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I'm pretty sure WoW delivered. I also don't really see how Starcraft 2 or Diablo 3 are different because of WoW. You are coming across as more bitter than usual Morgy. You should come play TOR with me and relax a bit.

I tend to get the heroics done once and then I move on. I rarely have trouble finding someone to jump in and play the 2 person ones with me. 4-persons are a bit tougher to get a group for, but I don't really feel I'm missing out if I don't get it done. There is a pretty huge amount of content in this game, and it is the first one that really has me into playing more than one character.

Whoa, didn't notice the guys from Andromeda put their kickstarter up, I'll get on that one.

I could see a decent space sim kickstarter getting some attention. Some sort of spiritual successor to Privateer.

Early summer is a lot better than a few years, and not charging $25 is also pretty nice, even though they are trying to control it somewhat. I think you will see a population boost on the medium servers, it sounds like transferring to the heavy pop ones will be restricted. edit: The Legacy system adds a complication to TOR transfers, so I'm just happy we are getting them reasonably soon.

But the 5 military groups listed were definitely world powers. They created empires. Not that they weren't impressive achievements for their time, but only the Roman empire lasted more than 20 years. True dat. (Mongols can make a case for a bit longer, but not by much.)

But the 5 military groups listed were definitely world powers. They created empires.

I hope you are not teaching history It's military history goes back to the 13th century. Most of those on that list didn't last for 900 years. It's fairly well accepted that Russia doesn't become a world power until Peter the Great. We can debate about the first Tsars, different Slavic groups, and the Tartars, but until they start challenging other world powers like they did Sweden, I wouldn't consider them a military force to be reckoned with.

Yeah, now that we are about 5 months in, I'd say the outlook is fairly healthy for TOR long term. That 1.2 patch addressed a huge laundry list of issues and seemed to stem the bleeding. I was a bit uncertain about the long term originally, but now I think it will have a good run.

I'd put the Russian winter on that list. Russia as a military power really doesn't have that long of a history compared to most on that list. Same as the US.

That's it? Huh, 25% actually sounds pretty reasonable, some of these MMO's lose much higher percentages after the initial months.

The Yotes match up well against the Kings too, so if they can advance, they have a great chance at the finals.

Wait, so it's not ok to be a freeloader? I'll be honest, your argument seems geared towards to complete opposite. If it isn't ok to be a freeloader, what exactly is your point here? My main point here is that piracy is morally wrong. Do you disagree with that?

It is based on the honor system I believe. I'm guessing in a year or two we will see some fallout when a couple projects fail to deliver. Still, it seems like the majority of the investors are aware that there is some risk involved here, so hopefully the outcry will be minimal. edit: referring to Kickstarter.

Yes, I mentioned it as a good alternative for those upset at publishers and DRM practices. It still runs the same risk of piracy, but the creator has a much clearer financial window to work under, and they don't have a publisher breathing down their necks for a return on the investment (just a bunch of super fans )

But it is immoral. I'm not sure how you get around that, legality withheld. Someone creates something, they ask for compensation in exchange for that creation, and piracy means you take it without compensation. Pretty simple. The word pirate is used for a reason, it is not a positive term. Because we are dealing with intellectual property, not actual physical goods, that line of thinking is obsolete. No longer valid. Now that your illegal = immoral theory has been refuted, I'd like to see something a bit more solid than "but it's still wrong!" before I take that to heart. "Because I say so" isn't usually accepted as an argument in morality discussions. I never mentioned a physical product for a reason. When the creator of something says, "Hey, don't take this without paying" why does it matter if it is digital or not? And how do you justify that? If you really see that as morally acceptable, I'd say this thread is a lost cause. I also don't remember throwing out some illegal = immoral theory, and I don't see where that was refuted. Finding a couple countries with lax intellectual property rights does not win you a moral argument. It is illegal in most civilized countries for a reason. When you create something, you want that to be safe from theft, whether it is physical or digital.

But it is immoral. I'm not sure how you get around that, legality withheld. Someone creates something, they ask for compensation in exchange for that creation, and piracy means you take it without compensation. Pretty simple. The word pirate is used for a reason, it is not a positive term.

That's because the pirates aren't trying to run a business. Those wonderful do-gooder pirates you seem to be championing did zero to create the product. They have zero investment to protect here. Publishers, despite their many flaws, still make games happen. If all the publishers went out of business overnight, what do you think would happen? Are all the pirates going to band together to release the next big blockbuster title? Publishing is a necessary evil. Piracy is an unnecessary evil. I would love to see the publishing model change. I think it already has in a lot of ways, thanks to innovators like Steam and GoG, as well as alternative sources of funding like Kickstarter. It will hopefully continue along, and as consumers we can help drive that. But piracy is not the solution.

As Gorth said, why defend piracy? Why not just attack DRM? They are two entirely different things, really. Many of us here are against crappy DRM. There is really no reason to bring piracy to the table here. We can boycott products, sign petitions, do one of those Change.org campaigns... As soon as you bring up piracy as an option I think you weaken your entire platform.

Hmm, I don't really skip content, but I rarely get to do the group quests. Are you repeating quests? Doing any space missions? I find I'm right about where I am supposed to be level wise, in fact I typically need to do the bonus series.

I'm not sure what your point is. If you make an order by mail and it never arrives, does it make any difference whether it was due to malice or incompetence and laziness? My point wasn't "either everything works flawlessly or I feel entitled to take it for free", but rather, that when pirates offer a product that is, in fact, better, easier and faster to install/uninstall and use, and more convenient than the original retail, the industry is definitely doing something wrong. Piracy may be more convenient, but at the end of the day it is still wrong. They are offering a product that they have no right to offer. Publishers may be incompetent, they may be lazy, but they are also the ones with a financial stake in the game. They are simply running a business. They might be doing a terrible job at it, but they are not the ones in the wrong here morally. The pirates are. That's why you see people getting rather riled up about this. It is simply an issue of morality, and when you have a bunch of folks trying to justify piracy, your going to have a lot of (typically older) folks calling BS on it.

Avengers was fantastic. I can't help but feel Joss Whedon's writing made a huge difference. Instead of just another shiny action movie with fun explosions, we had some great dialogue to go with it. It really shows how well they planned all the individual movies as well (except Hulk, I suppose) because they set the stage perfectly for this film.

Prove it before calling people thieves and halfwits. I've seen opposite claims. If anyone is robbing people of their jobs it's the publishers who order developers to make ****ty games which don't sell afterwards. If anyone is a thief, it's the elite who lobbied the intellectual property concept. Mr. Madison, what you've just said is one of the most insanely idiotic things I have ever heard. At no point in your rambling, incoherent response were you even close to anything that could be considered a rational thought. Everyone in this room is now dumber for having listened to it. I award you no points, and may God have mercy on your soul.

You guys are putting the cart before the horse here. DRM and stupid anti-piracy models exist because of piracy. Using those as an excuse to pirate is not logical.

I don't either. I wish it weren't necessary, but this typically isn't what we are referring to when we talk about piracy. edit: Numbers man didn't say anything about buying and cracking the game. He said: