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Russians don't need sleep ...you guys are HARDCORE !!!

Okay but that's not the same thing as Rape so my moral code won't be compromised playing this game

why you play misogynistic game? its made of rape Can you rape people in this game ? I'm certain that is inaccurate...you probably used a Mod to give that depraved activity

Its quite a coincidence but you see how many of us have 6-7 hours of optimal sleep, we all seem to be similar like that

oh, I want to be your friend then Bokishi...ignore him ...he is using you for your money

Nonsense. Everybody does. The trick is (1) attempting to be aware of making those assumptions and (2) being able to set them aside when they're pointed out to you. Human cognition is based on categorization and generalization. It's just the way we tick. It's how we deal with the resulting biases that count. Once again give me examples of where I have made assumptions of groups of people ? Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. Try reading it again. If you want I can help you. Please do, I clearly need help

That looks amazing, nice one

Nonsense. Everybody does. The trick is (1) attempting to be aware of making those assumptions and (2) being able to set them aside when they're pointed out to you. Human cognition is based on categorization and generalization. It's just the way we tick. It's how we deal with the resulting biases that count. Once again give me examples of where I have made assumptions of groups of people ?

Yes you do. Everyone does. All the time. Just the fact that you are aware of it makes you even more likely to do it while conciously trying to avoid it. Not only is generalization an integral and necessary part of the psyche and basic instincts, but there's been studies that show that if you specifically tell people to avoid stereotyping, they stereotype harder. So in your rainbow delusion, you're probably worse than most that doesn't care. Sure buts lets not over-analyze what I said and nitpick I don't say things like " all Russians are homophobic " despite homophobic laws being passed in Russia or I wouldn't say " all Americans are arrogant warmongers " despite America under Bush being very militant around foreign policy So maybe you can give me examples of where I have "been making assumptions about groups of people " ? I respond directly to what people say or how they act

We should do that, once I have mastered the game in SP mode I'll let you know so we can do some online gaming together

Which country do you live in Faustian? I am interested because it may have something to do with your view " that things cannot be altered or retracted once they are done or said " And this definitely doesn't just apply to politics but my point permeates all aspects of a democratic society "Mommy he called me a name!" "Well I'll call his mother and he'll be grounded!" "Well that turned out well for me, I think I'll complain every time I don't like something instead of just standing up for myself and not being a baby." Can you respond to my question, what country do you live in? I want to understand the context to your views Where do you think I'm from? Clearly you've already geographically stereotyped me. No, the funny thing is I am not really like you at all. I don't make assumptions about groups of people unless they actually say or do something that warrants criticism. So where you live doesn't automatically determine your views But if you tell me where you live I can guarantee you I can give you examples of where comments and concepts have been retracted or changed outside of politics. This leads towards your point earlier where you basically said " only in politics and not in the real world do people change what they say or do "

It was removed because it offended a trans woman who asked for it to be removed. That's easily the dumbest reason to remove something. "It made me butthurt." "REMOVE IT!" Not really, this is actually a valid reason for changes in many things in civil society like politicians retracting comments or misplaced marketing campaigns that are considered offensive to certain groups People say or do things, sometimes these things are then criticized. Then there is an assessment of the issue and a change is made and sometimes an apology This is the way the world works Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is not how the world works. That's how politics works. In the real world, you will be hurt and offended. You either deal with it, or you cry to mommy and have mommy do something about it. You're a victim, and you teach others how to be victims. You should be teaching people how to deal with the real world. Which country do you live in Faustian? I am interested because it may have something to do with your view " that things cannot be altered or retracted once they are done or said " And this definitely doesn't just apply to politics but my point permeates all aspects of a democratic society "Mommy he called me a name!" "Well I'll call his mother and he'll be grounded!" "Well that turned out well for me, I think I'll complain every time I don't like something instead of just standing up for myself and not being a baby." Can you respond to my question, what country do you live in? I want to understand the context to your views

I can't comment yet but I am really keen to play the online MP aspect of GTAV once I have completed the single player part of the game

It was removed because it offended a trans woman who asked for it to be removed. That's easily the dumbest reason to remove something. "It made me butthurt." "REMOVE IT!" Not really, this is actually a valid reason for changes in many things in civil society like politicians retracting comments or misplaced marketing campaigns that are considered offensive to certain groups People say or do things, sometimes these things are then criticized. Then there is an assessment of the issue and a change is made and sometimes an apology This is the way the world works Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is not how the world works. That's how politics works. In the real world, you will be hurt and offended. You either deal with it, or you cry to mommy and have mommy do something about it. You're a victim, and you teach others how to be victims. You should be teaching people how to deal with the real world. Which country do you live in Faustian? I am interested because it may have something to do with your view " that things cannot be altered or retracted once they are done or said " And this definitely doesn't just apply to politics but my point permeates all aspects of a democratic society

I have found this post particularly interesting, I find to be a reasonable explanation of how Russians see the Ukraine I never really thought about it like that, I don't agree with everything you are saying but I will comment later as I want to read your post more attentively later, I'm at work now But I do appreciate your perspective on this matter, it is interesting as I said and you make relevant points

It was removed because it offended a trans woman who asked for it to be removed. That's easily the dumbest reason to remove something. "It made me butthurt." "REMOVE IT!" Not really, this is actually a valid reason for changes in many things in civil society like politicians retracting comments or misplaced marketing campaigns that are considered offensive to certain groups People say or do things, sometimes these things are then criticized. Then there is an assessment of the issue and a change is made and sometimes an apology This is the way the world works

Yes we agree on something, I made a whole a thread about the Indiana " Freedom of Religion Bill " and how it can definitely lead to discrimination http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/73966-indianas-freedom-of-religion-lawcontroversial/ But that is all it seems we agree on. I am limited around time due to work and RL commitments so I already have to pick my battles

I'm neither gay nor trans. The assumptions you've made are very telling. Firedorn has not been censored. You linked to the mod yourself. He is evidently completely free to express himself without any legal repercussions. Censorship is a red herring. It displays either plain dishonesty or a profound ignorance of the legal and historical context. I wasn't going to point this out but I am also neither gay or trans ..I just wanted to hear him going on how " you get to stick it to straight guys again " You see for someone like Faustian its inexplicable that straight people could be agreeing that the limerick was inappropriate so if you support the removal of the limerick you must be pushing some overt or surreptious gay agenda.... as a gay person of course

You right about one something, a persons sexual orientation shouldn't be strange and this basic human right is protected in many countries But its clearly still an issue for some people as you have demonstrated through the homophobic innuendo in your posts

No it doesn't ...but remember the importance of power naps, you only need 10-20 minutes

So the limerick is finally back if you want it ...well that is significant and should change your gaming experience by exactly.......I'm not sure how this changes your gaming experience ? Now before someone says " how does it change your gaming experience by having it in the game " It doesn't but its an issue because of what it represents so for me removing it is more about the principle And that issue is about homophobia The limerick isn't homophobic. Would it be misogynistic if it were about waking up next to an ugly fat woman instead of a transvestite? Are you asking if the limerick was about a guy who kills himself because he had sex with a fat old women would I find it controversial? Yes I would..of course. But it wouldn't be misogynistic, I would say its an issue of ageism...but overall I would just find it crass and childish http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/ageism?showCookiePolicy=true The ****in limerick wasn't meant to be taken literal, but all the gung-ho queers have certainly taken it that way and have in effect censored a backers words. Furthermore none of you even care about it, you're just glad you get to stick it to the straight guys again, because you can't get them to "Stick it" to you. You got it buddy, anytime I get to undermine straight guys I do it...you have exposed the great homosexual grand plan The level of the maturity and logic of your posts is deteriorating at an alarming rate, you sound almost hysterical. My advice is take a break from this discussion for a while, you are not thinking clearly

So the limerick is finally back if you want it ...well that is significant and should change your gaming experience by exactly.......I'm not sure how this changes your gaming experience ? Now before someone says " how does it change your gaming experience by having it in the game " It doesn't but its an issue because of what it represents so for me removing it is more about the principle And that issue is about homophobia The limerick isn't homophobic. Would it be misogynistic if it were about waking up next to an ugly fat woman instead of a transvestite? Are you asking if the limerick was about a guy who kills himself because he had sex with a fat old women would I find it controversial? Yes I would..of course. But it wouldn't be misogynistic, I would say its an issue of ageism...but overall I would just find it crass and childish http://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/english/ageism?showCookiePolicy=true

So the limerick is finally back if you want it ...well that is significant and should change your gaming experience by exactly.......I'm not sure how this changes your gaming experience ? Now before someone says " how does it change your gaming experience by having it in the game " It doesn't but its an issue because of what it represents so for me removing it is more about the principle And that issue is about homophobia

Oh yeah, I can't wait. I am very excited about this game I'll be getting it in the next week or so when I get home so I'll update this thread respectively once I start playing it

I mean the need to address the outrage that was on Facebook and Twitter I don't mean people on these forums didn't have an opinion either way but the reality is there are much more people who don't even frequent these forums that Obsidian also has to be concerned about. And of course there are gaming websites that can influence the perception of Obsidian which is probably why Feargus Urquhart had the interview with Polygon to get a message across. It makes sense if you think about the big picture outside these forums?