The All Things Political Topic - new edition

[BruceVC]

I was watching some  polling data on Smerconish for the 2024 US elections and 65% of people polled think Biden winning would be an absolute disaster for the US  and 56% think the same about Trump

Has there ever been a US election with the current candidates being so unpopular? Personally Im disappointed that the Dems cant come up with an alternative to Biden but thats mostly because of his age, I dont think he has done such a bad job considering  global factors like the virus and the war in Ukraine that has influenced certain  realities, like inflation,  in the US. I would definitely prefer Biden again to Trump 

 

[uuuhhii]

that is the remnant of great man history

every movement every problem every war every era narrow down to a few big personality clashing with eachother

people like to give problem marketable faces

disaster already exist and will only get worse

move a few faces around change very little

[BruceVC]

3 minutes ago, uuuhhii said:

that is the remnant of great man history

every movement every problem every war every era narrow down to a few big personality clashing with eachother

people like to give problem marketable faces

disaster already exist and will only get worse

move a few faces around change very little

True, in any Democracy people tend to blame the elected government for domestic problems. Even if they not responsible 

[Gromnir]

8 hours ago, Hurlshort said:

I'm glad you like the guy, but the idea that a Kennedy is "anti-establishment" seems unlikely.

anti-establishment?

the guy is one o' the 5g + bill gates + covid vaccine microchip kooks, and he continues to promote that bit o' crazy. shared such with rogan in fact.

am not saying rfk jr. is a bad person. already mentioned him overcoming his addiction is a plus in our book. additional, he has championed the causes o' more than a few indigenous peoples, and if you told us he had saved a puppy from drowning by risking his life, swimming into dangerous cold waters, we wouldn't be surprised; we would cheer his humanity. seems like he means well. unfortunate, we wouldn't want a person so divorced from reality as rfk jr. to be President... anymore than we would champion joe rogan for the office. 

tinfoil hat legionnaires, regardless if they is anti-establishment or even if they have a meaningful and practical plan to address income disparity and national debt problems (he doesn't,) should not be serious considered as President. a lack o' shared belief in facts and reality is an increasing problem in this nation and to have somebody who believes school shootings is the result o' the invention and prescribing o' prozac is literal dangerous to have sitting behind the resolute desk in the oval office.

as to age... 

am recognizing how different people age... different. however, am having noticed old people is often the last to admit they need help even if most people around them see how the aged person is increasing incapable o' driving safe, handling a gas stove, or being a US Congressmen, SCOTUS Justice or POTUS. biden did recent take speaker mccarthy's lunch money during the debt ceiling negotiations, so score one for the octogenarians, but another four years? 

...

not to be morbid, but perhaps an upside to biden being elected to another four years is am suspecting such would lead to support for the passing o' an  amendment xxviii calling for age limits for those serving in specific enumerated article i, ii or iii offices.

HA! Good Fun!

ps 'pon reflection, is no reason to not speak the silent part. "anti-establishment" insofar as rfk jr. is camouflage. the vast majority o' rfk jr. fans is people who thought covid were a hoax, that vaccines were/are a hoax, that fauci were selling a hoax and that lock downs and mask wearing (which americans never actual supported enough to be as effective as were the case in south korea, taiwan, new zealand or elsewhere)were authoritarian tactics used to promote the hoax. don't just buy the anti-establishment claims without considering the source.

Edited June 18, 2023 by Gromnir

[BruceVC]

16 hours ago, Keyrock said:

That's fair. As a truck driver, long form conversations are perfect to listen to. I start the podcast before I begin driving and I'm all set for 3 hours. People have different situations and I can understand 3 hours being a bit much to listen to.

That makes sense, the  longer podcasts I have watched is only during load shedding because my fiber works and so does my phone and laptop (load shedding is normally 2 hour windows 2-3 times\day)

But I dont generally watch any podcast longer than 20 minutes in RL, I prefer to spend my free time socializing, doing leisure activities  or gaming 

[xzar_monty]

On 6/17/2023 at 6:56 PM, PK htiw klaw eriF said:

I don't keep up with Joe Rogan, his comedy is weak and I don't have 3 hours to listen to a guy asking his producer to Google stuff.

Because of all the hoohah, I have tried listening to some Joe Rogan. He is entertaining enough when he's got someone like David Lee Roth on, although that's mainly because it's David Lee Roth, but when he gets an actual scientist or a proper professional in there, he just isn't educated enough to even ask good questions or do any follow-up on them, and it gets mightily uncomfortable trying to listen to that[*]. I suppose his popularity stems from that he's a bit more educated than much of his audience, he's a good enough talker (i.e. is able to construct reasonable and easy-to-follow sentences for extended periods of time) and he has critical mass on his side, which means that he's getting more popular by virtue of the fact that he's already popular.

So yeah, the signal-to-noise ratio can be awful, especially if you have better things to do.

 

[*] Although even with David Lee Roth it was quite uncomfortable to hear them talk about DLR learning Japanese. Rogan clearly cannot properly understand the concept of being able to speak a second language, which is quite something. D'oh.

Edited June 19, 2023 by xzar_monty

[ShadySands]

I like some of his stand-ups but I have good will for Rogan from News Radio. I don't listen to his podcast because he has a lot of really dumb takes and I don't really listen to podcasts.

[Keyrock]

2 hours ago, ShadySands said:

News Radio

I miss Phil Hartman.

[Gromnir]

finished watching the brett baier interview with trump.

highlights for those interested

Spoiler

according to trump, the reason he prevented corcoran from completing a search o' all documents and then knowing having christina bobb submit a false certification to doj that no more documents with classification markings were at mar-a-lago were 'cause he hadn't yet had time to go through all his boxes? just too busy. 

serious?

trump really should take oj's advice and stop speaking about the case. for the constant evolving team trump, it were gonna be difficult to defend their client... yesterday. is more difficult today.

HA! Good Fun!

[Gorth]

[Gromnir]

let's say you receive a subpoena from a grand jury requesting that you provide all examples of X from your residence at Y, and you is given a time limit o' Z days in which to comply.

you are an old guy living in florida and 'tween golfing and your dj hobby, is just so little time to complete the search before Z days will have elapsed.

out of the following, which response to the subpoena request seems to be the most ill-advised?

1) you are old, so you decide to take a nap and hope the problem goes away.

2) personal or through your attorneys, challenge the validity of the subpoena while simultaneous attempting to meet the Z days deadline.

3) request additional time from the court to complete your search while simultaneous attempting to meet the Z days deadline.

4) hide multiple examples of X from both the court and your own attorneys and then lie to the court certifying that every example o' X at Y has indeed been returned. 

*eye roll*

is lawyers at every news outlet who is offering their expertise regarding the cases 'gainst trump, but a few o' the most significant aspects o' the cases do not require any legal training to puzzle out where trump blundered.

aside, 

is not getting the attention deserved. is not a criminal trial, but it is likely to serve as a preview o' defenses made in a federal january 6 trial o' eastman... and his co-conspirators. 

HA! Good Fun!

[BruceVC]

14 hours ago, ShadySands said:

I like some of his stand-ups but I have good will for Rogan from News Radio. I don't listen to his podcast because he has a lot of really dumb takes and I don't really listen to podcasts.

But what if he made a podcast saying ShadySands is the cleverest and most handsome person in the US, would you watch it then?

[ShadySands]

7 hours ago, BruceVC said:

But what if he made a podcast saying ShadySands is the cleverest and most handsome person in the US, would you watch it then?

No, sounds like another bad take.

It's not like I've never watched him but it's always that I hear about an interview then I go find that specific clip rather than listening to what he's saying on a regular basis. Basically, if he's talking to Michio Kaku or someone then I might check it out.

[Hurlshort]

Rogan seems like a good fight analyst and I'd say he is an expert on the MMA stuff. But on other topics, meh. He is a poor man's Howard Stern.

[Gfted1]

3 minutes ago, Hurlshort said:

...Howard Stern.

Whoa, I havent listen to him since he left terrestrial radio back in aught 4.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

35 minutes ago, Hurlshort said:

He is a poor man's Howard Stern.

I think Howard Stern is more.....crude? Risqué? Naughty  ? I dunno the right word for this, but as someone with mostly secondhand knowledge of Stern from at least a decade ago, I always associated Howard Stern with softcore porn aesthetics like some nudity or explicit sex talk. I don't think Rogan does that or has nearly as many women on as Stern seemed to.

To me Rogan is like the combination of your childhood friend's weird uncle who smokes weed all day that can tell you how the Inca created submarines and a prototypical high school bully that wants to hang out with you. I guess there's appeal if you think the guests are interesting but for the most part they aren't (to me) and Rogan isn't a good interviewer or entertaining/knowledgeable enough in his own right to commit to 3 hour episodes.

But take my opinions with a grain of salt, because (by the data) my most listened to podcast is a guy who has done many hallucinogens telling me about various dictators or grifters with the second being by a lady who wrote a book about hotdogs.

[xzar_monty]

28 minutes ago, Hurlshort said:

Rogan seems like a good fight analyst and I'd say he is an expert on the MMA stuff. But on other topics, meh. He is a poor man's Howard Stern.

Yeah, he probably knows quite a lot about martial arts in general, and in that area, I'd be inclined to have at least some trust in what he's saying. But on other topics, meh indeed.

@ShadySands: The problem with Rogan having someone like Michio Kaku on his show is that he's unable to ask good and relevant questions and often also has great difficulty understanding what his guest is telling him. And that gets mightily embarrasing at times. I mean, the one time I listened to a whole episode was when he had the physicist Brian Greene on, and it was mostly a waste of time, for reasons just described. Simply listening to a lecture given by Greene would have been much more enlightening. A learned friend of mine talked of the same embarrassing problem happening when Rogan had Brian Cox on the show, although I didn't bother to check that one out.

[xzar_monty]

5 minutes ago, PK htiw klaw eriF said:

I think Howard Stern is more.....crude? Risqué? Naughty  ? I dunno the right word for this, but as someone with mostly secondhand knowledge of Stern from at least a decade ago, I always associated Howard Stern with softcore porn aesthetics like some nudity or explicit sex talk. I don't think Rogan does that or has nearly as many women on as Stern seemed to.

Yeah, there's a world of difference between Stern and Rogan. I'd say Stern is crude and smutty. For me, risqué would imply at least a bit of style, and naughty would imply at least a bit of humour, and because Stern has neither, he's simply smutty. And yes, crude, in the way he tackles the questions he deals with (i.e. he's not only smutty, but in the other things he does, he's crude).

Perhaps because I'm a European, I have never been able to understand why Stern is even able to have a job (on the radio), much less be successful. Oh well. (I don't deny his intelligence, I simply don't see him applying it with anything resembling good sense.)

But of course there are folks like Alex Jones and Rush Limbaugh who are both orders of magnitude more difficult to understand...

Edited June 20, 2023 by xzar_monty

[Keyrock]

Hunter Biden pleads guilty on tax & gun charges

Still Russian misinformation?

Edited June 20, 2023 by Keyrock

[ShadySands]

Still doesn't matter. 

Hunter is a screw up but he's not part of the administration.

[Malcador]

Finally Republicans care about gun crimes.

[PK htiw klaw eriF]

I think it's deeply funny that out of all the Hunter Biden drama that has going around for the last few years the bombshell is that he is a tax cheat and had a firearm he wasn't supposed to, given the beliefs held and actions taken concerning taxes and guns that the Hunter hunters have. I'm sure this will all lead to a drive for rich people to start paying their fair share of taxes and stringent gun restrictions. I guess this may piss off liberals more than drugs and secks stuff tho.

EDIT: lmao, beat by @Malcador

Edited June 20, 2023 by PK htiw klaw eriF

[Gromnir]

1 hour ago, ShadySands said:

Still doesn't matter. 

Hunter is a screw up but he's not part of the administration.

agree.

from a post Gromnir on april fools, 2022 when @Darkpriest did same as key:

hunter biden is relevant... again? why? is a serious question. for years now hunter has been a known train wreck. the reason why the laptop weren't a real story is not so much 'cause o' the russian disinformation angle but 'cause o' same reasons it weren't a story october 2020-- the fbi and bill barr had been in possession o' the "laptop from hell" since november 2019 and nothing came o' it. the worst laptop photos and emails from the laptop were already leaked a long time past and we discovered *gasp* that hunter biden has bad selfie discipline and had involved himself in all kinda get-rich-quick schemes with foreign business entities. thank goodness nobody were electing hunter. 

if joe biden had given hunter top security clearance and made him part o' the day-to-day operations o' the wh, then there would be a story, or at least you would think so. never happened. know what also never happened? the trump doj under barr never found anything on hunter other than possible tax evasion, for which hunter is still being investigated and should not be getting off the hook. you think the trump administration woulda' looked the other way if there were anything else?

pre 2020 election some folks in the media were too quick to dismiss a story 'bout hunter biden as complete fake. the thing is, "fake" weren't the problem. the fail o' the story is same now as then 'cause the october surprise is still not particular relevant save for the recognition that hunter is a mess. am no more surprised by that revelations in 2022 than we were in 2020.

and from three years past

and is others

who here didn't know hunter were a trainwreck? has anybody been claiming the tax and gun stuff were manufactured? and just as with the stoopid hunter painting sale, such issues were known to everybody so is not as if the info were blackmail material which could be used as leverage against joe biden.

but already we got at least one poster trying to move the goal posts? is a half dozen times when Gromnir said exact same things, pointing out that unless there were some evidence o' a grand conspiracy linking the ukrainians or chinese to The Big Guy, which seemed increasing unlikely after bill barr and the trump admin couldn't find nothing, as well as multiple years o' silence from any relevant or reputable justice source since the laptop were first discovered, then the hunter story is no more significant today then it were when Gromnir mentioned in 2020 or 2021 or 2022. nevertheless,  'cause the result is indeed as insignificant as we prognosticated, such is proof o'... what exactly?

so, for the people who is sudden outraged at the hunter story, show us the receipts. go back the past few years and reveal how you were always enraged 'bout tax evasion and an illegal weapon possession. show how when Gromnir brushed off the story as relative insignificant, you stood up for the rule of law and pointed out how vital to the national interest were the story o' hunter's tax evasion.

funny, but this were only a story just so long as no charges were brought. one could say that hunter were getting away with something 'cause he were the son o' the President. is no longer possible to argue the two-tiered justice angle.

hunter charges will be big news for conspiracy nutters and the breitbart fans, but in a few days they will go back to asking 'bout burisma and The Big Guy email precise 'cause this story were nothing... and exact the same nothing as in 2020, 2021, 2022.

so it goes

HA! Good Fun!

ps as usual, the significant part o' the story is not being covered. hunter, according to his lawyers, is no longer the subject o' an ongoing criminal investigation. means hunter and the doj may be called before Congress to discuss... whatever. IF investigation is complete over, that is kinda bad news for the gop diehards who has been trying to prop up the zombie burisma issue for a few years. 'course is gonna be a circus when doj and hunter is subpoenaed by the weaponization committee *snort* to testify. 

Edited June 20, 2023 by Gromnir

[xzar_monty]

2 hours ago, Keyrock said:

Hunter Biden pleads guilty on tax & gun charges

Still Russian misinformation?

Ain't this comment a bit like clutching at short straws.

[Zoraptor]

Eh, the Hunter Biden thing is a bit chicken and egg. There was very clearly an orchestrated effort to suppress anything and everything about Hunter B's laptop in the run up to the last election, which would not have happened if he were Hunter Smith- and definitively wouldn't have happened if it were Donald T jr's. It seems extremely unlikely that there was no input on that from the Democrats/ Biden campaign and it was a wholly spontaneous and apolitical reaction to protect the poor benighted masses against 'fake news'... but at the same time, if he were Hunter Smith people wouldn't have been interested in his laptop anyway, so there would have been no kerfuffle to suppress.

So it very much depends on which side you look at.

(Anything Hunter did wrong is his responsibility though, it only becomes Biden sr's if he tried to protect him via illegal means. Which seems fundamentally unlikely, and even less likely that it could be proven even if he had. Some... reaction against people who actually thought Hunter's conduct was fine and everything about him was fake news is to be expected, but I can't recall anyone here acting like that. There were rather a lot elsewhere though)