BruceVC

There is no LGBT community in my area. Gay people kicked them out when they wanted to start some protests or whatever. I'm talking in general. Just look at the OP. Bashing me for having an opinion. Well not personally, but if "white heterosexual males shouldn't speak" or "kill all men" shouldn't offend me personally then neither should my rants about LGBT in general or the limerick in PoE as those are not aimed at specific person. As for the vicious circle, I'm not a big fan of turning the other cheek. In fact most people aren't. What LGBT is building up is a mass hate that will eventually turn bloody. And innocent homosexuals etc. that are not part of and don't want to be a part of LGBT movements will get killed. That's how people are. What do you mean Gay people kicked them out ? The word LGBT stands for Lesbian, Gay, Bisexual and Transgender How can Gay people kick themselves out of your area?

Link? I saw the press conference and no one was screaming at anyone. For a change, the mayor and police chief should be commended. Far too often, when stuff like this happens the mayor and police chief try and justify murder, if not help cover up the incident. There were several disruptions when people shouted at the Police Chief, he even said at one time he was going to end the interview but he continued Link or it didn't happen. I watched the interview on Sky on the TV but I'll see if I can find a podcast or something similar

Nice those are my favorite hikes, just a day but a good full day

Link? I saw the press conference and no one was screaming at anyone. For a change, the mayor and police chief should be commended. Far too often, when stuff like this happens the mayor and police chief try and justify murder, if not help cover up the incident. There were several disruptions when people shouted at the Police Chief, he even said at one time he was going to end the interview but he continued

Just because they have become accustomed to the discrimination doesn't make it right. Referring to someone as "it", regardless of the reason, is 100% dehumanizing and uncalled for. Unless youre purposely trying to be rude to them? Most of LGBT individuals tend to change their favorite term for themselves so often that any sane person stopped bothering with correct terms long time ago. Also I'm not obligated to be pleasant to any person. And I'm especially not gonna be pleasant to any person that have a problem with me based on my race and/or gender by default. You seem to know a lot about the LGBT community? I assume you have lots of gay friends....got to be honest that surprises me as you generally come across as a bigot on most topics .

How long and far is the hike? Do you camp and pitch a tent or are there cabins you use, I love hiking but only for 2 days at most

Just because they have become accustomed to the discrimination doesn't make it right. Referring to someone as "it", regardless of the reason, is 100% dehumanizing and uncalled for. Unless youre purposely trying to be rude to them? Well said Gfted1, but there are plenty of veiled comments that demonstrate bigotry in this thread...Sharp_One just doesn't know where the line is or how to hide it so he won't be breaking forum rules

I have just watched the live press interview on Sky with the North Charleston Police Chief about this incident He said he was sickened at what he saw but he kept getting interrupted by people screaming at him...the whole issue of the Police abusing there power and targeting minorities in USA has really become a volatile situation. People obviously assume that there will be no justice when these types of events occur

Now this is interesting, I look forward to what these documents will reveal

For me its more annoying, the reality is its a game that offers massive entertainment value...so what if some tombstone has been changed to avoid perceived offense? Lets not throw the baby out with the bathwater and now not support Obsidian. If people want to stop supporting Obsidian because of this I say let them go ....I'm sure they will find Bioware games more to there liking ( and for the record I like Bioware games ) In fact every time I see someone say " they wont support Obsidian because of this " I'll buy an additional copy of PoE

Thank goodness for a DA that isn't corrupt to the point they won't ever prosecute cops for murder, no matter how much evidence there is. Yeah this does seem like a real case of a policeman abusing his power and committing a crime, its good that there were legal consequences

Third time'll the charm for you, keep at it. Despite all the wonderful posts you guys have put up about this stuff, I still have no desire to delve into the buttcrack of the internet and get involved in your movement. Then why are you continuously posting in a thread about it? Excellent question, I find this thread most of the time utterly irrelevant but there are certain interesting topics you guys raise and I like to debate certain topics that are aligned with SJ issues

Why do you feel the need to insult my intelligence? Disregarding that you know far too little about me to judge this, its rude and most importantly it derails the conversation. I am not spewing hate-speech, I have been the one name-called and threatened in the thread to this point. I will not go in to you with how no transgendered person was involved or accentuating that it was the man who got hurt (And you do not know if he was white or not), becuase that is also derailing and I think you know whats up. I find it strange how so much anger can stem from a group of people, who are evidently already suppressed, expressing feelings of hurt. 1. Because your opening statement was moronic and racist. 2. You are spewing hate speech and aligning with genocide advocates and Neo Nazi's, and no transgendered person was mentioned or even hinted at in that poem, that's objective fact, no lies will change that. 3. You are being ridiculed because you're stating ridiculous things. @Bruce: The hypocrite abuser of women argues for honesty, try some yourself. More importantly we call it Black Pudding not Blood Pudding in England. Personally I prefer a nice Toad in the Hole, Lincolnshire or Cumberland sausage, cooked into a nice big Yorkshire Pudding with a rich, thick onion gravy. Nonek please...I thought we agreed you would save the soapbox lectures about me for the GG thread? All I was saying is quit the innuendo and say what you want. You can't make a post suggesting that the Op doesn't have the intelligence to deserve a response and then make several posts...it makes you look silly, And thats my area of expertise ...its not normally yours

Well, you are trolling, what did you expect? You really think he is trolling? I don't, I think he is making a point he feels strongly about but its just not been very well received. Often when people make unpopular posts they are accused of Trolling but that isn't always the case

That's strange, you say the Op isn't intelligent enough to warrant a response...yet you make a post which is exactly a response ...your comment is just indirectly addressed towards him. You do see the contradiction in your post right Nonek? You clearly want to comment so just comment and be honest about it

No of course not, the West has its faults and has made many mistakes in the past But as I have tried to highlight Western countries offer there citizens the best quality of life...and that is by far the most important benchmark when we ask " what makes a good government " .Its not factors like military might or GDP, even though these are relevant to overall happiness, but rather a much simpler question that determines what forms of government in the world are to be admired and emulated ...and that question is " are the citizens of a particular country happy " So when we look at the various governments and ideologies around the world Western ideology should be seen as superior but not because its intrinsically superior but because of the quality of life of citizens in those countries. Why deny this? Lets give Western governments some credit and recognition

I guess he needed to point out the obvious for some reason, to you ? Nah not the obvious, just Zora looking to undermine and blame the West for all ills in the world. I am still waiting for him to let us know that " Western sanctions have had no impact on the Russian economy" ...that always makes for a good laugh

No I don't agree with that, we should all be entitled to our opinions. But we should also be sensitive to what we say and how it impacts others that are traditionally victims of systemic abuse, like the LGBT community

Well maybe if KP wrote his post in English it wouldn't be so unintelligible ?

I don't disagree with you on all your points raised White heterosexual males are the least most discriminated group in the world, its obvious and irrefutable to anyone who wants to have this debate in a rational and reasonable way. I have raised this several times But if you read the GG thread people will have you believe that white heterosexual male face this terrible social onslaught from ....society? I'm not sure who is attacking my demographic but I don't feel discriminated against at all So good post and worth discussing further

Excellent post! You make some great points and I highly suggest everyone read this post Cheeky

Well my advice is stop raising the same issues if you don't want people to dispute the same points? Its not rocket science If a new forum member who is unfamiliar with what has been discussed says " no one cares about violence towards men" I will obviously dispute that Also stop trying to be the center of attention, if McMayhem has this concern then let us discuss it...you keep thinking you are judge and jury of what is acceptable content. And you not, sorry

My opinion is not shaped just by the media but by my personal experiences and what I have seen, probably same as you But Luj1 you are new to these forums and I hope you continue to be active. Its good to see new members, please don't take these discussions personally. Its good we all have different views and perspectives ..that's the nature of debate

No offense but this post seems like a rant to me and a justification to enforce the status quo...which is a lack of inclusivity in games So I want to keep this simple because if you know me you will know I firmly believe in SJ issues but we have also discussed this type of topic to death and still don't have consensus Who said its okay to have violence perpetuated against men and yet violence against women is unacceptable ? Lets just focus on that statement from you ..because that's a serious comment and one that needs to be addressed and debated

If that's true, the individual behind the accounts is a very mentally disturbed person. Also likely a paid troll. The mods likely can confirm or deny with an IP comparison check. It's doubtful the individual is smart enough to use a proxy. Good website metrics software also could confirm/deny, though I wouldn't necessarily expect mods to have access to that info, if Obsidian is even keeping track. Just for the record Oby is many things but stupid is not one of them Firstly I don't believe he is a Troll, I have been on these forums for 3 years and he has never really changed his persona. He clearly speaks Russian and only once or twice has his posts suddenly been in better English.,..but any decent translation software can do that So then if you really believe he is a troll ask yourself how much effort it must take to constantly pretend you are someone else, to have to remember how you post and what you " believe " in previous posts. This would take someone of considerable intelligence ..and I would be surprised if he was that clever and devious So for me he is not a troll but someone who is really just anti-Western and blatantly pushes the anti-Western agenda I don't dislike him or really get annoyed by him, you cant really dislike someone who you can't debate with because thats how you get to know how someone thinks and what motivates them. Through debate ..and Oby basically avoids any serious debate So I read his posts sometimes but mostly I don't