Katphood Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Pepsi is not the enemy of Coca Cola drinkers. Pepsi tastes better though. There used to be a signature here, a really cool one...and now it's gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilloutman Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 *points at the bloody war of 2016*. Okay, not literally bloody, but it did kind of crystallize what has been building up for years on the right, fuel lens by the likes of Fox News. I also wonder how many of those are just people agreeing with Trump without giving any thought to it. Lol, if you think that 'right' wing media are responsible for Trump you are delusional xD I didn't say that, just that the right has their hand in creating the anti-media atmosphere. One thing is missing from the article. The acknowledgement that the press is equally responsible for this situation. He seems to get what I meant. Hah, i will put in rough google translate from article in local media: ANALYSIS: The media have their own Jihad against Trump The 350 American newspapers agreed and on an editorial comment on Thursday revealed how horrible the president is to the media. It's as hysterically over the top as the American media's whole approach to Trump. They do the same thing he does. This destroys them. it does not look like it, but it's a dismal look. Here are some captions of recent headlines. Washington Post: It's no mistake to compare Trump's America to the Holocaust. New York Times: Trump's Way to Martial Law in America. Washington Post: Trump spreads racism with fighter pilot accuracy. NBC has compared the summit with Putin to the Crystal Night, the internet magazine Slate has invited a German historian to seriously ask him whether Trump's US has changed into something similar to Nazi Germany (the historian: "It's not"). Just in July, the three articles of the New York Times on Trump referred to Nazism or neo-Nazism, with dozens associating it with racists. The search engine in this worksheet on Thursday, when entering the slogans "Trump" and "Nazi", has spawned 1,812 articles. And once again the New York Times, though not far from the most jaded: the electronic version of the opinion column includes a cartoon in which the smelly and defiant Trump meets half-naked Putin, later they are both just in slips, kissing, tangling tongues and splashing saliva is seen in detail, as if from the inside. What would have happened if Trump had sent something like this to his opponents? That's the problem. Journalists who complain about Trump's statements about the media ("fake news") prove slowly with each other the word that he has a lot of truth. Impartial reporters have become activists The initiators of Thursday's event emphasized that no US president had been so horrible in the media. But same applies to them. The media in the US are in a schizophrenic situation. Trump feeds them, getting them big revenue, yet they wants to destroy him. During the campaign, they(media) grazed, did not take him seriously, he was just a clown, but then they found out that anything about Trump would raise their audience and load (reading count). So, the more, the better. The media helped make Trump - and when the clown won the election, they was afraid. The American journalism, whose quality, while lying behind the legend but still one of the best in the world, has become a cartoon. Impartial reporters have become activists. they do not report about Trump, they are fighting against him. Objectivity went aside, fueled by bias, bending facts, and a double standards. Messages are masked personal attitudes of the editors. For the one who watches the American press every day, it is daunting to see how the juvenile is at one hand and how they violates the rules that were holy. Only a hunt without rules remained. Shattered distortion, childish catching for the word, neglect of irony and its explanation as literal. The situation is so bad that the media publicly condemns journalist guru Bob Woodward from the Watergate affair. When Trump separates migrant children from parents and guides, the media prints their pictures in "cages" that have been photographed during Obama reign and abhore them as"Trump's concentration camps." While during Obama presidency no one mind about it. When the psychopath fired the local newspaper because they did not want to publish an apology for years about him, the Trump was to blame becaus he insult media, which the Washington Post congratulated by sentence: "We are approaching the day the blood in the editorial will be blood on the President's hands." No one is contemplating that than someone might try to shoot Trump. The struggle with the president has become an obsession There is no question that somebody should denie Trump access to Twitter and instruct Valium when he is about to talk about the media because he is hurting himself and nurturing the crisis. He picked up a thrown glove because the media had evaluated his victory as a mistake to correct. Washington Post puts a blown-up motto "The truth is dying in the darkness" and the New York Times on Thursday came out with the headline "Free Press" needs you. They have a little truth. They're under fire. But this war of extermination is depicted unilaterally because of the media that depict it. The struggle with an unexpected president has become an obsession, and then a disease that eats even the best titles. Fighting Trump is dangerously vivid. American press and television have the lowest credibility in history. Trying to get Trump came back as a boomerang. Trump accuses the media of printing fake news, and they responded with such childish stubbornes that most Americans really think about them that they are actually printing fake news. The 350 head lines will not change it, even if they are over-confident. I Can't agree more, and news from which it is is quite left leaning and very progressive source: https://zpravy.idnes.cz/donald-trump-media-milan-vodicka-analyza-fdy-/zahranicni.aspx?c=A180817_421285_zahranicni_aha 1 I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Good article. Its nice to see that countries outside of the US can see whats going on. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoonDing Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Why didn't previous presidents whine about fake news every day? The ending of the words is ALMSIVI. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilloutman Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Why didn't previous presidents whine about fake news every day? How many articles were comparing previouse presidents to Hitler? I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blarghagh Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Impartial reporters have become activists Impartial reporters is, has always been and will always be an oxymoron and expecting or demanding anything else is the mark of only the last part of that word. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Why didn't previous presidents whine about fake news every day? How many articles were comparing previouse presidents to Hitler? Well Obama typically got compared to socialists, Bush got the village idiot labels, and Clinton got the Jerry Springer cheater treatment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 @G1fted Reincarnation is...technically possible. If someone is born that is similar to you in almost every way, then you are reborn! Likely, 'you' have also lived in the past. In a physical resemblance kind of way, sure. But imo, your "soul" and everything that makes you "you", is located directly between your ears and "you" will cease to exist upon death. "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilloutman Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Why didn't previous presidents whine about fake news every day? How many articles were comparing previouse presidents to Hitler? Well Obama typically got compared to socialists, Bush got the village idiot labels, and Clinton got the Jerry Springer cheater treatment. I am pretty sure even you can see that being called cheater (and in the end rightfully so) is not same as being called Nazi holocaust supporter I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chilloutman Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Impartial reporters have become activistsImpartial reporters is, has always been and will always be an oxymoron and expecting or demanding anything else is the mark of only the last part of that word. Cherry picking much? I'm the enemy, 'cause I like to think, I like to read. I'm into freedom of speech, and freedom of choice. I'm the kinda guy that likes to sit in a greasy spoon and wonder, "Gee, should I have the T-bone steak or the jumbo rack of barbecue ribs with the side-order of gravy fries?" I want high cholesterol! I wanna eat bacon, and butter, and buckets of cheese, okay?! I wanna smoke a Cuban cigar the size of Cincinnati in the non-smoking section! I wanna run naked through the street, with green Jell-O all over my body, reading Playboy magazine. Why? Because I suddenly may feel the need to, okay, pal? I've SEEN the future. Do you know what it is? It's a 47-year-old virgin sitting around in his beige pajamas, drinking a banana-broccoli shake, singing "I'm an Oscar Meyer Wiene" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Pepsi is not the enemy of Coca Cola drinkers. Pepsi tastes better though. We need a "dislike" button! 3 "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 The Hitler/Nazi comparison is so tired and overused it would be no surprise iif people began to forget what he and they really were. "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) Didn't people call Bush Hitler ? Wonder if those headlines are from editorials or just open opinion columns. Still, is a good article, the US press sure has enough meaty stuff to bother the administration about other than crap like Omarosa or tweets. Edited August 17, 2018 by Malcador Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volourn Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Kanadian press loved to call our former PM Hitler, Nazi, and dictator too. Funny how all these NA 'dictators' all leave the job with no fuss once their term9s) are up like Bush or they voted out like Harper. Not really dictator type behavior. L0L DWARVES IN PROJECT ETERNITY = VOLOURN HAS PLEDGED $250. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Impartial reporters have become activistsImpartial reporters is, has always been and will always be an oxymoron and expecting or demanding anything else is the mark of only the last part of that word. the fake news folks like to spout off 'bout impartial reporting when such has never been a thing... has never been a goal. surely the founding fathers were not advocating impartial press. the American revolution were never overwhelming popular, and the revolutionaries made considerable use o' newspapers and pamphlets to stoke the flames o' rebellion. the framers o' the bill o' rights didn't call for the freedom o' an unbiased and impartial press. when discussing the tea tax eventual made famous by a group o' boston vandals, colonial press were not compelled by journalistic integrity to reveal how john han****'s revolutionary verve were much motivated by how his lucrative smuggling operations had been largely destroyed by implementation o' the tea tax, or how the price o' tea had decreased with the imposition o' the tax. the revolutionaries knew exactly how biased the press could be, and they approved o' such in spite o' recognition o' how the press could and would eventual be used by Americans against Americans. there were a firm held belief that as annoying as were those speech and press freedoms to the establishment, only tyrants had reason to fear such freedoms. the press has always been biased. good. we do not want impartial reporters. we want invested reporters who believe their efforts will change hearts and minds. biased reporting however, is not same thing as fake news. somehow what woulda' seemed like a simple thing to define a few years ago has become elastic thanks to the new administration. factual incorrect news woulda' been what we thought o' as fake news even a couple years ago, but such is no longer sufficient broad for many folks at both edges o' the pollical spectrum. fake news now encompasses a general, and highly fluid notion o' fairness and impartiality? the fake news people invented a goal for the press which were never real save as to show how the press were failing to meet the goal. the civil war were different. is the one time we can identify in history o' the US when media were routine seen as enemies by the government and by the people o' the US. Lincoln arrested and jailed at least 14,000 journalists during a relative brief period o' time, and considering the population o' the US at the time, 14k is a big number. sure, some o' those jailed journalists were in fact seditious. knowingly print forged documents purporting to reveal evils o' the federal government during a time o' war? it is a far different thing than bias to purposeful print a draft o' an executive order knowing such copy were complete fabricated. that is fake news. on the other hand, to claim in print that Lincoln were tyrannical and abusing Constitutional powers were opinion and would not have been considered fake news in the US 'tween 1776 and 2015... save for perhaps from approx. 1861-1865. now personally am thinking the polarization o' the press, much as the polarization o' elected officials and Americans, has become excessive. the comical hypocrisy o' trump decrying fake news given his tenuous familiarity with the truth does not necessarily personal justify the often rabid preoccupation the press has with every trump foible. however, the press has become more biased since 2000, but apparent the shift towards more bias were conscious and willful rather than simple a mirroring o' cultural changes. https://web.stanford.edu/~ayurukog/cable_news.pdf is worth a full read. have posted the link before and am knowing it ain't gonna get more than a couple cursory glances this time, but the financial success o' fox moving towards more overt bias actual resulted in an industry wide shift towards increased polarization. is worth noting how MSNBC actual initial attempted to out-conservative fox 'fore they did a near 180 and decided to fill the more liberal niche. bloggers and internet news sources is even more likely to produce news meant to appeal to a particular viewpoint. as such, am willing to agree that the press helped bring forth this plague o' polarization. unfortunate, fox news appears to be patient x as it were and regardless, as much as we do not like the growing extremism o' American culture (including the press) we must yet again observe how 2018 is hardly the moment in history when the US press were most willful aggressive and unabashed critical o' the establishment. why is 2018 different from far more significant economic and social upheavals o' the past when the press were equal rabid? nixon had a private list o' enemies o' which more than a few luminaries were members o' the media, but even he didn't identify the press as a whole as an enemy o' the people. regardless, complain 'bout lack o' impartial reporting is easily ignored. has never been something to which media has aspired and has never been a limit on the press imposed by law or culture. one might go so far as to suggest that the criticism o' journalists who fail to be impartial is, in point o' fact, fake news. HA! Good Fun! 3 "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Kanadian press loved to call our former PM Hitler, Nazi, and dictator too. Funny how all these NA 'dictators' all leave the job with no fuss once their term9s) are up like Bush or they voted out like Harper. Not really dictator type behavior. L0L Don't really recall the press doing that here, plenty of people probably did, I will check. Trudeau sure gets low effort insults but mainly from rags only dumbass proles read like The Sun (smart proles read the National Post ) Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Huh, I thought Canadians loved Trudeau like Nu Jesus. 1 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) as a related aside, is a nice article 'bout excessive reliance on anonymous sources. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2018-08-16/trump-s-speeches-feature-mystery-men-the-white-house-won-t-name oh, and for those who think we can't say anything nice 'bout trump https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/trump-calls-on-regulators-to-consider-changing-how-often-companies-report-earnings/ar-BBM2OKN?ocid=spartanntp we kinda like the idea, though am not certain if six months is an arbitrary starting point number or an actual goal. regardless, have never been a fan o' quarterly report culture, so am in favor of exploring alternatives. HA! Good Fun! Edited August 17, 2018 by Gromnir "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Huh, I thought Canadians loved Trudeau like Nu Jesus. Depends on what you are I guess. Liberals love him for being progressive, 'cool', etc. and conservatives make fun of him for being wishy washy, some sort of SJW, etc. Then you have most people in between. Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hurlshort Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) We all understand that the best thing for Trump is to be an enemy of the press, right? I'm pretty sure if we would add all the negative coverage of president Trump for his now 1.5 year term it would exceed Obama negative coverage for his two terms. First off, Trump has attacked the press way more than any president that I can think of in the modern era, so it's a two way street. That has also worked to his benefit. I doubt he gets elected without his war with the "liberal" press. He knows exactly what he is doing. Trump knows how to be a media darling. He was in that position from the 80's until the last decade. It didn't serve his interests to continue that way. This is a game he is playing and if you take it seriously as a liberal or conservative, you are playing into his hand. Edit: Ugh, I also hate referring to the Press as some singular entity. It's way more complex than that. Edited August 17, 2018 by Hurlshot Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agiel Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 (edited) https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/markets/trump-calls-on-regulators-to-consider-changing-how-often-companies-report-earnings/ar-BBM2OKN?ocid=spartanntp we kinda like the idea, though am not certain if six months is an arbitrary starting point number or an actual goal. regardless, have never been a fan o' quarterly report culture, so am in favor of exploring alternatives. HA! Good Fun! Must have some MKUltra contraption in my car since that was largely my sentiment when I heard about it over the radio this morning. It's a deregulation proposal that is of that rarest of breeds: One that actually favours regular Joes over Gordon Gekko types who can shrug off the capital gains tax penalties for short-selling. The pressure to deliver favourable earnings calls every quarter seems to tie the hands of executives trying to invest in the long-term health of the company, perhaps exemplified by analysts grousing things like "Labor is being paid first again. Shareholders get leftovers." Edited August 17, 2018 by Agiel 1 Quote “Political philosophers have often pointed out that in wartime, the citizen, the male citizen at least, loses one of his most basic rights, his right to life; and this has been true ever since the French Revolution and the invention of conscription, now an almost universally accepted principle. But these same philosophers have rarely noted that the citizen in question simultaneously loses another right, one just as basic and perhaps even more vital for his conception of himself as a civilized human being: the right not to kill.” -Jonathan Littell <<Les Bienveillantes>> Quote "The chancellor, the late chancellor, was only partly correct. He was obsolete. But so is the State, the entity he worshipped. Any state, entity, or ideology becomes obsolete when it stockpiles the wrong weapons: when it captures territories, but not minds; when it enslaves millions, but convinces nobody. When it is naked, yet puts on armor and calls it faith, while in the Eyes of God it has no faith at all. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of Man...that state is obsolete." -Rod Serling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raithe Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 2 "Cuius testiculos habeas, habeas cardia et cerebellum." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 Is that how the UK press performs? Here in the US, "fact checking" only comes into play when they get caught out. 1 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 From what I've seen fact checking in US media is just another way to dress up bias as being impartial. Obama: "Cancer was cured during my presidency" Fact Checker: mostly true, lots of people recovered from cancer while Obama was president. Trump: "Cancer was cured during my presidency" Fact Checker: lol rofl pull the other one cheeto. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromnir Posted August 17, 2018 Share Posted August 17, 2018 yes, the US press does need be a bit more serious 'bout fact checking. HA! Good Fun! "If there be time to expose through discussion the falsehood and fallacies, to avert the evil by the processes of education, the remedy to be applied is more speech, not enforced silence."Justice Louis Brandeis, Concurring, Whitney v. California, 274 U.S. 357 (1927) "Im indifferent to almost any murder as long as it doesn't affect me or mine."--Gfted1 (September 30, 2019) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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