Sarex

You just offended every person who has experienced torture on this board. As far as going off topic, this is spot on topic. We are discussing human psychology and ascertaining what is going too far and what is acceptable in games. If you and all those who liked your post have too weak of a stomach for these kind of discussions then, I would kindly ask you to leave this thread. Rape, torture, child killing, etc. is not something that should be avoided in a discussion, unfortunately all those things are part of the human condition and as such should be discussed and understood. As for your take on rape, power is an illusion (women rape men), there is no trust between strangers of the opposite or same gender. Rape is not locked to the opposite gender (men rape men, women rape women). Torture leaves physical and psychological long turn damage, death leaves nothing, what exactly was your point here? To add one more thing, everyone thinks that they have it the worst when something bad happens to them, people are egoistical creatures. But the fact is that how bad something is, is in the eye of the beholder, ie. not everyone would react the same to every scenario.

I know, so I don't take it to heart too much. Even taking personal taste aside, ME and DA characters where really well done (even the abomination that was DA2 had great characters).

Mass Effect and Dragon Age blow both of them out off the water character wise. do the same poll on any other forum and the outcome will be *slightly* different not to say torment doesn't have some of the best characters, because it does There is really no comparing the games, torment may have the better story/plot, but character wise DA and Me win hands down.

You do realize that every game is made for a PC first. When they demo games, they use PCs. As for thousands of video cards, well that is mostly NVIDIA/AMD driver department job. They get the game and optimize the driver so it can run without problems.

This is a discussion forum it's what its for.

Mass Effect and Dragon Age blow both of them out off the water character wise.

The torture you describe is the torture you hear about and see in the movies. What armies and militias around the world use is much more severe then that. As for the rapes you describe, well that goes in to the realm of torture (torture can include raping too). That is just you twisting my words, you know very well what I meant. The simple fact is if you look at them rationally, murder and torture are far worse then rape.

Are you joking? Do you know what torture is? Most rape is just nonconsensual intercourse, where sometimes the sex organs can be bruised. Torture causes people to lose various parts of their bodies. So no they are not comparable. Who said anything about self defense. I don't think that anywhere in this whole thread there was a mention of it. Why stop there, let's torture people to learn any information we need. Not just pedophiles. regular rapist too, we mustn't forget the pesky terrorist, and while we are at it, why not torture anyone that is accused of anything until they confess. Sound familiar?

When I said crime, I meant it in the general way, as in death and torture are worse then rape, not a time sentence it carries. One is permanent and the other can (and often does) leave you with a ruined body and mind. Rape while being terrible, is nothing more then a loss of control. Lot's of situations cause that, but I think that rape holds a special place for people because it involves intercourse and can cause pregnancies. I am not trivializing rape, but it's strange to me how it has become ok to murder people in games in the most gruesome of ways, but rape is somehow a taboo. It paints an interesting picture of us a people.

It's so curious how people view rape on this board. It is logically the lesser of crimes mention here, but everyone is disturbed by it the most. Would be interesting to see the male/female percentages in this thread.

My bad, I misunderstood you.

I think you are wrong about that, most do it is simply because it's faster and because they get bored of the doing good stuff/want to try the evil playthrough. There is a reason why every game offers a "evil" choice, the only problem is that not every game makes it interesting.

I personally like the more gritty games and I like it when they deal with the morally hard questions, it makes them memorable. Though I have nothing against lighthearted and fun games, though I usually play and forget them.

I agree on having never used them, but I think that they will only be viable if the end game items are not better, ie. if they offer the best stats and you can't find a regular item(without negative values) with better stats.

Because games and life are different things. XD edit: Wait quip means joke? Did I whoosh?

But that is just it, everyone has a personal preference. The question is, would it really ruin the whole game for you (make you stop playing it) if you came to a choice that offers something that you find morally corrupt.

First choice in Bioshock Infinite, throw (or not) a ball at a mix-color couple tied with a rope on a stage in front of a mob.

This is already a niche market, mass market is call of duty/mass effect level. There are people who would pick those options and there is more of them then you think. To add on that, there are people who wouldn't pick those options but would like the game more for their inclusion. I mean for pete's sake, in bioshock the main character sold his infant daughter (not even the worst thing in the game) and the whole world loved the game.

Tbh, I don't think that is a good enough reason for it not being there. In today's world where the media is bombarding us with these kind of things, I doubt you haven't grown a thick skin about the issues. Now that is an entirely different matter. That goes more in to the realm of telling the developers what they should or shouldn't do. You wouldn't like those options, some twisted/curious people would (I don't mind them being there, but I simply wouldn't chose them (I find playing evil is boring and sometimes distasteful)), the game is not being made just for you.

No matter what option are in the game, no one is making you do them. You can play as a "good" character and be content. It's a flawed logic to yell, "I will not play the game because I can CHOSE to murder/rape children". You can do all those things in the real world, but you CHOSE not to do them and you are still playing that game.

Not going to even comment on that first statement. You are a funny guy. So we should take your taste as the base line, then toss out the characters from BG according to it, and then we get 8 characters? Well then, why stop at BG, we could have done that for every game ever created then. Hand made characters?!? O_o As opposed to characters from others games that where done over seas in China. Must be why there where so much more in other games (cheap labor). As you know this game has 5 slots for companions, and it would be nice if everyone could fill them with characters they like.

This so much, I got through most of SRR but right now it's on a n indefinite pause. The save system is so bad.

pausing is the essence of tactics? (IOW you have a real time game, not a turn based one) Wait, what? Then what is the use of pause, if you are going down that route? Further, more pausing is the essence of IE games. I'm very confused with your statement there.

That would have caused such a ****-storm.

But that doesn't mean that I would not want for my self to like the companions in the games, as that would only add to my enjoyment. That I can ignore that aspect of the game, if push comes to shove, doesn't invalidate anything I have said in this thread. I must say man, you are very abrasive. And if you just figured that out now, it means that you haven't even read the thread...