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2 minutes ago, Chilloutman said:

All those countries have professional armies. If they didn't have problem fighting in Afghan they surely can go fight in Ukraine. 

In afghanistan it were peasants with goats and occasional RPG. This is Russia, which has hypersonic missiles, a tech which NATO does not have... 

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well if our armies are only able to fight goat herders than whats the point of them?

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6 minutes ago, Chilloutman said:

All those countries have professional armies. If they didn't have problem fighting in Afghan they surely can go fight in Ukraine. 

No army in eastern Europe comes close to Russian capability.
At best there could be a symbolic 'let's die together' stand / suicide pact with Ukrainian troops.

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Symbolic contributions to NATO.

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I think Poland begs to differ. 

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Just now, Chilloutman said:

I think Poland begs to differ. 

Oh I wish.

Latest war games rated Poland at one week of active resistance against Russia without NATO involvement.
Jokes were running that assumption was Russians needed 3 days to sober up. 

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I don't mean they can defeat them themselves but they still have quite big military which would be huge asset in those fights.

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1 minute ago, Chilloutman said:

I don't mean they can defeat them themselves but they still have quite big military which would be huge asset in those fights.

Inderinvested in most areas, with some exeptions of special forces and fast response. Good for support, but awful in the mainland fight. 

The state of German military is god awful, i expect Italian amd Spanish is not much better, maybe French? UK has some capability. Trump was right in a sense, that EU relies on US for its safety and the funding of milirtary was pitful. 

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2 minutes ago, Chilloutman said:

I don't mean they can defeat them themselves but they still have quite big military which would be huge asset in those fights.

Sizable maybe, but I doubt if sheer numbers count for much in the era of precision munitions.
I don't think we have the morale for human wave attacks either.

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23 minutes ago, Darkpriest said:

Dane?

If Sweden or Germany had joined Russia, they probably would (be looking for a fight).

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Effing Germans blocked cutting Russia from SWIFT. Spineless hecks, first they ruin their independence by shutting down nuclear power plants and becoming dependent on gas from Russia and than they act like nothing is happening, Its Munich 2.0

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2 minutes ago, Chilloutman said:

Effing Germans blocked cutting Russia from SWIFT. Spineless hecks, first they ruin their independence by shutting down nuclear power plants and becoming dependent on gas from Russia and than they act like nothing is happening, Its Munich 2.0

Not only Germans, but it is easy to put this on them due to historical reasons (Rib-Mol pact) You had more countries against it. 

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yeah Cyprus Italy and Hungary. I doubt they would have such strong voice as Germans tho

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4 minutes ago, Sarex said:

That looks fake as all hell.

I'm by no means an expert in 144p video of air combat, but it really does look super fake.

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It already started, first NATO member has accused NATO and EU of failure to act... Russia and China are probably celebrating...
 

 

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41 minutes ago, Mishaxx said:

It's legit scary. 😕 I feel for Ukraine and just keep watching the news, feeling sick.

"Joined 39 minutes ago" - and straight into the Ukraine thread minutes later? Hmm...

32 minutes ago, Katphood said:

Dunno, this is my source: https://t.me/uniannet

Mirrors of the same video are clowning on it as being merged footage from a video game called "Digital Combat Simulator", but it is not as though I can confirm that.

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4 minutes ago, Darkpriest said:

Thia does look real

 

****. That was horrific to watch, no mercy on either side. The guy in the car was alive when they were trying to remove him from the wreckage.

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Italian prime minister Mario Draghi successfully secured a carve out for Italian luxury goods from the EU's package of economic sanctions against Nato, EU dip tells me. 'Apparently selling Gucci loafers to oligarchs is more of a priority than hitting back at Putin,' source adds.

 

EDIT: Can anybody here confirm, or this is some kind of Onion type news?

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