Gromnir

if "black isle" is the problem, then simple change to black island or isle of black. as for "bastards," well, the board software don't mind, but if the black isle folks find it discourteous or vulgar, am understanding. fluffle wouldn't be happy as we can't think o' a replacement which results in the same alliteration, but we can change out "bastards" and revote. misbegotten mutineers o' black island? the possibility o' obsidian objecting to a combination of "black isle" and "bastards" were contemplated in the other badge name thread. http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/91356-community-pirate-order-unique-forum-badge/?p=1879750 given how aarik wants a final by friday, we hope he informs us asap if there is a need for a change. HA! Good Fun!

"the way we look at stretch goals, we ask self to consider if the goal were the final goal for the campaign, and the goal were not attained, how bad would we feel." ideally, every stretch goal should makes us feel significantly diminished and disappointed if there were a failure to fund... which would be a hell of a stretch goal: at $2.6 million, all further stretch goals will make you consider self immolation if they fail to fund. HA! Good Fun!

bad reasoning is not a posting style, but as for the rest, you prove our point 'bout taking us further afield from the topic at hand. wanna bleat and moan 'bout Gromnir being a meanie? is more appropriate for pm. to stay on-topic, we will once again observe how obsidian were trying to get rid o' vancian in the last poe incarnation. it would seem they are doing so again after seeing how a frankenstein system o' vancian tacked onto per-encounters actual worked in poe1. given the power curve issues o' vancian which has plagued every ie game as well as poe, am thinking we will happily look forward to seeing what obsidian comes up with after having fully exorcised the last vestiges of a dying earth. sorry, dying mechanic. HA! Good Fun! ps added another favorite viking funeral

*insert silly eye-roll emoticon here* start off with questioning the posting style o' Gromnir is never gonna make your argument stronger. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YYSNxrtq5QY is better than vancian deserves. HA! Good Fun! ps please note how your inartful response had you discussing other than vancian casting. reply to posts rather than snippets will benefit you as much as does exorcising logic flaws. helps keep on-topic to respond to posts.

77,000 backers, and we only ever say a dozen or so folks demanding such on the board. we never made claims o' the total folks wanting vancian, but reason for the change were protests, and the number o' board protesters were never large, even when compared to total board traffic. "small number o' vocal protesters." again, reading skills is useful. "Small vocal number of vocal protesters" reminds me more of yourself (and your second personality). Actually, you could say that about ANYTHING that is discussed on this board and elswhere... so? we have made such an observation many times. one o' the biggest flaws o' poe were the obsidian reactiveness to a handful o' mouthy boardies. the developers no doubt spent many hours deciding best ways to do stuff, but in part 'cause poe were crowdfunded, the obsidians would cave to perceived public pressures, when the pressure were never anything other than a relative small quantity o' over-invested and mouthy boardies with too much time on their hands. if developers is convinced by a good argument from the boardies, then numbers shouldn't matter. if is good for the game, then do it. and sure, sometimes player ineffable feels and emotions is actual as important as is cold, hard facts or well crafted logic. can' t dismiss the gut impressions o' the mob before or after release. even so, am thinking the obsidians realized, too late, that trying to make everybody satisfied tends to be resulting in nobody being complete happy. but again, what you think is an argument 'gainst Gromnir observation is actual one in defense. we have been a vocal proponent o' the notion that the developers should actual be less reactive. yeah, listen to boardies complaints, but don't necessarily change the game simple 'cause o' loudness or number o' complaints. we paid money for poe 1 and poe2 development because we trust OBSIDIAN to make a good game as 'posed to lc, sensuki, or even Gromnir. HA! Good Fun!

77,000 backers, and we only ever saw a dozen or so folks demanding such on the board. we never made claims o' the total folks wanting vancian, but reason for the change were protests, and the number o' board protesters were never large, even when compared to total board traffic. "small number o' vocal protesters." again, reading skills is useful. HA! Good Fun!

we only ever had vancian casting in poe 'cause a small number o' vocal protesters wanted those spell casting classes with familiar ie/d&d names to have familiar ie/d&d vancian casting. so we get a mess where the power curve o' a handful o' classes is the same, old, busted arse d&d nonsense where wizards and druids and priests is weak at low levels and op at higher levels. were a mistake from the start to cave to the whim o' the mob in spite o' obsidian belief o' the more appropriateness o' per-encounter powers/spells. if obsidian is final giving vancian casting the viking funeral it deserves, then so much the better. will admit some minor surprise. as broken as is vancian, particular in a game which also has classes using per-encounter, poe2 is being sold to folks who bought poe1. didn't think obsidian would mess with a working, if broken arse, formula. HA! Good Fun!

like others, we would leave sex and race as being fixed. am also suggesting culture should remain locked-in. however, given how the skills system is likely entire revamped, we would allow players to alter their backgrounds. is no story-supported rationale for allowing background to change, but am thinking one must also needs be practical and fair. am suspecting if backgrounds exist in poe2, they will be providing different bonuses. allow change. HA! Good Fun!

suggestion: add the black isle logo lightning bolts so as not to confuse the island with a lump o' dog doo-doo.... and perhaps a skull. HA! Good Fun! yeah, didn't want to be too on the nose with the black isle stuff but if you insist. http://imgur.com/7pQ7Lxd *chuckle* that might indeed be too on-the-nose. but give it a shot. still needs a skull. HA! Good Fun!

suggestion: add the black isle logo lightning bolts so as not to confuse the island with a lump o' dog doo-doo.... and perhaps a skull. HA! Good Fun!

count us as voting in favor o' anything with "bastards" and "black isle." HA! Good Fun!

the black isle bastards (and variations) has advantage o' multiple meanings... and is a bit irreverent for folks who like that kinda the. if the former black isle folks is offended, then am guessing we can drop from consideration. HA! Good Fun!

in which a pirate crew o' gaunites manage to kill the aedyr emperor/empress by setting a theatre ablaze while the high nobility o' the aedyr empire watches a propaganda play 'bout the fall o' st. waidwen. call dibs as the bear gaunite. HA! Good Fun!

am admitted most liking bleeding, bloody, besotted, benighted or debauched to fill in the blank o' __________ bastards of black isle, but am thinking we would be satisfied with many combinations. HA! Good Fun!

well, the bloody beautiful bastards of black isle might be too much even for fluffle. HA! Good Fun!

the bloody bastards of black isle? sounds kinda fun. HA! Good Fun!

the black isle bastards ain't bad. for fluffle, could go with the ________ bastards of black isle. for fans o' alliteration. add another "b" word. and if black isle is problematic, just go with black island. HA! Good Fun!

ondra's bastards and yes, bastard is actual gender-neutral HA! Good Fun! ps could go with _______ bastards of ondra. should make leferd a bit happier. not m-rated, but still a bit more mature. just 'bout anything would work in the blank space. maybe not "obsidian."

sneaky HA! Good Fun!

perhaps try and go opposite rather than same. 'stead o' so much order, why not outcasts, rebels, castaways and derelicts? HA! Good Fun!

there is always double entendre, but sometimes a harpoon is just a harpoon. HA! Good Fun!

or, possible, like a conspiracy o' villains aligned for nefarious purpose. HA! Good Fun!

is a fair point camorra? guild? ring? conspiracy? kinda like camorra and ring. HA! Good Fun! ps with "ring" instead o' order, perhaps we might see an actual ring in the game. just a thought. Camorra reminds me of all the late 60s and 70s tv shows trying to find alternate words to use instead of "the mob" (most just went with 'Syndicate'). were a running "gag" in payback (1999.) porter keeps calling the criminal organization the "syndicate." for some reason folks wanna correct him. apparently the goons like to be known as the "outfit." regardless, if am gonna use fuligin or fuliginous, then camorra works a bit better than mob. but again, am not a fan o' "order." not obsidian neither. HA! Good Fun!

is a fair point camorra? guild? ring? conspiracy? kinda like camorra and ring. HA! Good Fun! ps with "ring" instead o' order, perhaps we might see a literal ring in the game. just a thought.

am in agreement. got infinite possibilities and yet most offerings sound far too similar. am actual not a fan o' any naming relying on "obsidian" and/or "order." the brotherhood of fuligin sails HA! Good Fun!