Politics XXXVII (The 12th Prime)

[Raithe]

[Bartimaeus]

All these Facebook memes/images you guys post never load for me. I think I have a container that prevents anything from a Facebook domain from loading if I'm not actually directly on a Facebook page or something. Probably for the best.

[Guard Dog]

4 hours ago, Gromnir said:

then you really don't know how cops behave in many/most jurisdictions.

One thing I have learned.... as you have said on more than one occasion... don't argue with them and don't talk to them more than the bare minimum. No good comes of that.  And be nice. If they are in the wrong the time to sort that out is after. Even if they are in the right you might still get out of it later. But you are only going to make things worse trying to deal with the police the night of. 

But as far as first hand interactions I have not had many. 

[Raithe]

1 hour ago, Bartimaeus said:

All these Facebook memes/images you guys post never load for me. I think I have a container that prevents anything from a Facebook domain from loading if I'm not actually directly on a Facebook page or something. Probably for the best.

Eh, it's a pain to save an image, upload it to photobucket or some such service,  and then share it on the forums, so I tend to just directly link them.

I've never been able to find an option to delete old pictures from the Forum gallery you can upload to, so it's maxed out from long dead threads.

[213374U]

1 hour ago, Raithe said:

I've never been able to find an option to delete old pictures from the Forum gallery you can upload to, so it's maxed out from long dead threads.

Right. I may be misremembering, but I think there used to be an option to delete images from "My attachments" in the account CP. Now it seems the only way to do it is to delete the attachment directly in the post, but since there are restrictions on editing based on time, that's not a solution.

I'm cross-posting it to the Forum Comments and Issues thread. Feel free to add your own remarks. 

[Hurlshort]

6 hours ago, Guard Dog said:

I've never heard of a DUI that did not lead to arrest. Every state I've ever lived in that was an automatic trip to the pokey.

I had a buddy in college get a DUI at a tailgate for a football game. He was behind the wheel but not actively driving. He was cited and not arrested. I assume he was blasting his music or something obnoxious. I think he got it dropped. 

[Malcador]

1 hour ago, Raithe said:

Eh, it's a pain to save an image, upload it to photobucket or some such service,  and then share it on the forums, so I tend to just directly link them.

I've never been able to find an option to delete old pictures from the Forum gallery you can upload to, so it's maxed out from long dead threads.

What you could do is use Greenshot, I believe you can integrate that with imgur

[Gromnir]

1 hour ago, Guard Dog said:

One thing I have learned.... as you have said on more than one occasion... don't argue with them and don't talk to them more than the bare minimum. No good comes of that.  And be nice. If they are in the wrong the time to sort that out is after. Even if they are in the right you might still get out of it later. But you are only going to make things worse trying to deal with the police the night of. 

 

agreed. most people got sense enough to be wary o' an unfamiliar dog. do not provoke the dog. don't aggravate the dog. things turn sideways and dog attacks, then even if you win, chances are you got bit... and maybe need a hospital visit. 

if you get bit by rex, we can all agree the dog owner is a bad person for not restraining the dog and/or not training him to be better socialized-- even inherent mean dogs may be trained. you shouldn't need be afraid o' some other guy's dog, but the reasonable course o' action is to err on side o' caution with dogs.  

the sense many o' us has when facing a strange dog, we lose when facing cops. cops got guns.  more caution would be appropriate with cops, yes?

HA! Good Fun!

[Guard Dog]

4 hours ago, Gromnir said:

agreed. most people got sense enough to be wary o' an unfamiliar dog. do not provoke the dog. don't aggravate the dog. things turn sideways and dog attacks, then even if you win, chances are you got bit... and maybe need a hospital visit. 

if you get bit by rex, we can all agree the dog owner is a bad person for not restraining the dog and/or not training him to be better socialized-- even inherent mean dogs may be trained. you shouldn't need be afraid o' some other guy's dog, but the reasonable course o' action is to err on side o' caution with dogs.  

the sense many o' us has when facing a strange dog, we lose when facing cops. cops got guns.  more caution would be appropriate with cops, yes?

HA! Good Fun!

Great analogy. I am so stealing that!

[Bartimaeus]

8 hours ago, Malcador said:

What you could do is use Greenshot, I believe you can integrate that with imgur

I mean, if I'm the only one that has an issue with it, then it's probably just easier to stick with posting the Facebook direct links. It's way more trouble for all the people who do that (which is not just Raithe) than it is for me to work around it, .

[Zoraptor]

I see the number strings only as well (due to Firefox's anti tracking nuking fbcdn and similar, I believe), but meh, not an issue.

I quite liked the text descriptions of the missing images that occasionally cropped up since about half the time I could guess the image from that and the other half the time they were amusingly random, but they seem to have stopped.

[Bartimaeus]

24 minutes ago, Zoraptor said:

I see the number strings only as well (due to Firefox's anti tracking nuking fbcdn and similar, I believe), but meh, not an issue.

I quite liked the text descriptions of the missing images that occasionally cropped up since about half the time I could guess the image from that and the other half the time they were amusingly random, but they seem to have stopped.

Still happens sometimes, think it must depend on some fields being set on Facebook itself or something. Can see it here on Raithe's post in the first page:

 

[Raithe]

As a nice point on the whole Republic "We are Law and Order first"..

The Guardian - How they happily de-funded the police we actually need

Specifically, they have pushed to defund:

• The US Chemical Safety Board, which polices major industrial accidents.
• The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, which polices corporations’ compliance with civil rights laws.
• The Consumer Products Safety Commission, which polices industries to make sure their products don’t harm or kill people. The agency now acknowledges that its “funding level has been insufficient to keep pace with the evolving consumer product marketplace.”
• The Internal Revenue Service, which polices the tax system and which is responsible for making sure the wealthy and large corporations pay the taxes they owe. Thanks to this successful effort to defund the police, the agency “conducted 675,000 fewer audits in 2017 than it did in 2010, a drop in the audit rate of 42 percent,” according to ProPublica. With 30,000 fewer tax cops on the beat, a recent Treasury Department report found that 800,000 high-income households have not paid more than $45 billion in owed taxes.
• The Department of Labor, which polices employers and makes sure they aren’t stealing wages, breaking workplace safety rules, ignoring overtime laws, and/or violating workers’ union rights. Amid this particular Republican effort to defund the police, there are now fewer cops scrutinizing employers than ever before and workplace inspections have plummeted – as workplace injuries, deaths and disasters have increased.
• The Public Company Accounting Oversight Board, which polices the accounting industry.
• The Securities and Exchange Commission’s reserve fund, which was established after the financial crisis to bolster the agency’s work policing Wall Street. The agency reports that the number of law enforcement staff “supporting our investigation and litigation efforts remained almost 9 percent lower” today than it was at the start of Trump’s term – and now white collar prosecutions have hit a historic low.
• The law enforcement agencies that police corporate mergers. This effort to defund the antitrust police has come as mergers have accelerated (and there has been some recent effort to reverse the defunding).
• The independent law enforcement agency that policed agribusiness monopolies.
• The Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, which polices the financial industry and works to protect consumers from fraud.
• The law enforcement offices that police federal agencies and root out waste, fraud and abuse.
• The federal program that polices local law enforcement agencies.
• The Environmental Protection Agency, which is responsible for policing polluters. Trump’s first budget proposed to reduce EPA “spending on civil and criminal enforcement by almost 60 percent,” and laying off 200 environmental cops, according to the New York Times. By the middle of Trump’s first year in office, the EPA had “fewer than half of the criminal special agents on the job” during the George W. Bush administration, according to one environmental advocacy group. Bloomberg News noted that Trump’s most recent budget cuts “could hamper the EPA’s efforts to link contamination at hazardous waste sites to companies and others that may be responsible for the pollution.” The result: environmental prosecutions have now hit a historic low.

Trump has called himself the “president of law and order,” but these efforts to defund the police have created lawlessness and disorder. And yet, that hasn’t been mentioned by the politicians and pundits pretending to be scandalized by protesters’ demands for a change in criminal justice priorities.

Apparently, we’re expected to be horrified by proposals to reduce funding for the militarized police forces that are violently attacking peaceful protesters – but we’re supposed to obediently accept the defunding of the police forces responsible for protecting the population from the wealthy and powerful.

[BruceVC]

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/15/supreme-court-rules-workers-cant-be-fired-for-being-gay-or-transgender.html

Here is some good news, the USA SC ruled you cannot fire someone for being gay...brilliant outcome and a victory for human rights 

 

[HoonDing]

You can get fired with no reason given.

[Skarpen]

3 hours ago, BruceVC said:

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/15/supreme-court-rules-workers-cant-be-fired-for-being-gay-or-transgender.html

Here is some good news, the USA SC ruled you cannot fire someone for being gay...brilliant outcome and a victory for human rights 

 

 

36 minutes ago, HoonDing said:

You can get fired with no reason given.

How is it in USA? In Poland for a contracted employee employeer need to state a reason if fired. 

[Amentep]

With the exception of certain employment situations in the US, for most professional jobs you'd need to show cause or violations of the employment contract to terminate someone.   Temporary work, day-to-day employees, etc. will be exceptions.

[Skarpen]

7 minutes ago, Amentep said:

With the exception of certain employment situations in the US, for most professional jobs you'd need to show cause or violations of the employment contract to terminate someone.   Temporary work, day-to-day employees, etc. will be exceptions.

So it's similar then. Was it common to cite being homosexual or trans person as a reason for termination? Otherwise I don't really see what would be the impact of this SC decision.

[Amentep]

In this case for the Supreme Court, my understanding is that the official reason he was terminated was listed as "conduct unbecoming", and that when he pushed about the reasoning was able to make some connection between his firing and his joining a gay sports team.  

When there isn't a documented pattern of employee issues to justify cause it opens employers up to accusations of manufacturing cause in a firing.

 

[ShadySands]

14 minutes ago, Skarpen said:

So it's similar then. Was it common to cite being homosexual or trans person as a reason for termination? Otherwise I don't really see what would be the impact of this SC decision.

At-will employees can be terminated at any time for any non illegal reasons. I think there're other provisions and exceptions in different states but I'm not well-versed on this topic.

Edited June 15, 2020 by ShadySands

[Lexx]

So if anyone can be fired at any time for no reasons given, then ... this whole "can't fire gay people"-thing is ... kinda useless? They will certainly say that you have not been fired because of the gay, then you will have to bring the prove, which in most cases is probably pretty hard or impossible.

[Raithe]

I did find it amusing that Atlanta called in the National Guard.. and then the NG started dancing with the protestors

NationalGuard.mil - Defuse tension with Atlanta Protestors

Other cities in the US: "It's a war zone!" Meanwhile, in Atlanta: "Dance War!"

 

 

 

Edited June 15, 2020 by Raithe

[Gromnir]

2 hours ago, HoonDing said:

You can get fired with no reason given.

relative few jobs in the US, even professional, is covered by a contract. at-will is standard. 

nevertheless, just as when issue is the employee's race and religion and other protected classes/groups, if the plaintiff shows proof the employer fired for an improper reason, even if no reason is provided, the employer will need make the plaintiff whole.  

thanks to social media and email, employers is frequent memorializing their stoopidity, so one not even need rely on recollections o' a parade o' disgruntled employees who perhaps overheard a conversation which may or may not avoid hearsay depending on situation and context. 

HA! Good Fun!

[Volourn]

 

Racism is a white only disease, y'all. :rollseyes:

 

[Gromnir]

Trump calls it 'inappropriate' for Bolton to write book

“If he wrote a book, I can’t imagine that he can because that’s highly classified information,” Trump, who said he hadn’t read the book, told reporters during a meeting in the Cabinet Room. 

“I will consider every conversation with me as president highly classified. So that would mean if he wrote a book and if the book gets out, he’s broken the law and I would think he would have criminal problems,” Trump continued.

...

well, that's just wrong. not need to explain why is wrong, yes? should be axiomatic that President don't get to declare all private conversations with his exalted personage highly classified and the divulging o' contents from such conversations to be worthy o' criminalization. 

*shrug*

am admitted curious to hear how the fox pundits will spin this as we continue to see the chief executive slouch towards tyranny.

HA! Good Fun!