Ukraine Conflict - conflict continues

[Chilloutman]

21 minutes ago, Malcador said:

Is interesting how wide separatism is assumed to be in Russia

I honestly doubt there is much of it either. It was more common during USSR for sure. These days... who knows, doubt there is much political power in those far east regions

[bugarup]

Ukraine is largely demilitarized, says Peskov -- as in, it is using fewer and fewer of its own weapons and more those new ones its got from West.

 

 

 

[Malcador]

Well that's funny. Girkin also thinks a coup is imminent.

Edited June 23, 2023 by Malcador

[Lexx]

wtf is going on

 

[Elerond]

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/23/wagner-chief-accuses-russias-military-of-attack-and-says-evil-leadership-must-be-stopped

Quote

 

Russia investigates Wagner chief for ‘armed mutiny’ after call for attack on military

Russia’s FSB security service has opened a criminal case for armed mutiny against Wagner’s Yevgeny Prigozhin after the mercenary chief accused the Russian military of targeting his forces and vowed to “destroy” his rivals.

In an extraordinary series of audio clips released late on Friday, Prigozhin claimed that a Russian rocket attack had killed scores of his fighters, vowing to take “revenge” and “stop the evil brought by the military leadership of the country”.

“Those who destroyed today our guys, who destroyed tens, tens of thousands of lives of Russian soldiers will be punished. I’m asking: no one resist,” Prigozhin said.

Prigozhin also published a video which he claims shows the aftermath of the rocket attack on a Wagner camp in Russia’s southern Rostov region.

 

Seem that Prigozhin's relationship with Kreml has cooled down

[Mamoulian War]

TBH Nothing unexpected. History in Russian repeats itself again. This will be a ****storm for sure.

[Mamoulian War]

Report from Bakhmut.

 

[Malcador]

Surreal, but I guess we'll see how this goes by Monday. Prigozhin claims his troops are entering Rostov, but no videos or anything as of yet

[Lexx]

No photos, no videos makes this feel very suspicious.

[Malcador]

 

Hmm

[Mamoulian War]

 

[Mamoulian War]

49 minutes ago, Lexx said:

No photos, no videos makes this feel very suspicious.

In the next hours/days, we will see more lies than ever coming out of Russia, although statements like this give it some kind of weight 

In the meanwhile a lot of Prigozhin channels have been blocked on some Russian social medias, and his former ally General Surovikin was making an appeal to him, while holding the automatic weapon, to stop.

Girkin is talking about coup already, Lukashenko allegedly have left at midnight Minsk by plane. All that is missing now, is Kadyrov

[Malcador]

Remarkable, Wagner took over the SMD HQ in Rostov

[BruceVC]

It does seem to be legitimate anger from Prigozhin but I doubt he will be able to implement any kind of military coup, there are literally tens of thousands of loyal Russian forces within the country and Wagner numbers maybe 30k or so?

But its nice to hear the truth from Prigozhin about the false narrative for the invasion. I wonder if his comments  on this will have any public influence within Russia?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/prigozhin-says-putin-s-reason-for-invading-ukraine-was-a-lie/ar-AA1cWydW#:~:text=W agner Group boss Yevgeny Prigozhin on Friday,fed to him by the Kremlin's top brass.

Edited June 24, 2023 by BruceVC

[BruceVC]

2 hours ago, Malcador said:

Remarkable, Wagner took over the SMD HQ in Rostov

Its quite  strange and hilarious at the same time, Vatniks on Codex are saying this whole thing is just psyops to give the Ukrainians a false sense of confidence

But I do think its legitimate, I dont like Prigozhin or trust him but this event and outcome is beneficial to Ukraine because it confirms the real fractures within the Russian military 

[Gorth]

Wasn’t the Wagner boss the one who kept whinging about the Russian army never sending any ammunition his way? 

[Malcador]

8 minutes ago, Gorth said:

Wasn’t the Wagner boss the one who kept whinging about the Russian army never sending any ammunition his way? 

 I had thought that turned out to be BS.

[Mamoulian War]

2 hours ago, BruceVC said:

It does seem to be legitimate anger from Prigozhin but I doubt he will be able to implement any kind of military coup, there are literally tens of thousands of loyal Russian forces within the country and Wagner numbers maybe 30k or so?

But its nice to hear the truth from Prigozhin about the false narrative for the invasion. I wonder if his comments  on this will have any public influence within Russia?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/prigozhin-says-putin-s-reason-for-invading-ukraine-was-a-lie/ar-AA1cWydW#:~:text=W agner Group boss Yevgeny Prigozhin on Friday,fed to him by the Kremlin's top brass.

From the videos from Rostov, it looks like a lot of local soldiers joined him and there was almost no resistance against him, while taking over. Allegedly, some helicopters destroyed some vehicles in the column on their way to Voronezh (more than 70 counted in the column) and Wagners shot down two helicopters.

FSB is raiding Wagner’s HQ in St. Peterburg and Moscow has implemented anti-terrorist measures. Rostov city is allegedly fully under Prigozhin’s control now.

[Mamoulian War]

In the meanwhile, Russian MoD released this statement about situation in Bakhmut.

 

 

[bugarup]

19 minutes ago, Mamoulian War said:

FSB is raiding Wagner’s HQ in St. Peterburg and Moscow has implemented anti-terrorist measures. Rostov city is allegedly fully under Prigozhin’s control now.

Well,  at least they finally took a decently big city in this war.

[Mamoulian War]

Prigozhin claims to have two Airfields under full control. Milerovo and Rostov on Don. At Voronezh 300 Russian border guards allegedly surrendered to Wagner. Putin has spoken in Russian TV, speaking that he will not allow 1917 to repeat

[bugarup]

1917? That's a funny analogy in more than one sense, and ballsack goblin is probably only one who made it, because everywhere else I'm seeing 1922, and Italy.

[BruceVC]

11 minutes ago, Mamoulian War said:

Prigozhin claims to have two Airfields under full control. Milerovo and Rostov on Don. At Voronezh 300 Russian border guards allegedly surrendered to Wagner. Putin has spoken in Russian TV, speaking that he will not allow 1917 to repeat

I am interested in the point you raised earlier, will Russian troops and Wagner mercenaries  side with Prigozhin because now he has been declared a traitor

I never thought I would I say this but this is the first time I have ever sided with Russians, the Prigozhin faction, in this war 

[Lexx]

I'm still skeptical. All he talks about is replacing the russian military command and stuff like that. This is all he seems to worry about. In the short term this chaos is likely good for ukraine, but in the long term this could be not so good (if he succeeds and russian command will become more competent).

[BruceVC]

33 minutes ago, Lexx said:

I'm still skeptical. All he talks about is replacing the russian military command and stuff like that. This is all he seems to worry about. In the short term this chaos is likely good for ukraine, but in the long term this could be not so good (if he succeeds and russian command will become more competent).

Small steps, any additional fraction and weakening of the Russian military is a good thing and thats what this development is at the moment