Guard Dog Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) Going off on a tangent here. If the US, Mexico, & Canada were to unite in a single country what might that look like? Politically? Economically? Culturally? Edited June 19, 2018 by Guard Dog "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 It would look like the EU. A complete soup sandwich. 1 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 It would look like the EU. A complete soup sandwich. Soup sandwich! I am SO stealing that one! "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Going off on a tangent here. If the US, Mexico, & Canada were to unite in a single country what might that look like? Politically? Economically? Culturally?Wonder what government system it would have, I guess we'd probably stick with the US system and end up with the US portion dominating the rest of the country. One good thing, you can send all the wannabe soldier cops down to Mexico to fight the cartels Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gfted1 Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 With the exchange rate in Mexico being 20-1, I dug deep into my pocket and purchase a pair of Oakley sunglasses for 250 peso ($12 US) while I was on vacation. They are totally not a knockoff. 2 "I'm your biggest fan, Ill follow you until you love me, Papa" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guard Dog Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 New York NEEDS this man. This whole country NEEDS this man. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dA_eTtULKAo "While it is true you learn with age, the down side is what you often learn is what a damn fool you were before" Thomas Sowell Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smjjames Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 It would look like the EU. A complete soup sandwich. Not as complex culturally, but yeah, it'd still be a soup sandwich. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ktchong Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) Libertarianism - the cult of Ayn Rand - is the real problem of this country. Edited June 19, 2018 by ktchong 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aluminiumtrioxid Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 I mean, it kind of is, but this sounds like a ****ty dig against the man? "Lulz is not the highest aspiration of art and mankind, no matter what the Encyclopedia Dramatica says." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smjjames Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) nvm Edited June 19, 2018 by smjjames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Agiel Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) Were this a sketch on "Rowan and Martin's Laugh-In" this would be the move the blatant KGB mole with a 10-gallon hat secured over the Ushanka his head with scotch tape would pull in front of the cameras to try and deflect suspicion off of him. Edited June 19, 2018 by Agiel Quote “Political philosophers have often pointed out that in wartime, the citizen, the male citizen at least, loses one of his most basic rights, his right to life; and this has been true ever since the French Revolution and the invention of conscription, now an almost universally accepted principle. But these same philosophers have rarely noted that the citizen in question simultaneously loses another right, one just as basic and perhaps even more vital for his conception of himself as a civilized human being: the right not to kill.” -Jonathan Littell <<Les Bienveillantes>> Quote "The chancellor, the late chancellor, was only partly correct. He was obsolete. But so is the State, the entity he worshipped. Any state, entity, or ideology becomes obsolete when it stockpiles the wrong weapons: when it captures territories, but not minds; when it enslaves millions, but convinces nobody. When it is naked, yet puts on armor and calls it faith, while in the Eyes of God it has no faith at all. Any state, any entity, any ideology that fails to recognize the worth, the dignity, the rights of Man...that state is obsolete." -Rod Serling Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 (edited) A country which has appointed a torturer to head of its spy agency has decided to withdraw from the UN Human Rights Council in "shame". Nice to see some integrity for once. (Always amusing to see Haley act as if everyone else is an integrity vacuum except the US and Israel, then complain about how she's Nicky No Mates without the slightest trace of irony showing) Edited June 19, 2018 by Zoraptor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smjjames Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 The UN Human Rights council could use some integrity itself since it has countries like Saudi Arabia on it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elerond Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 The UN Human Rights council could use some integrity itself since it has countries like Saudi Arabia on it. It has Democratic Republic of the Congo in it, just to give perspective of country that doesn't have any human rights, at least that is my guess for reasoning why it was selected. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gorth Posted June 19, 2018 Share Posted June 19, 2018 Going off on a tangent here. If the US, Mexico, & Canada were to unite in a single country what might that look like? Politically? Economically? Culturally?Wonder what government system it would have, I guess we'd probably stick with the US system and end up with the US portion dominating the rest of the country. One good thing, you can send all the wannabe soldier cops down to Mexico to fight the cartels I'm sure the US would love to see Queen Elizabeth on their coins and bank notes “He who joyfully marches to music in rank and file has already earned my contempt. He has been given a large brain by mistake, since for him the spinal cord would surely suffice.” - Albert Einstein Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smjjames Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 A country which has appointed a torturer to head of its spy agency has decided to withdraw from the UN Human Rights Council in "shame". Nice to see some integrity for once. (Always amusing to see Haley act as if everyone else is an integrity vacuum except the US and Israel, then complain about how she's Nicky No Mates without the slightest trace of irony showing) Rather than anything against Israel, the final straw seems to have been UN criticism at the current immigration crisis with separating children from parents. https://www.vox.com/2018/6/19/17479356/nikki-haley-un-human-rights-council-us-out While she does have a point about the other members like China and Russia and not considering a resolution on Venezuela (she doesn't give specifics), which is also a member, it seems a bit rich to use 'Israel bias' as a reason to exit that council. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zoraptor Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 The UN Human Rights council could use some integrity itself since it has countries like Saudi Arabia on it. The UN Human Rights Council could definitely use some integrity itself, that would be a massive increase over its current zero integrity. Mostly though, having Haley and Pompeo give masturbatory speeches about how great the US record on human rights is and how principled they are when literally the previous story was about kids being forceably separated from their parents in the US as a political lever is slightly jarring. Nevertheless, if that was the reason the US withdrew I'd be applauding them, but it isn't, they've withdrawn because it won't act as a rubber stamp for US positions- and, once again, they've failed to even get their friends on board with said positions. It's clear that the UNHRC has problems, but the number of countries who believe they can be fixed by taking their ball and going home while whining about the injustice of it all is... not very high. To paraphrase the common saying with a smattering of Seymour Skinner "if you have the occasional disagreement it's probably not you; have nothing but disagreements and it probably is you who is the problem, not everyone else" On a more practical level, excluding countries from the UNHRC as the US wants would not improve things. Israel cannot get support even from staunch US allies for a reason, and that won't be 'fixed' unless the US and its appointees are the only countries with a seat at the table- or Israel stops its quite genuine abuses of human rights so they can at least get support from US allies. As for excluding the DRC or Saudi etc, preaching down to the disenfranchised seldom works and has some... unpleasant historical overtones, especially when most of DRC's population was literally worked to death by a particular modern western bastion of human rights, without any repercussions at all, and not that long ago either. So if you're going to exclude DRC do you exclude Belgium for slavery, genocide and leaving Congo as a complete basket case, or was that too long ago/ accidental/ too white man's burden? Do you exclude the US due to the School of the Americas, rendition, coups, invasions, drone strikes etc? Britain due to the Opium Wars or Churchill's Bengal Famine, or forceably deporting Diego Garcia's entire population etc? France due to Libya and the plethora of coups and strongmen its supported in Africa etc? Even little old NZ let a plague ship into (then) German Samoa and systematically nicked land off brown people. Apply any exclusion principle equitably and we end up with the UNHRC being... Bhutan, maybe? In the end you just get a variation on the Genocide Olympics but with Human Rights and people arguing about the quality and reasons for all the abuses and which should be exclusionary and which not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smjjames Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Given that Haley is a woman, pretty funny you saying she gave a 'masturbatory' speech, though I get what you mean. And yeah, there's plenty of hypocrisy to go around, and some countries suffered human rights abuses under their colonial overlords. Given all the hypocrisy to go around, seems like it would be better to just include every single country on Earth in it, yes, including NK despite them being pretty much the worst offender. The US would still complain about 'Israel bias', but given that in such a situation, even the smallest countries would be able to hold states like Venezuela or China accountable. There will still be complaints against the US, but that's the entire point, everybody should hold everybody else accountable whether they like it or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bartimaeus Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Given that Haley is a woman, pretty funny you saying she gave a 'masturbatory' speech, though I get what you mean. Uh...what? 1 Quote How I have existed fills me with horror. For I have failed in everything - spelling, arithmetic, riding, tennis, golf; dancing, singing, acting; wife, mistress, whore, friend. Even cooking. And I do not excuse myself with the usual escape of 'not trying'. I tried with all my heart. In my dreams, I am not crippled. In my dreams, I dance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smjjames Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Given that Haley is a woman, pretty funny you saying she gave a 'masturbatory' speech, though I get what you mean. Uh...what? Just thought it was a bit funny to use the term for a woman giving the speech. not in a HA HA way, more of a 'pfft, heh' way. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orogun01 Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Going off on a tangent here. If the US, Mexico, & Canada were to unite in a single country what might that look like? Politically? Economically? Culturally?Wonder what government system it would have, I guess we'd probably stick with the US system and end up with the US portion dominating the rest of the country. One good thing, you can send all the wannabe soldier cops down to Mexico to fight the cartels Considering a violent unification rather than willing annexation, is more likely that Mexico will be militarily occupied and Cartels will be dealt with either through negotiations to help stabilize the area or through force (probably and ideally a combo of the two) That said, the US conquering Mexico would be disastrous for the US economy. I'd say the answer to that question is kind of like the answer to "who's the sucker in this poker game?"* *If you can't tell, it's you. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcador Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 True, when I read unite I had pictured voluntarily joining the nation rather than the US deciding to become the Third Rome Why has elegance found so little following? Elegance has the disadvantage that hard work is needed to achieve it and a good education to appreciate it. - Edsger Wybe Dijkstra Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
injurai Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 Norman Finkelstein often talks about the concept of US and Mexico uniting to become one nation. Citing that we stole a large chunk of their nation, that large percentages of the southern populations are Latino and Hispanic, and further that our economies are intricately connected. Evidence being our reliance on their migrants, and how tons of money is sent back to Mexico annually. It's an interesting prospect, but one that I think is ultimately doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smjjames Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) Something more realistic would be an EU style thing, probably a Pan-American type deal since it's not much fun with just Mexico, USA, and Canada. I know it still wouldn't be particularily realistic, but it's far more realistic than a straight up nation-state of North America. Edited June 20, 2018 by smjjames Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PK htiw klaw eriF Posted June 20, 2018 Share Posted June 20, 2018 (edited) Given that Haley is a woman, pretty funny you saying she gave a 'masturbatory' speech, though I get what you mean.Women "pleasure themselves" too bruh. EDIT: Apparently a certain term is censored. Burgerland prudishness strikes again. Edited June 20, 2018 by KaineParker "Akiva Goldsman and Alex Kurtzman run the 21st century version of MK ULTRA." - majestic "you're a damned filthy lying robot and you deserve to die and burn in hell." - Bartimaeus "Without individual thinking you can't notice the plot holes." - InsaneCommander "Just feed off the suffering of gamers." - Malcador "You are calling my taste crap." -Hurlshort "thankfully it seems like the creators like Hungary less this time around." - Sarex "Don't forget the wakame, dumbass" -Keyrock "Are you trolling or just being inadvertently nonsensical?' -Pidesco "we have already been forced to admit you are at least human" - uuuhhii "I refuse to buy from non-woke businesses" - HoonDing "feral camels are now considered a pest" - Gorth "Melkathi is known to be an overly critical grumpy person" - Melkathi "Oddly enough Sanderson was a lot more direct despite being a Mormon" - Zoraptor "I found it greatly disturbing to scroll through my cartoon's halfing selection of genitalias." - Wormerine "I love cheese despite the pain and carnage." - ShadySands Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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