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Even serial-killers are killing becoce thay have reason. They reason is to "feel good" for example in most cases they kill or torture people with simmilar traits. So for example killing a young blnonde for them gives them most emitions. Kiling other type person will bring them less. And secondly they don't kill (in most cases) people that they have any emotional conection with (their kids, wife, mother) even if they have some srage mother/ father fetish that is pushing them to killing person with simmilar traits of their parents.. they don't kill their parents. (becouse only i this cases they will will gulity or BAD emotions ) Saying that people is borng "Evil" is just stupid. Becose if you where born in south american societys (Aztec, Mayans) and be reised for preist of their religions. You whoud your self make murder-rituals for goods. And they will say that you are saint not evil. Crusaiders that wen't on holly war (expecionally 1 crusade) where in most cases villans, killers and badits that wanted to start with pure card and clean their self of their sinns but do exaclly the same as before. And they also where consider as "Good". Evil and good is determinate only from poin of view. If to countries are fighting ... and let's say people from country A whoud say that soliderst from coutry b are evil and vice versa peoble from country B think that soliders from A are evil. "PURE EVIL" characters must be twisted in some point. A character that are killing kinds and smilling is not normal person, but character that is DOING EVIL things is more common.

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The funny thing is that i thought that "Diplomation" is and english word. And my first is polish not esperanto hahaha ... But still at this moment i can't edit main post and still everybody understander that esperanto hahaha

I think that "Force push" or "Magick push" sound less nerdy. Book slam in my opinion sound like school nerd atacking some bully ... hahaha. BTW. Are grimoires the source of wizards power ? Wizard without this book is nothing ? Ok i understqand that thay have no "REMEMBERING" skill like my self after 1L of vodka ... but seriusly ? i'm 100 lvl wizard and i can't remember 1 spell wthout my book ? Then i supose wariors also can't remember all of their atacks ... what's next ... Warriors phone book ? haha beside that best update by the way ...

Nope. That's an urban myth. You can easily get up in full plate. Also, I don't think the wolve can bit trough it, while even a simple dannger can ruin a wolves day. Seriously. It's like a tank vs. a prius. URBAN ?! in your city people wear a fullplate on everyday basis ? WOW i want to live there Then make week character .. for example take taka a warrior and give him all points to inteligence and wisdom ... and not a point in stamina or strenght .. on bummm ! Not ultimate power ... Lissen i don't have issues with a mechanics where you have big difficulty and realism se Maount&blade or Gothic 2 night of the raven ... In gothic 2 night of the raven ... before you enter 14 lvl ... wolves where wary dengerous ....(orc coud kill you in 1 hit or 2) on 24 and good armor you coud take a orc or two .. but even on biggest 38 lvl (i killed or mobs and or missions) still a 4 warg or 4 orc elite coud easly kill me ... But even in this kind or game you feel some kind of power ... for example on 38 lvl a wolf coud not do nothing to you (you coud even win useing fists) And i liked this system becouse i feld difrence in my progression ... But for example i don't want system where i can kill a dragon but if something goest wrong a single boar or wolf coud kill me .... that's simly ridiculus.... So im sure i misunderstood you in that point. But "Believability" in fantasy game is a thing that's also has two ends. Some people wan't feel ultimate power but like to work for that (and wan't to see a power progrssion from zero to hero) like me .. You propably wan't more realistic system and thats ok with me My only "BUT" in this topic is that "If you make to much realistic fantasy game it coud be simple break the whole "Fun" of the game and become "Struggle" ... People sometimes make their own mods to the game and sometimes tose modes have ridiculus level of difficulty .. for some fanatics that play that game 24h a day and olny breaks that they take is to go to toilet or sut thir 1m long beards ... If you played Starcraft on Korean servers you know what i mean ... Becouse it's simply goes to HOW you are gonna input them .... You can input a dragons like in skyrim (bigger wywers with fire) or you can input a dragons like halfgods ... Byt the way a fully mythical creature and the best example is demigod, angel or helfgod ... what if they biggest power is "They don't have weak point like humans" so you can't kill them by hitting spinal core or you can't hurt their brain or heart ... you must silmply ... atack them until their die ...5 minutes for example ... you must fight them for 5 minutes to take their HP level to the point where you can kill them ... and they have 5 minutes to hit you i you weak point "Heart, brain etc" .... Of course if you impur dragons, demigods, halfgods like every normal living and realistic being (the same limitations like humat) the problem is solved ... but belive me i don't wan't another easly skyrim like dragon ...

And "Reputation" you gain or lose by at least three difrent opitons "Agrassive", "polite" and "profesional" and you have time limit. In my opinion it's better to ad some type of skill based system like in DA-O or VTMB or even Fallout new vegas .. but if devs decide to add alpha-protocol based system that also good. The only thing you had in alpha protocol is time limit with in IE whoud not be the best way ... Skill based for every class in my opinion is the best ... also if they don't putt persuation skill at all whon't be a problem ... but the wors possible in my opinion it to putt persiation skill to Charisma check or class check (not all classes will need high charisma) And it's giving some classes advantages is role play way ... So in my opinion every class shoud have possibilyti to learn this skill or make or classes whout it becouse it's giving advantage to others. For example in NWN Warrior and Mages have no conversation skill but paladins, driuids, and even monks have ... so basiacly playing a monk is better then warrior in that game becouse you gain more gold, you can persuade someone and even gain more "Main plot" related informations witch in my oponion is the biggest disadvantage ...

Hi I was thinking about persuation in PE. I must say that original type of class based persuation for NWN was for me iritating. I personaly like the system input in Alpha-Protocol or DA-Orings (but i prefer Alpha-Protocol) And what about you ?

Wut? Wolf killing a guy in armor easily? Yeah, I don't see that happening. Maybe if it was leather and the guy was incompetent. What's the fun in a struggle? The struggle, the satisfaction of overcaming the odds I guess. Well, what's the fun in no challenge? The feeling of power. Neither is more "valid" The point is not about protectivness of armor. In reality fullplate is very havy, wolfs atack to strack you down and then ripp your vital parts apart. Even if their atacks don't do you much demage "IF" you gonna be putt down in fullplate it will be almost imposible for you to stand again (becouse of weight of armor and consistant atack from wolf). But that's not a point. The point is simple feeling ultimate power. Dificulty is only a simple cosequence of that. If : YOU are overpowerd + Enemys are owerpowerd = Medium Difficulty. You are overpowerd + Enemys sre not = Easy dificulty (maiby even pointless) You are not overpowerd + Enemys are overpowerd = Hard dificulty. With that pogic we can assume that If you are not overpowerd + Enemys are not overpowerd = Medoium Difficulty. But it's not becouse if you putt on humas fully real limitations (hunger, limitet strengh inteligence, luck, and other parts of human limitations) and then you putt an predator animal (like lion with his limitations) you can easy see that human with medieval ivnentory (only few people of whole socacieties had fullplate and fullplate cost the same as medium villidge) then you can see that dificulty is even bigger. If you want bigger difficulty i will make for you special MOD for NWN. You starting location is fighting 1000 dragons and you always must die ... what's fun in that ? Difficulty that gives you some chalange (and fun) is something diffrent then ridiculus dificulty ... In realyti even a goat can kill you ( but it's hard for her) and strenght, stamina and others has little to do with that, becouse if he hitt you in a right place you always can die ... (if you had badluck) imputing mechanics that even on max level everyting at the size of a goat or bigger has chance to kill you i ridiculus in my opinion .. i don't level up, i don't learn new things etc. only for that i always can be killed by the same low level creatures. And the last one .... HOW do you wan't to input that system to mythical/ non-existingcreatures ? or magical cretures ? How do you want to inmupt a system where luck is bigger factor then skills and stategy ?

Of cousre there will be, i i don't be suprised if a dragon fight whoud be something that at least sometime it nessesery to reload. But in reality exen single wolf (not telling even of bear) can easly kill you (even if you are fully armored). So for example a farmer with his fists has 0% for killing a wolf. A fighter that is well trained but also no armor or weapon has 5%, fully armored warrior with sword will have 40-60% for killing single wolf. So even a party of wariors (let's say 6) will have 95% for killing wolf. but if 6 party members are atacked bu 12 wolfs they have only 20-30% to survive (numbers are only as a example) so basiacly if my party encounter 12 wolf i must at least reload a game for 2-3 times (sometimes even 5) . What's so fun about straggeling ? ok i can uderstand a dragon fights or lich but simple wolfs ?

Then show us how you see this system. The best way to do this is by shwoing numbers. For example if i whoud like to create a game and it whoud be a game not only for myself then if i want to explain someone else mechanics of the game the best way is to show it by numbers. For example how much doese wizard change per level, or how much demage swords or axes make. In reality we have force if phisics lets say 100KG/meter or Newtons and secondary what damage those newtons make when hitting a character for example hitting non vital part of body makes less demage then hitting brain. And let's clear this it's only a game you will never have fully realistic mechanics (unless you are expert of anathomy, mechanics, phisics etc). I whoud also like to see some numbers from your side bicouse mayby i misunderstand your post and your point of view of mechanics. I'm still thinking that you have no idea about what are you talking about. I allready sad that surviveing 1000 encouners to dangerous enemys is at least 1/1000 for "surviving" the game (with realistic mechanics) so basiacly i must misunderstand you or you want PE to becoma reload spawning game when you must save game before single fight and then reload the save at least 10 times before you win a encounter. I already show my piont of view, me numbers and even putt some logical assumptions. From your side none only assumptions like "normal human can kill dragon" or "if you hit elephant if spinal core you can kill him". Please can you at least show some realistic, logical and metematical part of you mechanic and stop dreaming that ant can distroy sun and making wishes like i have 1/5 chance to survive a encouter but still i never lose ? Becouse i simply think your mechanics are more handicap then fun and playable system ....

I like your post. Im thinking the same but i also think that "Doing wrong thing for wrong reasons" i also intresting BUT only if character has proper history that in some cases justifies him neing "Evil". For example you see you have character that in first look is one dimentional EVIL, he kills farmers, cows etc. But when you find something about his preius life you discover that he was witness of his daughter and wife being raped and killed by some bandids then when he tries to get some help from other people he is beaten and sold for slavery. After 10 years of killing people with his bare hand on arena he menage to escape and is make his revange on every human becouse he thinks that everybody is gulity. It all comes down to history and motivaton. If someone is acting like pure evil it somethimes is only and echo of his personal tragedy. In reality we have serial killers, in most cases their first become victim then this expierence twisted their minds. I don't believe that people can act purevil without some life truma. Someone can be selfish, someone can be cruel but i never met a person that i can call "Pure Evil" and i hope i never met someone like this.

Where is the line beetwen good and evil ? Good and evil in most cases are when someone is judgeing. For example if some on kills entire vilidge becouse he likes is (then he is psychopath) adn it's easy to call him EVIL. But if someone kills entire vilidgle becouse they are all sick with some super-virus (and not killing 1000 people will kill 100 000 000 people) then thats not so easy to judge him as evil or good. I don't wan't evil to be psychopats, i want gray character to play as arch-evil ... someone that has PROPER motivation ... Good exampie is Ammon Jerro (he is killing but in the end he want to save the world) .. and in my opinion .. IF WE WILL HAVE ANOTHER "SAVE WORLD MAINQUEST" i wnoud love to see that for exampie main character want to save world (or disroy it if has proper motivation) and some archevil that ALSO WANT's TO SAVE THE WORLD and only reason they are figting is difrences in casualties ... and their actions ... I also think that AMMON JERRO like arch evil (someone that you can uderstand) is much better archevil candidate for archevil then Black Gerrus (if i pronance this right) But for a main character ... (that we will create) the only case when i will play as evil is when my character will have proper motivation ...I also liked haw they handled CIVIL WAR quest in SKYRIM. Two fractions both thinks that they are "good" and both have some good arguments for their actions ...

I maount&blade i remember "turnaments" or arena. There were to type of fights there first was 30 wariors everyone on everywon. and second trournaments where you have fight liki "1 on 1", "2 on 2", "3 on 3, 3 on 3 on 3" and even "12 on 12 on 12 on 12" if i remember coretly. in this kind of fights you can kill bare hand 20 or more wariors (if atacking right) but then if you get surounded by 2-3 wariors an when atack you then you guard is down you can die in 4-5 blows .... that was hilarius ... But this kind of system (i mean real realistic) can't be aplaied when you have dragons, magic, godlikes etc.

You shoud love it. Your character whole game is on "Human" level. And it fitts this game in my opinion. I mean normal medieval times (without dragons and magic) but i can't imagine how this system coud possibly work in lat's say Baldours gate type of game.

TrashMan Have you ever played Mout&Blade - Wrabond or other ?

IndiraLightfoot I played Final Fantasy 7. In that game wole quests where conected to main-story. I mean no "give me a ring and you get 25 gold". Is that what are you are talking about ? All quests related to main one. ?

And i am sure that you will be able to talk to them and know them better, mayby some shots or beers and "Romance" status or "Brothers in amrs" completed.

TrashMan You are simple troller in this case and i will not feed you anymore. I bore you becouse i repeat my self ? You repeat yourself from at leat 4 pages on this thred and you have NO argumentation. In this case i won't go down becouse i see you must be very inmatrure persof if you think that a normal person "can kill a dragon". And you think that all humans can become Aragorns ... And the worst thing that you are hipocrit. You say that lotr has "Normal characters" but then you say "Gandalf is an angel" So what Angels are something "Normal" as a example of being "Normal" ... You don't have basics in baisic biology, mechanics a physics and still you argu on subjcet you don't know. If you think that 1,5 ton pushen i speed 25 km/h has less force then sword and still think that you have a right to judge me ... haha grow the hell up kiddo. You have no arguments but still your worst nightmare is that most of people don't agree with you on this sobject. AND YOU MUST to convince us that you know everything ... sorry you don't know nothing and you are living in ilusion. Ask one single cop, solider, or simle zoo ceeper about fights and animals ... you then realise that in most cases humans are atacking 40 on 1 animal and even then some of them may die (with latest technology) ....so what they don't know what they are talking about ? You know more about fight then Special Force grups, and more about animals then biologists ... hahaha Go but a lfullplate and atack a simple dog ... and then make asumptions about lions, rhinos or elefants or T-Rexes for **** sake ... Stop living in wet dreem-world and watch one single documentery film ... mayby then you will learn something more then trolling.

it is if you rescue someone from fire, falling from cliff, curse or deasies(sickness) etc. Missions that have "kill objectivs" are the first so rescue someone from troll, rape or bandits is Kill objectiv becouse you must kill someone. You must kill them to rescue some. The originam Rescue some in poll meant non-violent rescue.

In secound act of Witcher you have and investigation. And if your not useing "manual" with spoilers you don't know if you fail quest even if you find proper suspect. You can in this quest jump to a conclusion that someone is gulity and that someone can be hidden real morderor or innocent guy (at lest in some point) that most curciomstances are leading to. You finish your investigation, and after a while you can discover that you where wrong. i Im 100% for this type of quests.

1. The piont is that rhino have more chances to kill you. And if you kill 15 rhinos it is almost impossible amount of luck. An amout that is not convincing. 2. The point is that in GAMES you have control in combat, even if your not have active pasue you can at least try to make some calculated strategy. In ralyti this don't goes that way. (mayby in battles as a general but for sure not for solider). 3. "Don't get stomped. Dodge/evade exists for a reason. Different opponents require different tactics and/or specialized weaponry." And you realy think that normal person (not avarge joe) is able to KILL Elephant with medieval equpent ? Yes making traps, and atacking 40 people on 1 elephan from "SAFE" distance. And you whant to apply this kind of mechanics in PE ? "A T-Rex? Well, bigger animals are more sluggish and if he wants to chomp you, he will have to bring his teeths (and head) in range. That said - there are always ways." And you think that you will always in 1/10000 chances to do so ? You think that they evolved for milions on years only to get kill by a single sword or arrow ? Sory but at least read about them before you say something. Belive me that T-Raxes have swollowed more hard and sharp thing that sinle human in fullplate and sword. Even if T-Rex will sitt and woit for you to hit his eye with your sword your sword will never reach brain (1. becouse they have wary small brain 2. Hard skull. "example - poisons." Even most deadly posions need some time to work, AGAIN HE WILL NOT WAIT FOR YOU TO GENTLY KILL HIM !!! 4. "Luck is always a factor in battles. Some people have more luck than others. There are stories of real people who have come out of several wars alive...with tons of medals for suicidal and brave things. Yet they survived." I think that your naive. If a single soldier has 1/1000 Chance for surive all fights. And you have 10 000 000 solivers some of them MUST survive simple statistic. But if you had only 500 soliders you have only 1/2 that someone will survive. And in you for 1 character you still have 1/1000 chance to survive. This is not STRATEGY game this is RPG. Mayby this that he is not useing full plate armor for lions ? You are giving proves that if you "Have the right resorces" you will win even if your have normal human abilitys. But this also means that if you "Don have right resorces" you MUST die or at least lose a battle. If you got a party that has mage, monk, warrior, paladin etc (so you have wery specific characters that are useing only defined "Resorces") With your logic every man in party must switch to havy armor befor fighing something that is not waiting to be killed, must be master of useing circumstances, useing endles amount of luck, have skills in everyting (alhemy, geography, strategy, medical knowlege to locate braing or heart) and still be called "Normal human" ? Sorry but it is only possible in fantasy or novels ... not in REAL life. And what about Flying Dragon useing fire breath. You and your spear, shield and fullplate armor will melt or ger fried like a chicken in KFC. But again you say "Hay ok, but if he had nuclear-bomb he can kill a dragon" or "If i putt an arrow in his brain he CAN die" But im still saying to you that you are expect impossible. Even if you can win a fight it's imposible for you to allways gain all circumstances that will allow "Normal Human" to kill a big creature. And even so you still have 1/20 chance that he will kill you ! And what if you are fighing Goblins ? If they use traps, poisons, right circumstances thay coud kill you withoud you even knowing. I sad it allready that YOU ARE NOT in the center of the galaxy ! They can use the same circumstances as you .. but they have bodies that evoluved for fights. HUMAN is not war machine. Even if you fell not right (on liver) you can die even if your not fighing anywon. Humans are delicate. Belive me that rhinos, lions and for sure T-Rexes where not. And you still tink that fight 6 humans (that in realyty can be killed in 1 blow) can win a fight with magic useing, flying, inteligend reptile of the size of T-Rex (that somethimes will live even ef you hit him 100000 times) .... Sory but stop Dreaming man. That sentence proves that you have no knowlage about animals and humans. Rhino scull and neck are so hard they can withstand a waight of 1,5 ton becouse if not rhino that atack three whoud break his neck. His neck and scull withstand his own weight so baisacly you must use very strong RIFLE to penetrate if and still you are not sure if 1 bullet will do the work. This one bullet has more strenght than 30 big man combained. Example try to take a stone and throw it in wall. What happends ? Is it three centimeters into the wall or simply bounce off ? Rhinos have at least 2,3 centymeters thick scull (in most delicate region) and somethimes even 3,5 humans hor example have no more then 1 centymeeter. And still somethimes a "Normal" weapon lile sword can bounce off. The force that you must use on small object to penetrace 3.5 scull is not possible withoud rifle. And befor you say ( i can use a hammer) believ me that there are no people that can swing 1 ton hammers. there are not people that can swing even 500 kg hammer whout attention. Normal hammers useing to smash walls are 50kg. It will mayby confuse rhino and if rhino is infured or hitet in good spoot it can stund him for a moment. Why do you think that Africans don't mess with wild animals (like lions, rhinos or elephants) ? Of cource thay can kill that animal by setting trap but still this is 20 or 40 people agins 1-2 animals. And you will not Use armies in PE you will control 6 people

What type of quest you like the most ? What type of quest you whoud like to see in PE most ? My favorite quest is ocean house in Vampire Masquarade the bloodlines. I also liked playing Detective in wither 1

1. Rhino also has weapon and belive me he will not wait for you to kill him. 2. Even peaople in special forces can't fully control a fight (no activ pause and time to save or think it over) with HUMAN. And you want to control a fight with animal and say that "NORMAL" ? 3. A Lion with a full plate mayby, but if you nedd full plate for lion (considering that every human needs full plate for lion) what about Elephant ? If he stomp you even a car coud not work. And most of all, Did you se T-Rex in documentary movies or Jurassic Park ? He is most simmilar to the Dragon. So do you think that full plate and even two-danded axe will do him more then single scratch ? Belive me that you coud not even reach his vital organs like brain, eye etc. And before you say "I can use bow". Do you realy think that to best system for RPG game is to make everybody fullplate archer ? Not everybody ude bows or magic so simple warrior must be overpowerd becouse humans are week. 4. All your argumentation goes for "It's possible so it's not overpowerd" , but even IF some fights apply for "Possible" then how do you think. If you fight 100 enemys and you have possibilyty to kill them 1/2 for each. You fight first and 1/2 to die, you fight second and you have 1/4 to survive third only 1/8 to survive. I think you fallow me, your fighting with one at a time. If you win the game and you will sirvive 1200 fights some more 3/4 but some only 1/10 or even 1/20 posibility of win. Do you not think so that "bottomless reserve of luck" is not some kind of superpower or overpowerd. And you think that potentian, competence and skills or other "Normal" resorces are gona grand you "bottomless reserve of luck". life is a lottery. even if you the best boxer you still can lose, if you best swimmer you still can lose ... I want to PE become more tactical game then single lottery. If i wanna play monk or other class, i don't want to die becouse i don't use some kind of stange luck. I understand that somethimes it's good to be at right place and time .. but seriously ? Do you really wanna play game that you always at winning start position ? And what if you NOT ? You must Die ? For example if you don't have fullplate lion must kill you ... if you don't have tank dragon will kill you. Sometimes it's good to be on Winning starting position expecionaly if you have low lvl. In realyty Rhino will smash even fullplate ..even if you sneak to him, it will take more than 1 critical hit to kill him.

I like dwarwes, the only issu is their beards and hair in my opinion they shoud be more exotic .... currows etc (not sure if speling right) I also whoud like to aumaua concepts ... btw. ... Why this faces have so details ? Is it realy a IE game ? or something more like NWN ? I mean if those faces are gonna be putt with view like BG then tyo much efort you put guys to is but if in PE in camera setting will be more to NWN then thats ok ...

Go to SAS or other elite forces and try to kill simple lion or rhino (not mentioning elephant) with simple sword and you can start saying that bull**** ... Try to hit wolf in fight in eye, brain or heart and you will se it's allmost imposible ... (he is not standing and waiting to be killed). Ambush ? Mayby but even so you got 4/10 chances to ambush a animal ... lisen to any hunter .. even master hunters have 6 to 10 .. and even so you can't kill such big animal with 1 swing of sword ... somethimes even 10 bullets is not enought to kill such a big creature ... not metioning that if you atack him in close distance he will kill you i 2 mayby 3 blows ...(somethimes even 1) ... distraction? you can distract your dog with ham or susage ... but a lion or bear wiil go for you becouse thay are WILD animals ... Drop a giant boulder on it's head? first you must be overpower to move this bouled secondy how many bulders place exacly in right place you what in PE ? Secondly all if they are gonna add dragons in PE they propably gona be inteligent .. so tey also can do the same trics as you and don't go for such childish tactic .... And btw. Lord of the ring characters was not overpowerd ? Legolas multikilling everywon withous simgle scar .. Gandalf multikilling and resurecting ... 16 t armies agins 50 t armies winning ... Even Aragorn was overpowerd, yes he has not superpower abilitis but still he multikills orcs, urk-hai's, he can summon an ARMY of undead (onec but allways) he is hair of the trone, he knows elvish language, he is super-lucky, almost everybody likes him, great leader, good stategist etc.... Find 1 single normal character from history that has at least 1/2 as this NORMAL character ...