thundercleese Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 So it turns out that Spirit Frenzy will apply staggered on spells, including those that do no damage (ie pure debuffs). Not sure if this is widely known or not but I was pleasantly surprised when Serafen cast Phantom Foes on a room full of mobs and they all received staggered as well as flanked! Thought at first maybe it was a wild surge, but no it is clearly listed on the mobs as being from Spirit Frenzy. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) Yes! I'm playing a nuking Warlock right now and that effect is very, very good. I think this will get fixed/nerfed. Blood Frenzy only works on weapon (and Carnage?) hits and so I guess Spirit Frenzy is supposed to work the same way. At least it shouldn't trigger on hit rolls that deal no damage (like huge CC spells - just my opinion). If it's intended like it is: even better! Edited July 31, 2018 by Boeroer 1 Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleese Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 It's possible it is intended, in that how is a CC spell supposed to make something bleed? Or a fireball for that matter? Whereas staggering can happen from anything with sufficient force (physical or mental). Though seeing as neither of them make specific mention of weapon attacks, yet only one of them works on non-weapon "attacks", it is probably unintended. Will enjoy it while I can though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hilfazer Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Oh no! X works with Y! Quickly, Obsidian, destroy it! 3 Vancian =/= per rest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleese Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 Okay, what's not so great about this with Serafen is it appears to be applying staggered to him constantly. Fairly certain Wild Mind is the culpript here, but as I have his AI set to cast frenzy when he has no might inspiration - RIP all my rage. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UltimaLuminaire Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 (edited) Blood Frenzy requires a crit, which Carnage cannot do. The conditions are otherwise similar to Spirit Frenzy, so as long as you crit with the spell you should be good. The reason for this is because neither Blood Frenzy, Blood Storm, Spirit Frenzy, or Spirit Tornado status effect objects filter for specific keywords.For instance, if you wanted to make a mod that caused all Monastic Unarmed Training attacks to Distract on graze, hit, or crit, you can pretty much copy paste Spirit Frenzy/Tornado's "hits cause stagger" effect and just replace the status effect it would apply on trigger with a Distract effect from somewhere else. Then add the unarmed keyword to the KeywordIDs under Attack Filter as well as the proper ID to the Monastic Unarmed Training ability. Bam, instant over powered unarmed attacks. Edited July 31, 2018 by UltimaLuminaire Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ophiuchus Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 So many great discussions on Warlock lately. I'm glad players are enjoying it - probably my favorite multiclass. Slash and Burn: A Warlock Guide Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Clerith Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Spirit Frenzy is the 'spiritual' version of Frenzy, so I'd really like this this to be an intended thing, and not just a bug. It just seems so fitting, and is great for Barb/Magic multiclass. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 It is indeed. Also works with chanter's offensive phrases by the way. A Skald/Barb I tested just five minutes ago was staggering foes with Soft Winds. Pretty nasty... 1 Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleese Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 It is indeed. Also works with chanter's offensive phrases by the way. A Skald/Barb I tested just five minutes ago was staggering foes with Soft Winds. Pretty nasty... Might be time to pick up Konstantenopal... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AndreaColombo Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Very nice and interesting find! "Time is not your enemy. Forever is." — Fall-From-Grace, Planescape: Torment "It's the questions we can't answer that teach us the most. They teach us how to think. If you give a man an answer, all he gains is a little fact. But give him a question, and he'll look for his own answers." — Kvothe, The Wise Man's Fears My Deadfire mods: Brilliant Mod | Faster Deadfire | Deadfire Unnerfed | Helwalker Rekke | Permanent Per-Rest Bonuses | PoE Items for Deadfire | No Recyled Icons | Soul Charged Nautilus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
knownastherat Posted July 31, 2018 Share Posted July 31, 2018 Spirit Frenzy is the 'spiritual' version of Frenzy, so I'd really like this this to be an intended thing, and not just a bug. It just seems so fitting, and is great for Barb/Magic multiclass. It does not seem fitting to me since there is no spell inflicting Staggered. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hansvedic Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 It is indeed. Also works with chanter's offensive phrases by the way. A Skald/Barb I tested just five minutes ago was staggering foes with Soft Winds. Pretty nasty... Is this still the case? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boeroer Posted November 29, 2018 Share Posted November 29, 2018 Don't know. Normal spells still work though (had a Warlock recently and stuff like Fireball staggers). So I guess this hasn't changed. Deadfire Community Patch: Nexus Mods Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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