate armour and to fight in it for quite a few hours. Then again, I wonder how many people would complain about the need to pull a cart full of armour and having to put it on for several minutes before every fight.

[PrimeJunta]

While it wouldn't be my outfit of choice for spelunking, it's entirely possible to travel in plate armour and to fight in it for quite a few hours. Then again, I wonder how many people would complain about the need to pull a cart full of armour and having to put it on for several minutes before every fight.

 

I certainly would... if I actually had to do that in-game. You rarely poop in-game either, though, and it would be just as easy to let the game handle the chores while you, the player, make the decisions.

 

For example. Have a bivouack with the mules showing up there, let you prepare a couple of different loadouts, switch between with them with a few clicks, but only in camp. Alternatively, have a pack mule follow you when out and about, but only into areas where a pack mule could believably enter (i.e., not underground, indoors, or into areas that require climbing etc.). In that case allow switching loadouts the same way whenever not in combat. If applicable (e.g. day/night cycle, buff timeout, encounter risk etc.), have the game keep track of how much time it takes to switch loadouts.

[motorizer]

 

weeks on end

 

quite a few hours.

 

This has been my point in my earlier posts...you just wouldn't go adventuring in plate armor, its for fighting battles in,

a pack mule, with one click changes of gear outside combat, would be good...it'd give you a chance to try all the different armors as well, rather than sticking to one all the time

Plate for battles, light armor for sneaking or spelunking...and a chain bikini for beach warfare

[SophosTheWise]

 

 

And now, two pavises. I LOVE pavises, they're so colorful and so underappreciated. I've never seen a pavise in a game, I've only seen helpless crossbow-users....

 

[Merlkir]

Play Mount and Blade then. It has crossbowmen and pavises.

[SophosTheWise]

Play Mount and Blade then. It has crossbowmen and pavises.

 

Pavises in Mount & Blade actually work?

[Merlkir]

Play Mount and Blade then. It has crossbowmen and pavises.

 

Pavises in Mount & Blade actually work?

 

There's a mod which allows you to stick one on the ground. Other than that, you can have it on your back and turn away while reloading.

[kenup]

Well, I did miss this thread!

 

Below, too futuristic Dead-Space-like helmets?

 

 

Though I'm not into heavy armour much, I do kind of like that.

Edited November 27, 2012 by kenup

[NerdBoner]

Well, I did miss this thread!

 

Below, too futuristic Dead-Space-like helmets?

 

 

Though I'm not into heavy armour much, I do kind of like that.

 

well...

 

the weakness of that armor should be clear to anyone with an intelligence score above 3.

 

everything is covered i steel but your genitels get red velvet?

Edited November 27, 2012 by NerdBoner

[Durinax]

Well, I did miss this thread!

 

Below, too futuristic Dead-Space-like helmets?

 

 

Though I'm not into heavy armour much, I do kind of like that.

 

well...

 

the weakness of that armor should be clear to anyone with an intelligence score above 3.

 

everything is covered i steel but your genitels get red velvet?

well between that and not being able to bend your elbows past 75 degrees or so.

[Agelastos]

Well, I did miss this thread!

 

Below, too futuristic Dead-Space-like helmets?

 

 

Though I'm not into heavy armour much, I do kind of like that.

 

well...

 

the weakness of that armor should be clear to anyone with an intelligence score above 3.

 

everything is covered i steel but your genitels get red velvet?

 

That's (a cheap replica of) cavalry armor. Long, skirt-like faulds would only get in the way.

As long as you remain mounted, the tassets and the saddle and/or barding should protect the groin just fine.

Otherwise, you could just wear a maille shirt underneath. I don't think armored codpieces became particularly common, if they existed at all, until the 16th century.

[TrashMan]

Looks usable enough. Covers the whole head. Curved so most blows wold glance (unless they come from behind).

I'd certanly use it over that helmet with the giant golden lion on top.

 

I wouldn't. Unlike the golden helmet, there are many gaps for weapons to slide into, it doesn't cover your neck at all and it's made from many riveted pieces, I wouldn't expect it to hold together for long. It just looks like it'd get bent under the first blow and stab and slice your face with all those edges. Being made from overlapping pieces also adds material, so it's likely heavier than it needs to be.

 

Believe it or not, this one is more for show than the golden one.

 

MEh. The golden one leaves your entire face exposed and has that big lion on top that not only weight a lot, but would also catch any blade you try to duck under.

 

I can live with gaps for breating in my helmet - chances of a blade slipping trough are minimal, especialyl since the gaps are samll, and I need oxygen.

[TrashMan]

Are this many options enough?

 

 

 

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/7/77627/1894929-stats.jpg

Edited November 28, 2012 by TrashMan

[jezz555]

Well, I did miss this thread!

 

Below, too futuristic Dead-Space-like helmets?

 

 

Though I'm not into heavy armour much, I do kind of like that.

 

well...

 

the weakness of that armor should be clear to anyone with an intelligence score above 3.

 

everything is covered i steel but your genitels get red velvet?

 

Long, skirt-like faulds would only get in the way.

As long as you remain mounted, the tassets and the saddle and/or barding should protect the groin just fine.

 

Idk dude if I'm riding into combat, I think I'd want to get the boys some shelter regardless.

[Merlkir]

MEh. The golden one leaves your entire face exposed and has that big lion on top that not only weight a lot, but would also catch any blade you try to duck under.

 

I can live with gaps for breating in my helmet - chances of a blade slipping trough are minimal, especialyl since the gaps are samll, and I need oxygen.

 

The thing is - open face helmets had been used throughout history, very very commonly. More so than masked or fully closed helmets. So it seems ease of seeing around you is a good tradeoff for that specific lack of protection.

 

Similarly, that helmet was made to be worn. The decoration wouldn't be my first choice either, but it had to be light enough to be worn (which is possible. I doubt the lion is solid metal). Plumes and helmet decorations have also been used for a long time, so it appears it's not that much of a disadvantage.

 

So, yes, I'd prefer a real functional helmet over a poorly designed and poorly crafted fantasy one.

 

edit: by gaps I mean primarily the gaps between the plates. There's no reason why a helmet's bowl should be made of overlapping segments with gaps between them, other than the armourer thinks it looks badass and cool, or if he can't make a single bowl. It's weak design and it's done purely for the jagged profile, I think.

Edited November 28, 2012 by Merlkir

[Nomine Vacans]

MEh. The golden one leaves your entire face exposed and has that big lion on top that not only weight a lot, but would also catch any blade you try to duck under.

I can live with gaps for breating in my helmet - chances of a blade slipping trough are minimal, especialyl since the gaps are samll, and I need oxygen.

*sigh*

Crest (in the European tradition - Kleinod) - decoration mounted on top of the helmet , originally made of the horns of animals and feathers of birds. This element was developed during a joust and served as an additional identification mark, by which a knight may be seen in the confusion of tournament battle, because the figure could be seen from afar better than a coat of arms depicted on the shield.

Crests were made of light wood, leather, and papier-mâché, but over time they began to be produced from the more valuable materials.

 

Edited November 28, 2012 by Comedian

[Elerond]

Well, I did miss this thread!

 

Below, too futuristic Dead-Space-like helmets?

 

 

Though I'm not into heavy armour much, I do kind of like that.

 

well...

 

the weakness of that armor should be clear to anyone with an intelligence score above 3.

 

everything is covered i steel but your genitels get red velvet?

Reason for no genital protection is that it is cavalry armour and men on horse back is very hard to hit on their genital area. But of course if horse dies under its wearer, then it becomes as weakness.

Edited November 28, 2012 by Elerond

[Diagoras]

A bunch of miniature wheellock pistols, designed to show off the skills of the grandmaster who made them. All capable of firing. The smallest is about 35mm in length.

 

 

Tri-barreled, pepperbox matchlock arquebus and a 27-barrel monster pepperbox pistol. These could have been rotated by hand, though many models would self-rotate between shots like a modern revolver.

 

 

 

Finally, a nice looking pistol-sword for the discerning knight.

 

 

At this rate, maybe I should start my own "Awesome guns - a plea" thread.

[Cryticus]

This will probably caues my stoaning but I really do not see appeal that everone seems to have for hiper realistic weapones and armores.

I mean it's a fantasy game , not medival simulator of dressing knight. I really doubt, that we will get, anything like chainmail bikini, and a little pointless, spikes, and such only makes armor more interesting to watch, for me

[Nonek]

Personally I prefer more intricate detailing such as the above fine examples in this thread and its previous incarnations, enamelling, carvings and more subtle designs that add to the piece without limiting its utility whether through weight or the the limiting of freedom of movement. If you can't use those spike in battle then they are just unnecessary added weight, fine for ceremonial and parade armour but ridiculous to use in the heat of battle, when you need as much protection as possible at the lightest weight, and as much freedom of movement at all times.

 

I suppose it's a matter of taste, personally i'd prefer something subtle rather than ostentatious and hindering. For fantasy to make sense it needs to be grounded in the mundane, otherwise there is no point of reference for anything and the fourth wall becomes all too apparent, spoiling our belief in the otherworld.

[Karranthain]

It has been posted before in this thread, but in a much smaller version :

 

 

No need for spikes or gigantic shoulderpads

Edited December 3, 2012 by Karranthain

[Diagoras]

16th century gun shield.

 

 

16th century petronel, a forerunner of the horseman's carbine.

 

 

A pair of 16th century pistols.