Mass Effect 3

[Volourn]

Perhaps we shoudld etermine whatw e mean by 'fully commit'. But, in my convo she gets past the 'you join the evil organziation' stuff, we establish there are feelings , and pretty much state there is nobody else. Sound slike 'full commitment' to me. You don't need sex or a ring for it to be 'full committment'.

[Rosbjerg]

I have to say I think ME3 was the best in the series, the first and last 10 minutes were pretty bad, but everything in between was actually very good .. I always kinda expected the game series to go further towards interactive movie than roleplaying game so in that sense I was pleased rather than annoyed at the very streamlined gameplay. My only beef with the ending is similar to a lot of people here, in that it lacked closure and seemed more like a haphazard 'throwing-togehter-something-epic'.. but I had the same problem with Kotor 2 and I still consider that a much better game than the first. So I can live with a mediocre finale.. I look forward to seeing what BioWare churns out next though, if they are considering altering or adding to the ending.

[Calax]

Perhaps we shoudld etermine whatw e mean by 'fully commit'. But, in my convo she gets past the 'you join the evil organziation' stuff, we establish there are feelings , and pretty much state there is nobody else. Sound slike 'full commitment' to me. You don't need sex or a ring for it to be 'full committment'.

Well, she wasn't a romance interest (I was femshep in my run) but even after the second hospital visit she was still unsure of Sheps loyalties until shep gave her evidence against the usurper.

[HoonDing]

Some questions after finishing the game twice:

 

- when and how does Conrad Verner show up? Never saw him.

- when and how does Kelly Chambers show up? Never saw her.

- who is "Paul Grayson"?

- anyone seriously managed to destroy a Phantom's sword?

- where are my blue babies?

[Raithe]

- when and how does Conrad Verner show up? Never saw him.

He shows up in the Docking Area (not the Normandy one, the other) and relates to the Sabotaged Medigel Dispenser quests. They've actually worked quite a few in-jokes into his conversation.

 

- when and how does Kelly Chambers show up? Never saw her.

Again, she turns up in the same Docking Area. Although if you don't talk to her before the Priority:Citadel II thing, she will be killed by Cerberus. Or if you talk with her and don't persuade her to go off-grid.

 

- who is "Paul Grayson"?

A character that turned up in a pair of the ME novels. A Cerberus operative, his daughter was biotic and part of a secret experiment. He ended up turning on Cerberus and all sorts of bad things happened.

 

- anyone seriously managed to destroy a Phantom's sword?

- where are my blue babies?

 

And for the last two.. I couldn't really say...

[Tale]

Verner showed up after I did a quest on the Citadel to fix medigel dispensers. Only did so on an import.

Kelly Chambers requires you to have gone to dinner with her in ME2.

Paul Grayson is a guy from the books who got hooked up with Reaper tech.

Not me.

There is only one child in the entire galaxy. He died at the beginning. So sad.

[Calax]

Some questions after finishing the game twice:

 

- when and how does Conrad Verner show up? Never saw him.

- when and how does Kelly Chambers show up? Never saw her.

- who is "Paul Grayson"?

- anyone seriously managed to destroy a Phantom's sword?

- where are my blue babies?

Chambers shows up on the refugee deck before the Cerberus attack, she gets killed during the attack as retribution for leaving the group. Conrad shows up there too, later though.

 

*grumbles something about a liara-shepard baby having been entirely possible and having an effect on the game where you pick between your kid and lover, and members of your crew*

Edited March 25, 2012 by Calax

[Malcador]

So...what was the point of the Human Reaper again ? Do they ever expand on that?

[Tale]

What's there to necessarily expand on? That's how they create more.

[Raithe]

Apparently the Reaper's pick one species as "the best" and make full capital-ship variant Reapers of them. Then use the other species to make the smaller variants of Reaper...

[GhostofAnakin]

Some questions after finishing the game twice:

 

- when and how does Conrad Verner show up? Never saw him.

- when and how does Kelly Chambers show up? Never saw her.

- who is "Paul Grayson"?

- anyone seriously managed to destroy a Phantom's sword?

- where are my blue babies?

Chambers shows up on the refugee deck before the Cerberus attack, she gets killed during the attack as retribution for leaving the group. Conrad shows up there too, later though.

 

*grumbles something about a liara-shepard baby having been entirely possible and having an effect on the game where you pick between your kid and lover, and members of your crew*

 

None of my saves that I can import even have Kelly Chambers alive, so I don't know how accurate it is. But I read on Wiki that there's actually a way for her to survive the Cerberus attack.

[Malcador]

Yeah I know, but when that fails that seems to prompt the Reapers to invade, at least seemed that way from my ME2 playthrough (was funny to note the bit about the Reapers are our salvation during the end bit). Ah well, is probably nothing to it at all.

[Raithe]

None of my saves that I can import even have Kelly Chambers alive, so I don't know how accurate it is. But I read on Wiki that there's actually a way for her to survive the Cerberus attack.

 

It's not that hard, when you talk to her the first time you point out that having quit Cerberus, it might actually be a rather good idea to drop off the grid, and stop going around with red hair and calling herself Kelly Chambers...

 

If you do persuade her, she dyes her hair, gets fake id, survives the attack, then arranges for a few other ex-Cerberus folk to organise and hook up for you, thus granting you some extra War Assets.

[greylord]

This will be a spoiler...as for Kelly Chambers

 

 

 

As others have stated her location, that's no mystery. The thing is however, unless you got to a certain point in the discussions with her in ME2, then she is not available in ME3. You HAD to reach a certain point of relationship with her for her to actually appear. Other things in the game likewise have triggers reliant upon what you did in previous games.

 

 

 

 

Some of the items are also time based...aka...if you don't do them before a certain point you don't get to do them at all. Others only occur after a certain point. Those points are determined by quests or other events that happen.

[Volourn]

"Well, she wasn't a romance interest (I was femshep in my run) but even after the second hospital visit she was still unsure of Sheps loyalties until shep gave her evidence against the usurper. "

 

So.. roamnce vs no romance makes a difference.... Colio.

 

AS evidenced by the last page, choices DO matter.

 

R00fles!

[Hurlshort]

Perhaps we shoudld etermine whatw e mean by 'fully commit'. But, in my convo she gets past the 'you join the evil organziation' stuff, we establish there are feelings , and pretty much state there is nobody else. Sound slike 'full commitment' to me. You don't need sex or a ring for it to be 'full committment'.

Well, she wasn't a romance interest (I was femshep in my run) but even after the second hospital visit she was still unsure of Sheps loyalties until shep gave her evidence against the usurper.

 

She didn't seem fully committed to me until she comes on the Normandy, and even then she is a bit hesitant until you help her with her sister.

 

After the exclusive conversation I think she still ends up pointing a gun at you, so that didn't strike me as a perfect relationship.

[Malcador]

After the exclusive conversation I think she still ends up pointing a gun at you, so that didn't strike me as a perfect relationship.

 

Man, you've only had dull relationships then.

[Maria Caliban]

- anyone seriously managed to destroy a Phantom's sword?

- where are my blue babies?

 

-Yes, in multiplayer.

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[GhostofAnakin]

I'll give BioWare props for how different things play out depending on whether you sabotage the genophage cure or not. It was a surprise to see what happens if you decide to sabotage the cure for the Salarians.

[Nepenthe]

I'll give BioWare props for how different things play out depending on whether you sabotage the genophage cure or not. It was a surprise to see what happens if you decide to sabotage the cure for the Salarians.

The awesomeness of how things change and work out on Tuchanka just makes the ending hurt even more.

[Gorth]

Maybe it's just my imagination, but the guys who write the "ambient" stuff seems to be doing a better than job than many of the character writers. It was the same thing in ME2. Things like the advertising, background chatter, store keepers, etc. are mostly excellent done, from the PTSD Asari, the refugee teen girl waiting for her parents, the human that is driving the Batarian refugee up the wall with his incessant chatter and one of my favourites, the human girl that sold her car to buy her Salarian friend new armour

 

Apart from Vega and Javik (the Jamaican crustacean DLC), the party members felt like an afterthought. Not sure why they needed to give EDI a new body, as most of her interesting dialogue happens aboard the Normandy anyway.

 

Facepalm moment... using flares to signal the shuttle that you are ready for pickup,

[Guest The Architect]

I was disappointed in not hearing a word from Harbinger. I was thinking, "Come on buddy, say something. Indoctrinate me! I Space ships and cuddlefish are cool, so me and you and like this *twists fingers together*. I want to help you guys!" But nope. I didn't even get any foreshadowing of bad endings from him, either. No, "If I must tear the endings apart Shepard, I will."

[Bos_hybrid]

Right so now people believe posts from 4chan...... Anyway here is the supposed leak:

 

Malevolence65 wrote...

 

Proposal for Canon:

 

Conflict 1) Shepard destroys synthetic life, and in turn, a great deal of

his own physiology. The party must search the remnants of the Sol System to

unearth technology that may be able to restore Shepard's memory and functioning.

 

Conflict 2) The Grand Sol War begins. The current inhabitants of the Sol

System--which include the former occupants of the Citadel, the participants of

the Battle for Earth, and the Crucible's escorts--war over dwindling resources

in the Sol System. Certain species, unable to survive in Sol, make a desperate

beeline for distant systems.

 

Conflict 3) Though resurrected, the character Shepard has ceased to be. The

Catalyst has transmigrated into him via his synthetic components, and he has become

"Advent".

 

Consideration: Player to be aware of Conflict 3 until Mass Shift, or cliffhanger

for Terminator?

 

Consideration: Possible backlash?

 

Consideration: Dx does not want to drag out the character Shepard.

 

Approved: Player will be unaware of existence of Advent until Mass Shift. Make

foreshadowing available.

 

Approved: Protagonist of Mass Shift is the next transmigration of the Catalyst.

 

Conflict 4) Advent seeks to halt advancement of synthetics across the galaxy.

The character experiences a "dissociative identity disorder" related to

integration with Shepard's and EDI's synthetics

 

Consideration: New galaxy, multiple galaxies. Dx NOTE: Too far ahead

 

Proposal for "Terminator" (DATE OF RELEASE: April 24):

 

CC1 - CC3 (Dx approve 3-17-2012)

 

Canonical statement: Refer to "Arrival", "Witch Hunt", "Dragon Age: Return"

 

Branch End Graph (Ping storyboards)

 

See ME3 branch templates for global event assumptions

 

Liara - Reconstruction of Thessia. Introduction of Prothean truths. Formal burial

of mother at family gravesite.

BRANCH - Marriage

 

James - N7 induction ceremony. Consideration: Couple with formal Kaidan/Ashley

Spectre induction.

BRANCH - Ask Dx about this

 

Garrus - Takes Hackett's place at helm of GSW. Foreshadowing of human turian

integration.

BRANCH - Marriage

 

Tali - Seeks reestablishment of the mass effect.

BRANCH - Marriage

 

Kaidan/Ashley - Consideration: Introduction of eventual suicide plot

device? DX Note: No, not in DLC, save for Shift

BRANCH - Ask Dx

 

EDI - Absent, integrated into Advent

 

Joker - Resigns from comic relief in aftermath of EDI.

 

Javik - Thought to have entombed himself. Killed by Advent during confrontation.

 

Proposal for "Mass Shift" (DATE OF RELEASE: 2014):

 

CC4+

 

Xy - Hanar exiled for his "problematic" confidence and impoliteness. (Approved)

 

Filbert - Biotic elcor too small/weak to live amongst his own kind. (Approved)

 

Liara - Matriarch (Approved)

 

Bresha - Female krogan, distant granddaughter of Wrex.

 

Advent - Protagonist (Approved)

 

Asad Grim - Shadow Broker and Director of Council Space. Volus villain-to-ally.

(Storyboard available)

 

Murmur - The last Reaper, removed from the hivemind. (Approved)

 

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y.m. !ad7SQLiiVQ 03/25/12(Sun)04:40 No.2441036

 

Last night I leaked the only available digital details of Terminator and Mass

Shift. After speaking with a close friend who is an attorney, I've decided

to take the risk of of expounding.

 

I am a virtual lightning technician who has been working for BioWare for over 8

years now. I've been the sole creator of the lighting partitions of all of

BioWare's engines and engine plugins in recent years. In layman's terms, I am

a very specific kind of graphics artist.

 

I am no longer a part of the companies in question.

 

My reasoning for the leak was to draw attention to what BioWare has become. The

company, for about 5 years now, has been dominated by EA Games' strict timetables

and budget restraints. I'd like to express my continuing admiration of BioWare and

the entirety of its staff--the most talented staff I've had the priviledge to work

with in my career, which spans 19 years. My admiration for them is why I even

bother to draw attention to the predicament that the company now faces.

 

I am not a doomsayer. BioWare likely has a successful road ahead of them, but the

money stops mattering so much when female colleagues get off the phone with EA

upper management crying over threats of replacement. The success stops mattering

when a dark cloud hangs over a team that is doing the best with the restraints

that have been placed upon them. Nothing was more heartbreaking than the moment

when Dragon Age 2, which was not yet in alpha status, was shipped out the

door. I thought that was a one-time thing, but it is becoming clear that that was

just the beginning.

 

To the staff: Though you and I are both under contract, know that EA will not

pursue you if you simply stand together. You are the most talented people in the

industry and every publisher would be honored to have you.

 

>> y.m. !ad7SQLiiVQ 03/25/12(Sun)04:41 No.2441074

 

To the fans: Please do not be discouraged by what little PR EA allows to get out.

You haven't spoken to BioWare, the real meat of the company, in over 5 years.

BioWare is still full of people who love video games, who want to put passion into

their games--but they are being stifled. Don't be angry with BioWare. Be angry

with those who are stifling them. But your anger isn't enough. Speak with your

money. It's the only language EA Games understands. I know it can be very hard to

resist falling for pre-order and DLC ploys, but it must be done. Your forum posts

and petitions are meaningless when compared to the simple dollar.

 

--

 

I'd like to clarify some things about the leak:

 

- The leak is the content of a digital blackboard we have at the office. It's the

first thing you see when you walk into Production. It's right next to our

storyboards. Only the director and writers can edit the outline, but the entire

team is asked to make suggestions throughout development. The outline always

changes dramatically during development. Sometimes, major plot twists are totally

changed, or characters are removed. Generally, the artists and the director have

the final say. You may think that it's odd that artists have so much power, but

throwing away completed models and other assets that have consumed a lot of time

is frowned upon. If they've worked on something long enough, they are going to

implement it somehow.

 

- Like in most development cycles, the outline is relatively abandoned right now,

replaced by the storyboards. But I can't exactly take the storyboards off of the

walls and scan them.

 

>> y.m. !ad7SQLiiVQ 03/25/12(Sun)04:41 No.2441101

 

- Terminator is a post-ending DLC. It's been in production for months. Javik was

originally from Terminator, but they bumped him up because they felt that ME3's

cast was too small. Terminator is about the party crash landing on a Prothean

planet on the edge of Sol, and then they have to figure out a way to make contact

with the rest of the system and get off of the planet.

 

- When they do get spaceborne, they return to Earth, which is gripped in a war.

Certain species are demanding they be allowed to take the most advanced space

ships out of the system, because Sol cannot support them. There is also mass panic

because the relay transport system has been destroyed, and Sol's remaining resources

are going to run out in less than a year.

 

- Shepard has been found on Earth, but he is badly injured and in a coma. He was

burned badly during atmospheric re-entry, and certain synthetic components of his

brain were shut down. Chakwas is certain that if he ever awakens, it will be in a

vegetative state.

 

- At this point, it is suggested that Shepard's broken synthetic parts could be

replaced with new ones. The party then splits up, and you go to three different

planets/areas to find synthetic components that may be able to help him.

 

- It is revealed that one of the valid components can be extracted from EDI. Joker

allows them to do so.

 

>> y.m. !ad7SQLiiVQ 03/25/12(Sun)04:42 No.2441128

 

- Though still badly wounded, after the synthetic pieces are installed, Shepard

finally awakens. He makes a speech at the Spacescraper (a piece of the Citadel

that crash landed on Earth along with Shepard, now used as a center of

operations) that ends the Sol War. After that, you get a unique cutscene based

on who you did or did not romance in ME3.

 

- This is not addressed in the Terminator DLC, but from the moment Shepard comes

out of the coma, he is the Catalyst. Shepard permanently died during atmospheric

re-entry. The characters and the player in Terminator are unaware that it is not

the real Shepard, and this will not be revealed until Mass Shift, the spiritual

successor to the Mass Effect series.

 

- Mass Shift is not Mass Effect 4. Mass Shift will involve the same universe,

characters, and story, but it will be more action-oriented. Space flight, for

example, will be as intricate as ME3's combat. In Mass Shift, you will actively fly

Murmur, a Reaper that is controlled by the Catalyst. Storyboards have not been

drawn up for exactly how this will work yet, but when we came up with the initial

concept, we were comparing flight to "Gradius III and Kingdom Hearts 2", and the

relationship between the Catalyst and Murmur was compared to the one between the

boy and the monster in "The Last Guardian".

 

- Xy was actually going to be a DLC character for Mass Effect 2, but he was axed in

favor of Kasumi, who was modeled after the sister of a staff member who kept baking

the entire staff cookies. They're introducing him in Mass Shift instead.

 

y.m. !ad7SQLiiVQ 03/25/12(Sun)04:43 No.2441150

 

- BioWare has been meaning to introduce a main character suicide plot element for some

time now. They intended to do this with Kaidan/Ashley in Mass Effect 2, wrought with

guilt over the death of the other, but this idea was discarded when the director felt

that it would be too forced, and that players would feel as though BioWare simply

killed them off so that they wouldn't have to deal with their character branches

anymore.

 

- Though the details are very sketchy at this point, Mass Shift revolves around

the Catalyst (who now inhabits the body of Shepard), who seeks to prevent the

galaxy from advancing synthetics. This pits the Catalyst against virtually the

entire galaxy, which is quickly forgetting about the threat that synthetics pose.

The Catalyst, throughout the game, will endure inner turmoil caused by

his "other side" (EDI), who carries the belief that synthetics and organics can

peacefully co-exist.

 

- Mass Shift will feature more tactical combat, but with less cover. For example,

Filbert, while slow on the battlefield, can create a sphere of biotic energy around

himself that can repel a certain amount of fire. This will allow party members to

stand around him to receive all kinds of interesting "buffs".

 

- Other minor things have changed. For example, storyboards indicate that Asad

Grim, Mass Shift's primary (but not final--he joins your team) antagonist does not

wear a typical Volus suit. You will be able to see most of his body.

 

- Mass Shift takes place about one millennium after the events of ME3.

 

- Note that branching is the last stage of development. BioWare always begins with

a canonical outline, and then adjusts the outline details to accommodate player

choice in most scenarios.

 

y.m. !ad7SQLiiVQ 03/25/12(Sun)04:53 No.2441505

 

Witch Hunt is a Dragon Age DLC. It caused an in-house ****storm because of canon

issues. An employee quit over it. It's used as a reference for how to "correctly"

deal with design plans that may interfere with player choice. It has nothing to do

with Mass Effect.

 

I don't know what Dragon Age: Return is, but Dragon Age 3 is codename "Redfish" right

now. It's in development.

 

This is the last you will hear from me. Bye.

 

[Guest Slinky]

 

If that is for real, then the indoctrination thingy goes down the drain, and bio is serious with the one of the stupidest plot twists ever (IMO).

 

And the next games in the universe are going to base on that.

 

..

 

..

 

[Gorgon]

So Shepard is transmorgriffed into Advent regardless. Seems like he get's vaporized with alarming regularity. I just hope they don't imbue him with a lot of opinions from the architect(catalyst) that the player doesn't share. The whole synteic vs organic is in danger of becomming forced and irrelevant. It's just not interesting anymore, and now it's Advent's Raison d'etre.

 

And of course the whole thing could be a load of bollocks.

Edited March 25, 2012 by Gorgon