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"tap something local " ... Isn't Oceanside where you went to that funky bar with your friend and you took some pics? How far is it from where you stay?

Now I am curious, with this "question" as to what answer you are wanting from them ? Points for dismissing things as non-meaningful as, well, you just say so. I am really disappointed, I asked you guys to give me just 3 examples of how the SJ narrative has negatively impacted your gaming experience and guess what..I get one response from Nonek who seemed to have misunderstood the question instead and gave me examples of what GG has achieved ( looking back at my question I can see how it could be misunderstood as I didn't specify "negatively " ) So I'll ask again, " can you give me three meaningful examples of how the SJ agenda has actually negatively impacted your gaming experience "? It can't be that hard, for nearly a year some of you guys have been highlighting various SJ contradictions and efforts to implement changes in the gaming industry. So now I am asking " well what did these changes actually translate to from a gaming perspective " This should be easy? I am interested to see the real substance behind all this anti-SJ vitriol when it comes to how your gaming experience has really changed as I don't see it? So prove me wrong, how have you become marginalized as a white, male gamer? @ Malc The answer will vary and differ from person to person

mmm....difficult to say. Lets start with the basics, have you updated your drivers ? Then I would describe your experience with the community, on Steam or Rockstar, and see if anyone else has similar experiences ?

Nah, don't block anything... you need to be aware of the profoundly iniquitous nature of the Internet

I know of two people who say they are Russian, Sakai and Redcat, and participate in OT discussion And neither of them appear to be in anyway "anti-Russian ". That's why I asked Oby to actually name the members he is accusing of this behavior

Can you name exactly who you think are paid trolls claiming to be Russian yet are spreading anti-Russian propaganda? Because all I'm seeing is Russian members who are giving a more reasonable perspective about the motives of Putin and also some Russian members who care about SJ issues...so I don't get how you can say this forum is doomed?

Well it is, forums are for collective bashing or praise after all. Not really sensible to wade in to something that annoys you, then whine about it but refrain from taking measures to resolve it. But, again, the conclusion that's left is probably accurate. As for Gamergate doing anything, nahh, all it's done is raise the profile and Patreon donations of Sarkeesian, Wu, Quinn, etc. And I guess given Twitter hounds who want to show how socially aware they are (like Cheong) some meat to get some credibility. But hey at least no one died, people were seriously speaking of ruined lives with this silliness. I tend to agree with this sentiment. Depending on the forum and thread you will generally find support or dislike for one perspective within the SJ narrative, there isn't much middle-ground. The best you can hope for is a semblance of not really objective debate but people at least recognizing a different opinion as possibly valid. But it still doesn't seem to change peoples general stance which is often a disappointment for me...but not a surprise And the reason its not a surprise for me is because you need to break down what people who support GG are really saying. Well at least the people on this forum who support GG Firstly I don't think there are any real bigots on this thread. There are several people who are white, heterosexual males who truly believe that there lifestyle is beset by SJW. Now I need to repeat that for maximum impact " there are people on this thread who believe there lifestyle is beset by SJW". They feel that SJW are hypocrites and say one thing and act another way....and they are always criticizing....always criticizing So that leads me to my next series of questions. This is addressed to everyone who has been actively supporting GG over the last 8 months or so. This includes Nonek, Volo, Meshugger, KP, Fighter, KP, Longknife and Kirottu ( sorry if I left anyone out and of course I welcome all comments ). What would you say now if Leigh Alexander said in regards to the original article " I didn't mean all white, male gamers " ..I only meant " white, male gamers who refuse to accept or believe in transformation". This view is very relevant to the original anger as I see people still raise this as a reason for the general dislike of the SJ narrative. Someone like Nonek still bring this up in his diatribe against SJW and SJF ( an appalling characterization for SJW but I see Nonek still uses it ) and it is justification for support of GG for many people. So what would you now think if Leigh Alexander said " she didn't mean all white male gamers? Can you give me just 3 valid examples of how your gaming experience has changed due to SJ influence...and these examples must be meaningful. So please don't give examples like I don't visit RPS and Polygon anymore because of there biased reviews on GG ( you never visited RPS and Polygon to begin with ) The limerick was edited in PoE ( this makes no change to the actual game ) I don't like the fact there is a call to remove hookers from GTAV...I like killing hookers and any other character in the game with my car ( Rockstar despite the criticism hasn't removed hookers from the game ) So I want 3, just 3, examples of how your gaming experience has been altered due to the SJ narrative. I am going to make a prediction, you guys are going to battle to find 3 meaningful examples because the reality is I don't think they really exist. Most of examples of so called SJ interference is based on nebulous accusations and Twitter comments. But if you think about the actual changes that you guys claim to be opposing I don't see any that are significant ? So if that's true then you guys need to ask some introspective questions to yourselves that should include a simple point " what am I really objecting to" when it comes to opposing the SJ movement ? Lets try to leave the emotion out this debate and deal with the facts and changes in the gaming industry that are really happening and are really diluting your gaming experience ?

Its very reassuring and positive to see some of the ardent support veterans receive in the USA, thats how it should be for people are prepared to risk there lifes for there country

Very funny

Very funny and appropriate, nice one MC

If this thread is an example of GG, then I would point to it. It is filled with vitriol and derision towards random people that seem to live on Twitter. Many of these twitter residents are clearly unstable, and yet they are continually mocked and laughed at. It can't seem to stay focused on actual ethics in game journalism, but instead constantly drifts towards crass humor about feminism and patriarchy. A few pages ago someone posted a twitter comment from some non-celebrity about rape, and we got a page full of rape humor. All of this might be more fitting for this forum if we actually had any SJW's running around in WOT. But we don't. So instead it just turns into a big circle jerk. They use Bruce as a target, but he's not really a SJW. Quacking like a duck does not make you a duck. What censorship movement is he even involved in? He doesn't even report posts here, he raves about GTA and defends strip clubs. Get a clue, he is just playing devil's advocate. Hurlshot had made some excellent points and I encourage everyone to read this post I do often attempt to debate and position devils advocate which gets misconstrued as me pushing a SJ agenda. Yet of course sometimes the SJ element is what matters more than the alternating perspective. For example the Indiana Freedom of Religion law was about the SJ issue. And the SJW is just easier to use because you get called that anyway, I have often stated I prefer saying " I support various SJ causes " ...which is exactly what I tell people in RL when I meet them and they ask me what are hobbies or similar questions

This picture made me laugh but I am missing its relevance to the discussion ?

Well its clear why you make generalizations about SJW, you are woefully uninformed about the broader SJ movement. You only see the movement in the context of gaming and how it impacts you I can help you change that mindset..but it will take time as I'll be honest there will be loads of work and understanding for us to get through? Oh? What if all of this started with a MALE developer, lets call him Zachary Quinn, sleeping with five female journalists for favourable coverage. Not only that, he would've sabotaged a game jam, then created his own with a personal paypal account for donations. He would've also gone to court and solicited a gag order on his former lover, who wrote an embaressing blog about their relationship. Finally, thanks to his friends and connections he would've silenced discussions about the affairs on Reddit, 4chan and so on. Tell me, how would the mainstream media have handled this? Difficult to say. Its always hard to comment on a hypothetical example when the scenario is so unlikely But if he was being harassed online like Zoe Quinn I'm sure he would have received support from some people? Don't pretend to be dumb now. Would've the SJWs listen and believed Zachary Quinn's story and defended him unquestionally? Well you wont like my answer but I doubt it. And the reason is not because SJW don't care about white, heterosexual males its more to do with the reality that this group is the least likely group in the world that is discriminated against. So the SJ structures aren't understandably so evolved for discrimination against this group so I imagine there just would naturally be less outrage? That's why I said the scenario is very unlikely

Well its clear why you make generalizations about SJW, you are woefully uninformed about the broader SJ movement. You only see the movement in the context of gaming and how it impacts you I can help you change that mindset..but it will take time as I'll be honest there will be loads of work and understanding for us to get through? Oh? What if all of this started with a MALE developer, lets call him Zachary Quinn, sleeping with five female journalists for favourable coverage. Not only that, he would've sabotaged a game jam, then created his own with a personal paypal account for donations. He would've also gone to court and solicited a gag order on his former lover, who wrote an embaressing blog about their relationship. Finally, thanks to his friends and connections he would've silenced discussions about the affairs on Reddit, 4chan and so on. Tell me, how would the mainstream media have handled this? Difficult to say. Its always hard to comment on a hypothetical example when the scenario is so unlikely But if he was being harassed online like Zoe Quinn I'm sure he would have received support from some people?

No you right, the word tedious has a negative connotation to it

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/digitalfoundry-2015-grand-theft-auto-5-pc-performance Here is a really technical article that highlights relevant hardware specifications and how they can impact GTAV around graphical performance

http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2015/04/17/gta-5-modding-has-taken-its-first-steps-towards-reality/#more-282735 Here is an interesting link around GTAV and modding support

I'm sure it will have the standard faults. PC gamers will still grind their teeth in frustration as they wrestle with a dreadful unintuitive UI that is not designed for a keyboard and mouse. Combat will again be overly twitch based and not particularly tactical, despite the hours of developer-narrated gameplay footage we've seen where they try really *really* hard to sell us, once again, on how complex and *deep* 5 signs + a sword is (but hey, we got crossbows now! Just like throwing daggers in TW2, but better!). Crafting will probably, again, be an uninspired chore. And my gut is telling me that "Horse management" will probably be more tedious than they're leading us to believe. But that all said, my biggest gripe with Witcher 2 was how small and constrictive the world space felt (Loc Muinne still gives me clusterphobia nightmares. ugh), and they've obviously addressed that in Witcher 3, and in such a mind-blowing epic way too. So I'll probably fall madly in love with this game and spend the majority of my summer inside, in front of my computer, playing it. Awfully cynical outlook there. I got no idea why you'd be so sure they'll mess those things up without seeing them in action. Looks like everything is improved from Witcher 2, especially the fighting system. I'd say the UI looks much better too. Yeah I agree, this game is shaping up to look brilliant

An excuse to what? I don't really understand what rule they supposedly broke. Regardless having researched a little bit. According to HB they were told by security that they are being expelled because of "harassment" with no explanation about what the harassment was. Okay well that's a very different story if it is harassment..that would get anyone expelled from a convention

Well its clear why you make generalizations about SJW, you are woefully uninformed about the broader SJ movement. You only see the movement in the context of gaming and how it impacts you I can help you change that mindset..but it will take time as I'll be honest there will be loads of work and understanding for us to get through?

Sounds good, can't wait to play

Yeah we are going to have to manage the time zones but everyone in EMEA ( Africa, Middle East and Europe ) should be fine My Steam handle is bcrankshaw.

Okay I joined, I'm BruceC

Not really, I just refer to the words " GG " when I talk about the entire movement. I don't say every single person in GG is this or that. You seem to generalize about every single SJW when you have an issue..and that seems to happen fairly regularly. But I suppose you also don't mean every single SJW so my concern seems a little silly. My bad But now this debate becomes difficult to have with you if really believe that every single SJ movement or suggestion is about control and slavery..that's just a negative and unhelpful generalization. Can you not see anything positive about the SJ movement ? Oh, I don't say all SJWs are horrible, sexists, racists people only interested in power to enforce their ideals... just some of them. Okay well good to know because like Volo you seem to make comments that create the impression that you think the entire SJ movement and therefore SJW are just a bad thing

Volo I have time now so lets discuss this You cannot generalize and say SJW are destroying women...of course there will be mistakes made when some SJ ideas are implemented. You can cause more harm than good when you espouse certain ideas that are well meaning yet come across as absurd and insulting, like in the thread about the limerick where my fellow erudite SJW were saying that " black on white racism doesn't really exist and isn't something that needs to be discussed " ...I don't support this view because a better way of saying it is " black on white racism isn't essentially as dehumanizing or offensive as normal white on black racism" . By saying the first thing you just irritate people who have been victims of black on white racism.... And you are wrong, I don't make paint whole groups ...I am not sure what you are even talking about ? I criticize certain decisions or want changes, I don't say all white, male gamers are sexist..just some of them