The All Things Political Topic

[Gorth]

On 12/10/2024 at 2:53 PM, BruceVC said:

What has surprised me is how many people seem to be fine with this killing?

I can understand the frustration and anger towards the  medical aid industry but killing people in the streets is not going to change anything in the industry 

Why stop there, lets go around killing politicians and bank CEO?

 

 

….scribbling down notes on a napkin

[Malcador]

4 hours ago, Gorth said:

….scribbling down notes on a napkin

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/dec/11/new-york-police-us-healthcare-hit-list

[Lexx]

"which has been celebrated in some quarters of social media." --- some?

[rjshae]

On 12/2/2024 at 10:45 AM, pmp10 said:

If Biden can pardon for everything and anything for a decade I wonder what Trump will do with the precedent.
6th January gang will likely be only the start. 

The DJT campaign has already pledged to pardon the J6 participants, so the precedent is pre-existing.

Trump reportedly promises January 6 pardons ‘in the first hour’ of his presidency or sooner – US politics live

The optics would be much better if Biden targets political people who DJT would intentionally go after, and if Biden does it in a bi-partisan fashion. For example, members of the January 6th committee; people who worked to prosecute DJT in any manner; selected leaders of Congress, the FBI, and DoJ; and key election workers in disputed states. It should probably be limited to the last decade, when DJT was politically active.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

I have to say that everything I've heard about United Healthcare since someone shot the CEO honestly made me curious why it took this long for someone to try to kill him. Sort of a weird curiosity in the US where the rampant violence doesn't trickle up to bizness guys, politicians, and other members of the ruling class. And while I would never condone murder.....I can say that it's not as gut wrenching to see a cartoonishly evil company man get shot than a bunch of school kids.

[uuuhhii]

32 minutes ago, PK htiw klaw eriF said:

I have to say that everything I've heard about United Healthcare since someone shot the CEO honestly made me curious why it took this long for someone to try to kill him. Sort of a weird curiosity in the US where the rampant violence doesn't trickle up to bizness guys, politicians, and other members of the ruling class. And while I would never condone murder.....I can say that it's not as gut wrenching to see a cartoonishly evil company man get shot than a bunch of school kids.

 

hopefully this will be a trend setter

[Hurlshort]

47 minutes ago, uuuhhii said:

 

hopefully this will be a trend setter

I guess we need to get "Shoot CEO's, not schools" trending.

[uuuhhii]

isn't it amazing usa are also trying to bring back polio amid this celebration

 

[Malcador]

Canadian finance minister resigned or pushed out, fun drama. Doesn't change anything as Trudeau is on borrowed time, though.

[Zoraptor]

Saw a thumbnail and thought it was our finance minister who had resigned. Would have been a lovely Christmas surprise.

(Too much to hope for I guess, we'll get two more years of brunette Liz Truss wondering why the reality of a country's economics doesn't match her excel spreadsheets. Yes really; she's easily our worst fm since Muldoon nearly 50 years ago and exactly what you'd expect some someone with a degree in english whose only work experience has been in PR and politics)

[uuuhhii]

usa are pushing gun control for 1 ceo but not thousand of student per year

impressively pathetic

[Lexx]

Not just any students. Little children. Nobody gave a crap about them getting killed. At this point it was clear that the US doesn't want it any other way, tbh.

Edited Tuesday at 11:38 PM by Lexx

[Malcador]

https://apnews.com/article/unitedhealthcare-ceo-killing-luigi-mangione-fccc9e875e976b9901a122bc15669425

Terrorism? I guess due to manifesto, but still bit much from him wasting some suit

Edited Tuesday at 11:43 PM by Malcador

[BruceVC]

On 12/18/2024 at 1:42 AM, Malcador said:

https://apnews.com/article/unitedhealthcare-ceo-killing-luigi-mangione-fccc9e875e976b9901a122bc15669425

Terrorism? I guess due to manifesto, but still bit much from him wasting some suit

I realize he was been charged with terrorism and this becomes a technical legal charge so it doesnt matter what we say but personally I dont  consider it terrorism

Its first degree murder definitely which he has also been charged with and he will be found guilty either way 

And the reason I dont think its terrorism is because he killed the CEO because of the reality of how unfair the US medical aid industry is and this is a private sector industry and he wants to achieve private sector policy change 

I can understand the logic behind the terrorism charge but would you  charge someone who kills a bank manager because your loan was refused with terrorism?

If he had killed a member of Congress for not voting or supporting medical aid federal legislation that would be more terrorism because his target is a political person

The CEO is not a politician 

Anyway Im just throwing my view on this out there  because the definition of terrorism is using violence to achieve a political objective or change 

 

[BruceVC]

https://www.parleypolicy.com/post/the-rules-based-international-order-explained

There is understandable criticism about the term  "rules based order " but I think its because often the rules based order is misunderstood around what it is and what it can do and what it cannot do 

I found this link that clarifies this accurately and it discusses its history, shortfalls and advantages

Its a good read for those that have concerns about what it means and how sustainable it has to be.  @Malcadoryou should find it particularly relevant because we have discussed this before on several occasions 

Some quotes from the link

 

" The term “rules-based international order” has become commonplace in government statements and joint communiqué. For many, the corresponding message is that it is necessary to reinforce that order to preserve the conditions needed for peace and prosperity. Others argue that the rules-based international order is nothing more than a tool for a select group of countries to advance their own hegemonic or exploitative ambitions. The one commonality between the two sides that present those arguments is that neither tends to define what the rules-based international order really is or why it matters.

For those seeking to manage conflict, to advance relations between nations, or simply to understand the state of global affairs, the definition of the rules-based international order is important. It is neither some nebulous concept without practical effects nor is it some oligarchical construct meant to impose “rules for thee but not for me.” The rules-based international order as we know it today is predicated on a system of laws, rules, and norms, and it has underpinned international interactions since its formal establishment in 1945. Whether its overall influence is positive or negative continues to be predicated on the actions of the members of the international community, but one cannot influence what one does not fully understand.

Because there is no overarching enforcement authority, it is incumbent upon the members of the international community themselves to work together in establishing the rules and upholding them. This is why so many governments talk about reinforcing the rules-based international order: it is their responsibility to mitigate threats to the global ecosystem that can negatively impact countries across the world.

As with any system, the rules-based international order is imperfect. There is no law that has gone unchallenged, rule that has gone unbroken, or norm that has been unobserved. There is no overarching enforcement authority to oversee the implementation of these laws, rules, and norms. And yet, there is still utility, for in an otherwise anarchic world, the system established in 1945 anchors the international community against the chaos of war, disaster, violence, and crime. That is why it exists and why it matters.  "

 

 

 

 

[HoonDing]

Just imagine a world without this rules based order