BruceVC Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Yet people will continue to argue that certain countries aren't actuyally ****holes and are actually 'better' than the US. LMAO As for SA, they are what they are. Murderous dictatorship. And, Trump is gonna do what basically every other president has done - continue to let them slide. btw, That excuse they came up with is the most believable defense I have ever heard for murder/assassination. Yeah. No the Saudi and USA relationship is much more nuanced, historical and significant than just this incident The best way to see this is to not focus on these terrible mistakes but rather the important role that Saudi Arabia needs to play in the broader ME and future stability for the region. "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maedhros Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 What's nuanced about it? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 What's nuanced about it? Excellent question but before I respond how do you see the Saudi\USA relationship? Please include as much details as possible because there are different views people have on Saudi Arabia "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Theory of the day: Bruce and SonicMage are the same person. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Theory of the day: Bruce and SonicMage are the same person. I remember when I use to be compared to Oby....that was hilarious "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 There's nothing nuanced about it. THE US uses SA to combat Iran. That is why they 'put up' witH SA's evil. DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elerond Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 There's nothing nuanced about it. THE US uses SA to combat Iran. That is why they 'put up' witH SA's evil. Yeah it is old but still very working strategy of fighting evil by supporting bigger evil Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
majestic Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 Theory of the day: Bruce and SonicMage are the same person. Yeah we had that theory at some point over in the gaming forum. No mind to think. No will to break. No voice to cry suffering. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BruceVC Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 There's nothing nuanced about it. THE US uses SA to combat Iran. That is why they 'put up' witH SA's evil. Yeah it is old but still very working strategy of fighting evil by supporting bigger evil Elerond what do you think of the whole Saudi\USA relationship ? "Abashed the devil stood and felt how awful goodness is and saw Virtue in her shape how lovely: and pined his loss” John Milton "We don't stop playing because we grow old; we grow old because we stop playing.” - George Bernard Shaw "What counts in life is not the mere fact that we have lived. It is what difference we have made to the lives of others that will determine the significance of the life we lead" - Nelson Mandela Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elerond Posted October 20, 2018 Share Posted October 20, 2018 There's nothing nuanced about it. THE US uses SA to combat Iran. That is why they 'put up' witH SA's evil. Yeah it is old but still very working strategy of fighting evil by supporting bigger evil Elerond what do you think of the whole Saudi\USA relationship ? It is mutually benefitical relationship where both parties turn blindeye towards things that another does that goes against their ideological values, because they see that economical, geopolitical and militaristic benefits that relationship brings are more important than their ideological values that they just can shutup otherwise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/19/us/politics/russia-nuclear-arms-treaty-trump-administration.html US to leave the INF treaty https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate-Range_Nuclear_Forces_Treaty Edited October 21, 2018 by Malcador Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agiel Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 (edited) https://www.nytimes.com/2018/10/19/us/politics/russia-nuclear-arms-treaty-trump-administration.html US to leave the INF treaty https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intermediate-Range_Nuclear_Forces_Treaty The argument that INF tied the United States' hand vis a vis China (curiously the reasoning Putin tried to use when he attempted to take Russia out of it before) makes absolutely zero sense; the treaty only forbids _ground-launched_ cruise missiles, and its arsenal of both air and sea-launched missiles (be it from Mk. 41 destroyers and cruisers or submarines, though this would require refitting nuclear warheads onto Tomahawks, as the nuclear-armed missiles were taken out of service in the early 2000s) are more than sufficient for the deterrence role. Most likely scenario is that no new platform that would have violated INF will be deployed by the US in Europe (as the DoD previously didn't see the need) where Russia's programs will go into overdrive. Words by James Acton: https://twitter.com/james_acton32/status/1053793374090731520 Edited October 21, 2018 by Agiel Quote “Political philosophers have often pointed out that in wartime, the citizen, the male citizen at least, loses one of his most basic rights, his right to life; and this has been true ever since the French Revolution and the invention of conscription, now an almost universally accepted principle. But these same philosophers have rarely noted that the citizen in question simultaneously loses another right, one just as basic and perhaps even more vital for his conception of himself as a civilized human being: the right not to kill.” -Jonathan Littell <<Les Bienveillantes>> Quote "The chancellor, the late chancellor, was only partly correct. He was obsolete. But so is the State, the entity he worshipped. Any state, entity, or ideology becomes obsolete when it stockpiles the wrong weapons: when it captures territories, but not minds; when it enslaves millions, but convinces nobody. When it is naked, yet puts on armor and calls it faith, while in the Eyes of God it has no faith at all. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of Man...that state is obsolete." -Rod Serling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Katphood Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 The current political climate revolving around U.S, Iran and Saudi Arabia reminds me of WWF/WCW in the mid 90's. There used to be a signature here, a really cool one...and now it's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted October 21, 2018 Share Posted October 21, 2018 8 The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Paul Krugman (living proof that a nobel prize is about as valuable as a participation trophy) says if the Dems win Congress in two weeks Trump won't "accept" the results. This again? What does he think Trump can do? I remember some folks saying Obama would not leave office when his term was up. I don't think anyone in the US was happier to see January 20th 2017 than Barak Obama was. It is ironic, the very people bemoaning the toxic political atmosphere in this country are the ones fomenting the very thing they complain about. It's like they want to create a "situation" just so that can be right that a "situation" was brewing. The wort part of all is it's all just a show. A farce. The winner of the Giants - Falcons game tonight will have a greater impact on the world than the winners of the 2018 midterms. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smjjames Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I haven't heard anything about Trump not 'accepting' the results (he has been throwing around 'warnings' of 'voter fraud' though), just that he won't accept the blame if the Republicans lose the House. Looks like the Senate could end up being either status quo or the Republicans win a seat or two, it's a tough one for Democrats. Didn't hear any people saying that Obama would refuse to step down either if Trump won. The winner of the Giants - Falcons game tonight will have a greater impact on the world than the winners of the 2018 midterms. I wouldn't bet on it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I haven't heard anything about Trump not 'accepting' the results (he has been throwing around 'warnings' of 'voter fraud' though), just that he won't accept the blame if the Republicans lose the House. Looks like the Senate could end up being either status quo or the Republicans win a seat or two, it's a tough one for Democrats. Didn't hear any people saying that Obama would refuse to step down either if Trump won. The winner of the Giants - Falcons game tonight will have a greater impact on the world than the winners of the 2018 midterms. I wouldn't bet on it. Paul Krugman said it yesterday. As far as Obama not leaving office it was not thrown around by serious political or media, just the fringes. And of course "people you know". From what I've read the only President in recent memory who wasn't happy when his term ended was Clinton. Free cigars and interns? That guy wanted to stay! But this is a thing that comes up around here every two years and has very little merit. Another nugget of propaganda thrown around to convince people to vote by telling them the people of opposite political inclination are their literal enemies waiting for the chance to take over everything and bring about 1000 years of darkness, etc. Suppose Clinton won in 2016. Aside from Goresuch what would be different? Assuming Kennedy did not want to retire with Clinton in office? Spending has gone up? Check Still fighting in Afghanistan, Syria, 180 other places around the world? Check. ACA still a thing? Check Immigration status quo? Check Tax Cut? Well, that would not have happened. Clinton thinks that's HER money not YOUR money. Otherwise.... can't think of much. If the Dems take over the House which they are likely to do, then they will control what gets funded and what does not. So they will be in a position to STOP things but not DO things. So you are likely looking at two years of status quo until 2020 when we put all the dice back in the cup and shake them up again. But status quo appeared to be just fine to the Republicans in the House after the initial flurry last year. So again... not much will change. Personally I hope they do take the House. I always sleep better when the government is divided. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 "says if the Dems win Congress in two weeks Trump won't "accept" the results." That's funny considering the Dems still haven't accepted the results from last eyar. To the point that they have tried, and have continued to try to kick him out and will use any trick - legal or otherwise - to accomplish their mission. That is their prerogative but be honest about your hypocrisy. Let's not forget pre presidential election, Trump said he would only accept the results if he felt they were above board and legit. Dems were livid and people like Obama sated that it wa sundemcoratic and unAmerikan to not accept the results because the election is always above board and cannot be hacked. The moment he won, it's been nothing but spam about how the US election was hacked... by Russian spamming on the internet. Seriously, that is the HUGE hacking scandal. A bunch of spammers and trolls. LMAO DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 I still fail to see how anyone figures the election was "hacked". So a bunch of russian bots and trolls were spreading disinformation on social media and other parts of the internet. Seriously who believes anything they read on the internet? Suppose I told all of you my entire back story was fake and I'm really a FBI agent working with INTERPOL in a joint investigation to ensnare Malcador & Volo (who are both the same person BTW) for criminal sarcasm and trolling for dwarves to be added into ALL rpgs ever made (including ones not in a fantasy setting) and of course mail fraud and money laundering? And you know it MUST be true. Someone you don't know just wrote it on the internet! But then again people still fall for the Nigerian Prince and catfish scams. You can't fix stupid. 1 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted October 22, 2018 Share Posted October 22, 2018 Seriously who believes anything they read on the internet? I think you may be overestimating your countrymen (like every country I guess) a tad. 2 Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 "Seriously who believes anything they read on the internet?" HIS NAME WAS SETH RICH The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 European Commission rejects Italian government's spending plans. Maybe a "Northern Europe Union" would be better? Everyone else seems like they are suffering under the yoke. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injurai Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 European Commission rejects Italian government's spending plans. Maybe a "Northern Europe Union" would be better? Everyone else seems like they are suffering under the yoke. The EU wants their own equivalent to "Middle America." So they need the second class member nations. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 (edited) L0L EU is evil and full of Nazis. And, theya re gonna punished Italians because they don't like what a gov't wants to do. I thought EU existed to help. Not. EVIL TO THE CORE. Let the Italian people decide who governs them. Edited October 23, 2018 by Volourn DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted October 23, 2018 Share Posted October 23, 2018 "L0L EU is evil and full of Nazis. And, theya re gonna punished Italians because they don't like what a gov't wants to do. I thought EU existed to help. Not. EVIL TO THE CORE. Let the Italian people decide who governs them." The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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