Just got Gothic 3...

[Slowtrain]

In a situation like that does one cut the developers some slack because they tried to implement something amibitious and far beyond the simplicity of a KotoR? Or do you blast them for being so incompetent and making a game which is for all intents so totally b0rked that it won't really ever be fixed?

 

I'm not sure personally how I feel about it. On the one hand I think we should strive for ambitious games like Gothic 3, but if I had spent $60 US on it, I wouldn't be too happy.

[Morgoth]

Me and blast them? G3 is just a step back in my book, that's all. World's bigger, graphics better, but the meat's weaker. Maybe my taste over all these years just changed. Whatever. It just isn't so addictive as the previous games used to be, thus it cannot be saved by mere patches anymore.

Edited January 12, 2007 by Morgoth

[Morgoth]

I'm not sure personally how I feel about it.  On the one hand I think we should strive for ambitious games like Gothic 3, but if I had spent $60 US on it, I wouldn't be too happy.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

I bought my copy over Ebay for EUR 25,--, and sold it back for EUR 30,--. That's reason for me to be happy. 5

[Slowtrain]

Me and blast them? G3 is just a step back in my book, that's all. World's bigger, graphics better, but the meat's weaker. Maybe my taste over all these years just changed. Whatever. It just isn't so addictive as the previous games used to be, thus it cannot be saved by mere patches anymore.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

I wasn't referring to you directly, just in general.

 

SOme of the most buggy and unplayable games have been some of the most ambitious. Battlecruiser 3000AD and Daggerfall and Falcon 3.0 for example. Now Gothic 3. When a developer pushes really hard for something ambitious often their reach is goign to exceed their grasp. But shsoudl they still be encouraged anyway.

 

 

Daggerfall ended up being mostly playable as long as you saved a lot. And was a game I enjoyed immensely.

 

 

Battlecruiser ended up being kinda playable.

 

 

Falcon 3.0 finally mostly worked after a year or so worth of major patching and became something of a flight sim legend.

 

 

For the young'uns:

 

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlecruiser_3000AD

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Falcon_3.0

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Elder_Scr..._II:_Daggerfall

[Diogo Ribeiro]

Boiling Point comes to mind as well.

[Volourn]

I don't think that interview is as honest as people claim. I honestly don't think they'r eebing honest with themselves even; let alone the fans....

 

'Tis a shame.

[Morgoth]

What I derived from the interview is that most of the effort during development was spent into Genome and it's tools, less about the game. They're after all, a very small team, so they had to prioritize their efforts. They surely should reorganize (and hiring new staff) the team, divide the team roughly in tech group (tools, implementation of intern and third party stuff etc.) and setup a content team (design, art, game programming, scripting/writing) that is wholly dedicated to the game itself.

Edited January 12, 2007 by Morgoth

[mkreku]

And become EA. No thanks. Gothic and Gothic 2 are two of the best games I've ever played, and they managed those two using their existing team. This time around (as he explained) they were building the engine from the ground up on the vision they've had from the first game in the series: to make the world react to everything the player wants to do. And, as he admits, that didn't work out as well as they had hoped, as the story became buried in the game. They should (logically) do better in the add-on. It's not official yet, but I know the Piranha Bytes team is dying to redeem themselves with the add-on.

 

Then we'll see what they'll work on next. I, too, feel the Gothic series is completed. The Nameless story is done. I'm hoping they'll continue making RPG's with huge gameworlds and open ended gameplay, but everything else is exchangeable.

[Morgoth]

And become EA. No thanks.

Becoming like EA by improving important workflow and team organization? :crazy:

 

Then we'll see what they'll work on next. I, too, feel the Gothic series is completed. The Nameless story is done. I'm hoping they'll continue making RPG's with huge gameworlds and open ended gameplay, but everything else is exchangeable.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Huge yes, but not too huge and comparably shallow like G3. As Kai said, the "soul" of Gothic 3 lacks. I myself think Genome has tons of potential with increased player-input/reaction ratio. I'm all for more atmospheric and interactive worlds instead of all that Hollywood movie-cutscene crap some devs are pursuing and claiming as Next-Gen stuff, but G3 still felt too repetitive and shallow. Not necesarrily due to the half-finished Genome engine, more about the fact that they neglected the game a wee too much. That's why they should have a tech group that is separately (and ahead) working to the content team. No EA mutation necessary.

[Volourn]

EA is awesome. EA makes good, fun games that aren't buggy and tend to play well.

 

Gothic 3 is a decent game. Fa better than either earlier Gothic game that's for sure. It has its weaknesses, and its strengths.

 

 

[Morgoth]

No, No, Yes, No and Yes.

Edited January 12, 2007 by Morgoth

[Volourn]

Eh? :crazy:

[Xard]

Morgoth wins

[Volourn]

Eh? :crazy:

[Cyric]

A moderator on JoWood's official board translated a german post by one of the developers on Gothic's biggest fan site. I thought it was an interesting read. I love that he's honest enough to admit that they failed in a lot of aspects and are now working hard to redeem themselves.

 

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

 

Failed in allot of aspects?

 

Lolz you know b4 I was defending this game, thinking that the same devs who made Gothic 1 would at least make a worthy successor.

 

How is it that the first game in the series has more story & plotline than its steroid jazzed descendant?

 

It

[Volourn]

Nah. G3 is better than the earlier Gothics in every important way.

[mkreku]

 

ANYHOW.. finally some news (semi-official) about the upcoming patch. It will be huge (size-wise).

 

# Is the patch confirmed? Yes.

# ETA: Unknown. PB / JoWooD will only announce it when they are sure to ship on time.

# KaiRo said they

[Spider]

I find the concept of a patch in GB size to be fascinating!

[Musopticon?]

I think the game is in prety sad state right now, so the patch size is to be expected. I'm thinking Ultima:Ascension bad here.

 

I hope they re-release Gothic 3 in some kind of Gold Edition eventually. Downloading over a gig of files for a patch doesn't sound inviting at all.

Edited April 2, 2007 by Musopticon?

[Bokishi]

1 GB patch WTF?

[karka]

http://www.rpgwatch.com/show/newsbit?rwsit...mp;newsbit=5046

[SteveThaiBinh]

:sad:

 

Am I supposed to play the game in its current state, then? I've heard it's... not very good.

[Tigranes]

I don't think anybody can fix Gothic 3.

 

It was very enjoyable for me even in 1.00 state though. If you play a freaking game when it hangs for 2 seconds every minute, then it's damn good.

[mkreku]

I really hope this isn't true. I mean, I've been holding off on playing the game that I ****ing pre-ordered half a year ago just because of this promised patch! I will be plenty pissed if they've lied to me.

[Magnum Opus]

I find the concept of a patch in GB size to be fascinating!

I find it to be prohibitive.

 

Now it's not just a matter of having broadband for multiplayer games, you've got to have it just to get the game that they were supposed to have delivered in the first place?

 

Truly, the gaming industry has passed me by.

 

Oh well.