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This, I agree with Lord W Oh and if you think its a bug that there is no Romance...its not ..that's by design

Hiding, but SJWs can find you everywhere. Political correctness is opposite to fun Thats nasty, us SJW bring a much needed sense of decorum to society There is literally one SJW on this forum, and he is constantly berated for his posts. There's more than one. Most of them either don't post that much though or don't see themselves as warriors. But, the one you're referring to isn't merely a warrior, he's a social justice 5 star general. Bruce is just hamming up a label that everybody like to throw at him. You guys take him way too seriously, much like you do yourselves. It's exhausting, I don't know how you keep it up. You see I knew you could be humorous

Volo we have made this discussion before, white people typically haven't been the victims of historical or systemic abuse in society. I mean look at the history of developments like Colonialism We aren't the victims of racism. There is no reason we should get defensive with a little humor, you must learn to laugh at yourself. I know there is a certain perspective on these forums that white people in the modern age are beset as a race by some nebulous and insidious forces but I don't buy it and I reject the notion that the white race as a whole is under some kind of attack? I'm genealogically a WASP. From the all evil racist oppressive people in your book. I've seen and experienced racism directed at myself and plenty of other white people. In fact, while it's certainly possible I'm missing some obscure law, in the US the only racism I know of that's codified into law is against white people (and a few other ethnic groups as well that aren't deemed 'oppressed' by people such as yourself), with things such as 'Affirmative action' and the like. Sexism with 'Title 9' and the like. To be frank. I have a resounding )#@* you to all those folks out there who think anyone is entitled to anything based on the color of their skin, and some transgression (real or perceived (and a lot of them are just perceived) that other folks with that same skin color were subjected to generations ago. This attitude, coupled with the media's never ending dialogue on race (and sex) as an issue, parroted by people such as yourself, more than anything else out there serves to continue to divide people along sex or skin color. Racism isn't 'inherent in all of us' as you say. Speak for yourself. It's taught and reinforced again and again through the media people are exposed to in modern times. Anyone of any sex or skin color can be the victim of racism or sexism. To say that it's the purview of ethnic group X, Y, and Z only to experience racism is an incredibly ignorant thing to say. As for the you don't 'buy the notion'. Well, that's because you support the attack. You support 'multiculturalism' and think it's a good thing. You don't see or care that others don't agree with you, and see 'multiculturalism' as a bad thing for a variety of reasons. This is a complex subject, and the motivations of those involved in it vary, as do the good and bad consequences, but it's certainly the opinion of some that they are under attack, and they don't think that just for the hell of it. I appreciate your honesty on this topic, I enjoy these types of debates because it allows us to unpack perceived challenger's that exist in society And you right I do support multiculturalism. As I mentioned anyone can be racist, its just a prejudice and is definitely not the domain of white people. I suppose you could say affirmative action is a form of discrimination but it has only been implemented to address systemic imbalances that exist in the past in the workplace For example are women really equal to men in the corporate world? 30 years ago many people thought that a women's role was in the kitchen getting the dinner ready, the TV series Mad Men highlights just how bad and institutionalized sexism was So what other examples apart from affirmative action can you give me of proof that white people are discriminated against ? I am interested in how you see this ? General, While I don't live in South Africa, nor do I walk in your shoes, it's hard for me to believe that you've lived on this earth the number of decades you have and not personally experienced or seen any white people subjected to discrimination based on the color of their skin. Nevertheless I'll acknowledge it's theoretically possible. But, even if you have no personal experience with white people being subjected to discrimination, you should be able to use your imagination to craft scenarios where they would be. If you cannot use your imagination to see how white people can also be discriminated against, I'd say your imagination is broken. So General, either you're ignorant or your imagination is broken. Or just, cognitive dissonance and failure to think things through. I suggest you make more attempts to step outside of 'the box' in your thinking. Use your imagination (if it isn't broken), to put on other people's shoes, to change the color of a person's skin or sex in any given instance you think someone is or isn't being oppressed and ask the question 'Would I or anyone be making a fuss about this if the person at question had a different sex or skin color', etc. Think General. More than you have. If you did, I'm positive you'd take off those stars and abandon your war, as it's a war that's predicated on falsehoods or ignorance. " general " I dont know why some of you guys keep thinking I think that white people don't ever get discriminated against either historically or nowadays...I would have to be a complete dunce to not know this I live in South Africa and I am exposed to this on an almost daily basis....but its not as systemic and institutionalized as sexism or some of the historic racism we see in modern society

Since when were the '80's the '50's wtf? Well spotted but I was aware of what I was saying, I was actually making two separate points that come across as one. My bad. I meant 30 years ago women were still very marginalized Mad Men is an accurate window into the life of a women in the 1960's

Social Justice Warrior. A pejorative term for an individual who repeatedly and vehemently engages in arguments on social justice on the Internet, often in a shallow or not well-thought-out way, for the purpose of raising their own personal reputation. A social justice warrior, or SJW, does not necessarily strongly believe all that they say, or even care about the groups they are fighting on behalf of. They typically repeat points from whoever is the most popular blogger or commenter of the moment, hoping that they will "get SJ points" and become popular in return. They are very sure to adopt stances that are "correct" in their social circle. This is undoubtedly one of the WORST definitions of a SJW I have ever heard. Its so negative and inaccurate its almost insulting

Not sure I would have went with a "fictional show illustrates how life was like 50 years ago" example, but maybe it'll work out for you. It may be fictional but its accurate account of a women's role in the workplace and perceived place in the home in the 1960's and earlier As someone that has talked to women who were alive in the '60s and earlier, no it isn't. But did you work in the advertising industry in NY in the 1960's?

Social Justice Warrior As far as definition, I don't think there's one that everyone could agree with. Typically involves someone trying to argue for doing something to improve the life of some perceived oppressed group. That's a scurrilous and inaccurate description of what a SJW is A SJW is simply someone who takes the important position of addressing various SJ causes and is active in trying to ameliorate the conditions of people in society who are intentionally and unintentionally victims of bigotry and discrimination. I believe in the principle of doing the right thing irrespective if the majority disagree. And we use various mediums, like the Internet, to try to get our message across

Not sure I would have went with a "fictional show illustrates how life was like 50 years ago" example, but maybe it'll work out for you. It may be fictional but its accurate account of a women's role in the workplace and perceived place in the home in the 1960's and earlier So you were able to study every work place there was in the 1960s and can state, categorically that Mad Men accurately - to 100% - reflects women's roles in the workplace and perceived place in the 1960s and earlier? I'm not saying that those issues weren't there at all, but I'd feel more comfortable if you were pulling the basis for this from, say, Mary Wells' A BIG LIFE IN ADVERTISING, Janice Rutherford's SELLING MRS. CONSUMER or Juliane Sivulka's SOAP, SEX AND CIGARETTES, or any other non-ficitional* source than from a TV show that is going to heighten any potential conflict for dramatic effect. *acknowledging that even non-fiction has inherent bias Correct thats exactly what I did and I'm glad you asked, I did in fact study every workplace that existed in the 1960's and say unequivocally and with confidence that Mad Men represents accurately the role and reality of most women in that era I'm glad that's settled

Hiding, but SJWs can find you everywhere. Political correctness is opposite to fun Thats nasty, us SJW bring a much needed sense of decorum to society There is literally one SJW on this forum, and he is constantly berated for his posts. I wouldn't say that Hurlshot, I think your posts make loads of sense to me

By the way that was such an interesting interview, geez I feel like I know so much more now about how how CDPR develops games. Really good read

Okay I'm impressed, thats the first time you have ever used a word I didn't know ..." conniptions " , nice one

Wow, thats sounds amazing....I can't believe you couldn't film it..oh well next time

Hiding, but SJWs can find you everywhere. Political correctness is opposite to fun Thats nasty, us SJW bring a much needed sense of decorum to society

Not sure I would have went with a "fictional show illustrates how life was like 50 years ago" example, but maybe it'll work out for you. It may be fictional but its accurate account of a women's role in the workplace and perceived place in the home in the 1960's and earlier

You still active ?

I have decided that I won't be funding this KS yet, I'll be following the updates and make a judgement call later

This banning hasn't been implemented as part of Turkish law yet but this really seems like a bit of truly unnecessary legislation I wonder how they feel about GTAV ?

Well you do make me laugh, I'll give you that

But surely you must share my concern, have the team involved in this KS actually created any games since the SSI days?

dunno. we think it is ok to hate white folks for past generational transgressions. white folks seemed to dislike and pity us for no other reason than real or imagined past generational conflicts. is not just the oglala that taught us to hate white folks when we were a kid. the white folks that we saw insulting our grandmother when she shopped in town taught us to hate. the white kids at the public elementary school we briefly attended taught us to hate as well. am not proud o' it, but particularly as a little kid, we disliked white folks enough to say we hated 'em. hate is a very powerful motivator if it can be channeled positive. Gromnir might not be where we is today if we didn't have hate o' white folk when we were young. every time somebody tried to tell us that we needed help o' affirmative action or implied that we had an excuse for poor test scores because our "disadvantaged upbringing," we wanted to hit'em. not joking. we don't hate white folks individually, but am gonna admit we still got lingering animosity for whites that we need push down as unfair and irrational. we saw and experienced too much as a kid. but here is the thing, what about the angry folks, much like Gromnir, who had a couple more bad breaks and a few less advantages? our advantages were few, but they were pivotal. we grew up without adequate heat, adequate food and adequate health care, but we had many books and a grandfather who had a degree from an ivy league school (dartmouth still counts as ivy, yes?) who aggressively encouraged us to get educated, though not necessarily school education. we also were lucky enough to be be a natural athlete and earn scholarships at multiple quality schools. our parents ended up making money, but at the time we went away to University, we woulda' had difficulty paying for Cal or our other top choices such as Penn. we had earned academic scholarships, but at the schools we wanted to attend, there would be a shortfall. so what happens to angry Gromnir who had a career ending injury during our sophomore year in high school? one bad break, literal. is not the first time we has considered how our life mighta' changed. HA! Good Fun! I can completely understand this post and I appreciate your view on this topic . I would also have a dislike of white people if I grew up and in my early and informative years all I was exposed to was bigotry, especially when you consider examples like how you saw your gran been treated This animosity towards white people was shaped by valid experiences but now as you mentioned you know that not all white people are bigots. And yes it could have gone another way and you could still to this day think all white people are racist ..imagine if you didn't receive the education you did or had exposure to various cultures..what would your perspective be on white people? Probably not very favorable

Volo we have made this discussion before, white people typically haven't been the victims of historical or systemic abuse in society. I mean look at the history of developments like Colonialism We aren't the victims of racism. There is no reason we should get defensive with a little humor, you must learn to laugh at yourself. I know there is a certain perspective on these forums that white people in the modern age are beset as a race by some nebulous and insidious forces but I don't buy it and I reject the notion that the white race as a whole is under some kind of attack? I'm genealogically a WASP. From the all evil racist oppressive people in your book. I've seen and experienced racism directed at myself and plenty of other white people. In fact, while it's certainly possible I'm missing some obscure law, in the US the only racism I know of that's codified into law is against white people (and a few other ethnic groups as well that aren't deemed 'oppressed' by people such as yourself), with things such as 'Affirmative action' and the like. Sexism with 'Title 9' and the like. To be frank. I have a resounding )#@* you to all those folks out there who think anyone is entitled to anything based on the color of their skin, and some transgression (real or perceived (and a lot of them are just perceived) that other folks with that same skin color were subjected to generations ago. This attitude, coupled with the media's never ending dialogue on race (and sex) as an issue, parroted by people such as yourself, more than anything else out there serves to continue to divide people along sex or skin color. Racism isn't 'inherent in all of us' as you say. Speak for yourself. It's taught and reinforced again and again through the media people are exposed to in modern times. Anyone of any sex or skin color can be the victim of racism or sexism. To say that it's the purview of ethnic group X, Y, and Z only to experience racism is an incredibly ignorant thing to say. As for the you don't 'buy the notion'. Well, that's because you support the attack. You support 'multiculturalism' and think it's a good thing. You don't see or care that others don't agree with you, and see 'multiculturalism' as a bad thing for a variety of reasons. This is a complex subject, and the motivations of those involved in it vary, as do the good and bad consequences, but it's certainly the opinion of some that they are under attack, and they don't think that just for the hell of it. I appreciate your honesty on this topic, I enjoy these types of debates because it allows us to unpack perceived challenger's that exist in society And you right I do support multiculturalism. As I mentioned anyone can be racist, its just a prejudice and is definitely not the domain of white people. I suppose you could say affirmative action is a form of discrimination but it has only been implemented to address systemic imbalances that exist in the past in the workplace For example are women really equal to men in the corporate world? 30 years ago many people thought that a women's role was in the kitchen getting the dinner ready, the TV series Mad Men highlights just how bad and institutionalized sexism was So what other examples apart from affirmative action can you give me of proof that white people are discriminated against ? I am interested in how you see this ?

I want to support this game but I need to ask an important question that you kind of highlighted So all these developers were very active in creating game 20 years ago but what have they been doing since then? Have they still been involved in development, I won't support a game just on nostalgic value. I want to know there is skill involved and an understanding of modern programming So I'm not sure if anyone has any idea of the credentials of the current team involved in this KS?

Oh don't misunderstand me, any ethnic group can be racist. Racism is just a prejudice against someone because of a different color skin,its inherent in all of us . And yes the Irish were discriminated against. I can tell you shocking stories about the new South Africa where generalizations about white people would definitely be seen as racist...yet people think its okay I am talking about this view that there is a surreptitious movement that exists in the world to undermine and marginalize white people, that I don't believe

Volo we have made this discussion before, white people typically haven't been the victims of historical or systemic abuse in society. I mean look at the history of developments like Colonialism We aren't the victims of racism. There is no reason we should get defensive with a little humor, you must learn to laugh at yourself. I know there is a certain perspective on these forums that white people in the modern age are beset as a race by some nebulous and insidious forces but I don't buy it and I reject the notion that the white race as a whole is under some kind of attack?

I'm against using the words white, CIS, popcorn and clown None of those words are offensive, to any people if at all, and therefore its not relevant to see them in the same way n**r is used. So I don't get your comparison or point ?