BruceVC

Nope you aren't the only one..I have the same view. I find people have different perspectives, what would be the real point of using an Alt anyway?

... which entirely ignores gender-based preferences of the research field based on their interests. Seriously, I'm a mechanical engineer. In the first semester of ME, only 5% of the students were female. How are you going to put more females in STEM positions if they literally don't exist in the first place? A 50:50 quota for females in mechanical engineering would mean that 90% of graduate male engineers would be unemployed. You can't just compare the male-to-female worker ratio in academic positions without comparing it to the number of students in the first place. Okay well that is an interesting point about the reality around the 5 % example In South Africa we face similar issues, due to Apartheid we have strict Affirmative Action (AA) laws but you still see many positions that are reserved for AA candidates in the corporate world that are just not fulled. And the reality is there just aren't enough suitably qualified candidates. Yet there are some accusations that " white people are holding onto jobs and refuse to allow Black people to progress in the workplace " ...I dispute this for the reasons mentioned So I can identify with what you are saying

Thanks Bruce, this post was nice and meaningless. I'd highly recommend people skip over it. I also wanna point out the bitter irony in that the entire reason I felt voicing that opinion neccesary is because we had people on the GG side claiming that Obsidian locking these threads is proof they're against free speech and pro-censorship all the way, which simply isn't true. It's a failure to recognize the facts, such as how Obsidian has actively allowed and run a GG thread in the off-topic forums for months, or how the threads devolve into childish mudslinging. Still you seem to gloss over that fact and present it all as if I'm some snobby douche who goes into ALL threads going "SCOFF SCOFF SCOFF YOU ALL DON'T DEBATE AS GOOD AS ME." Hell no this is an online discussion and I'm here to chill and partake in discussions I enjoy. I screw up a lot too cause I'm relaxed. Right now I'm having a very difficult time trying not to call you out on your **** even more than I currently am (be ironic if this thread got locked cause of you and me). I pointed out what I pointed out because it was relevant to the discussion. Claiming the threads are locked on the grounds of Obsidian liking censorship is in blatant denial of all the back and forth personal jabs that went on that accomplish nothing. And of course, big surprise, you did not respond to any of the things I asked you to respond to. GG Bruce, I wonder why a lot of people have a strict policy of not bothering to respond to you. It's like you can't actually defend your stances when called out on them or something...Pretty weird, right? Nah sorry, didn't mean it as arguing, was just clarifying one last time. Sorry if it came off that way. Sorry LK but outside of GG people respond to me all time and contribute to threads I make in a meaningful and interesting way, lets just accept you and I don't agree on most things and we will avoid debating with each other because we obviously don't understand each other And thats fine, no worries from my side

Bruce, have you considered that I, with my law studies, might be well versed and practiced in what makes a productive discussion/debate when I need to be, and that you might be speaking from a place of ignorance? I don't mean this to sound snobby, but what I mean is that if you wanted, I could very well explain to you things that others are doing wrong if our interest is in actually having a serious discussion. Or have you considered that it may be proof I have a point when the entire thread seemingly shuts down the moment I start providing what I call a productive debate while calling out what I refer to do-nothing posts? Don't you think if I were just talking out my ass, there'd be more people agreeing with you instead of posts such as PrimeJunta's where he admits that he's posting nothing serious at this point cause he sees no reason to? So the ball is in your court: explain to me how I'm wrong about limericks taking jabs at one another, smug senses of superiority, exaggerations, strawmans and overreactions are not childish and can infact bring about productive debate and discussion. Or are you going to make a meaningless, empty statement about how there is no objectively superior way to discuss things and "muh feels" (or rather your feels) are just as meaningful and important? Once again its irrelevant if person x or person y doesn't want to post in this thread or feels its pointless There are people who are posting in good faith and are enjoying the debate and the perspectives. I have no idea what are all the motivations for the various limericks but for some it could just be to lesson the mood and seriousness But none of that changes the fact its annoying to have you lecture people about what is childish or productive , this is your subjective view of this debate and once again I don't think anyone cares what you think is acceptable Don't comment in this thread if you don't want to...its not hard to understand this principle. You are not a Moderator and even then I have never known a Moderator to say things like " this thread is childish and so are the comments " Anyway I understand you are trying to improve the general posting etiquette so I apologize for being so critical of your views but as I said I do find it annoying

Bruce if you wonder why half the forum community gets this weird passive-aggressive vibe from you and why my post about how you're "like that guy who's all pleasant and polite and invites you over to his perfect house with his perfect family to have a perfect dinner, and then when you accidently use the salad fork on your main entree, he pulls a gun on you for ruining his perfect life" got upvoted, this is it. I claim discussion in these threads gets childish because it does. Empty statements that point the finger and smugly regard the opposing side as idiots, without highlighting any points at all. Flip back through the pages and the threads and you'll clearly see this. No worries, my claim that conversations with a person are a complete waste of time will remain exclusive to you, as that's not a claim I throw about lightly. I doubt anyone cares if you think our discussions are childish, its irrelevant and irritating to have you lecture people You have no idea how many times i have wanted to comment how childish some of your posts in the GG thread are..but I don't So try to extend to people the same respect that they give to you when you constantly bring to our attention " corruption in the gaming industry" And I'm not being passive-aggressive...I am displaying unequivocal annoyance because that's exactly how I feel

Please stop telling people what you consider to be childish or lacking intellectually You keep doing this yet you comment yourself, once again ...no is forcing you to participate in this discussion Considering how much you post in the GG thread which most of us think is utterly pointless any lectures from you about what is productive just seems moot and inconsequential

...wow. That sentence there gave me the willies. Unified for what? Unified under what criteria? And make people conform to it under threat of violence? Sounds a lot like fascism. Look, I understand that you take great pride in and identify with the accomplishments of people randomly born at an arbitrary distance from you who happen to speak the same language or not. I respect your right to join with whomever and do things you deem great but about which I don't give a toss. Just let me ****ing opt-out, and don't threaten me with imprisonment or death if I don't want to participate, ok? Nope sorry you can't op to leave civil society, you need to continue to pay your taxes and receive the benefits of living in civilized and progressive country. Or you need to go off the grid and reject all the comforts that you receive I always find it hypocritical and humorous to hear people say things like " I don't want to be part of the system...I don't want to participate " while they sit behind there keyboards with there smartphones lamenting " how terrible things are" My advice is if you are so opposed to the system go live in rural Africa for 1-2 years...understand what is really means to not be part of the system. Then you will be back begging to participate I can guarantee you that

If they actually cared one way or another about the little war you are trying to instigate here, they would lock this thread. They locked like 5 of these threads if not more, if anything they realized its kind of pointless by now. So yes, of course they care or at least cared. THey will lock this one eventually too. I disagree, my experience has been the Mods have only closed down or consolidated repetitive threads around this topic And they closed down threads if a Op asked it to be done

...than the ones already provided? So you don't believe that governments have a valid purpose and the reasons given for the role of governments you dismiss So how do you suggest the world and countries should be managed ?

Yes. This thread has been uncommonly entertaining. I never would have thought I'd end up with an odd but rather compelling feeling that I should be apologising to oby for accusing him of being someone's alt, but... oby, I unreservedly apologise for impugning your honour. You're a scholar, a gentleman, perspicacious, honest, a font of wisdom and integrity, an asset to the forum and a valued contributor*, I unreservedly withdraw the accusation and disavow any further thoughts of it, you did not deserve that vilest of calumnies and unfairest of comparisons. Please forgive me. This is a first, you actually admitting you were wrong. Guess I'm not Oby ... You should feel a sense of relief ..like a big weight has been taken off your shoulders. Now we just need to work on your views on politics and we will really be getting somewhere

Yeah that really cracked me up

Somehow I doubt it

I'm not sure of the relevance of that point KP because I dont see people making a mockery and dismissing female genital mutilation on these forums?

Thats interesting, can you share how you found out?

Nah I never report anyone ever

Yip and throw in bestiality and we are really on a winning ticket

Nah, it won't be tolerated by a subset of the fanbase who frankly don't have to support Obsidian if they feel that strongly about it I say if people have such little patience and respect for all the hard work that Obsidian has done at entertaining us through the years and choose to make such a big deal about such a little change to the overall game then they must just go. I don't believe Obsidian would want fans who are so capricious anyway

Malc I can rely on you for a straight answer, do you think I am Oby?

Not sure what you are alluding to, remember I'm not as clever as you so you have to talk slow

I tend to agree and I still am not convinced he is even a Troll, why can't he just be someone who is entirely committed but misplaced in his political views?

Well I have really enjoyed this thread for two primary reasons I enjoy relevant SJ discussions where there is interesting feedback and that doesn't necessarily mean people just agreeing with my views I have loved the eloquence that many people have demonstrated with there ability to create limericks ...well played guys

I can sympathize with both sides of the debate in this case but you really think such an intelligent man doing such a significant interview would have known better or at least had someone tell him how inappropriate that shirt was

Now that's a good question We need order and structure because many people are incapable of doing the right thing, like paying tax, unless they are forced to So governments represent a collective system that allows things to function like the maintenance of institutions, examples of these include healthcare and education, and without institutions you will have countries and there citizens living in a benighted state where they just don't progress That's one of the biggest failures in Africa, the failure to maintain institutions in both the private and public sector So paying tax to your overlord(s) is 'doing the right thing'? You choose 'paying taxes' of all the examples in the universe one could come up with as doing the right thing? And you need your overlords to make sure you pay taxes to them? There's some circular logic fail for ya. Also, paying taxes has as much to do with doing the right thing as God has to do with choosing and blessing monarch X that claimed 'divine right'. Taxes are a primary way a government is able to maintain institutions and invest in the growth of a country I don't consider the government overlords but the custodians of ensuring a country is functional What would be your suggestion for a government to generate revenue and before you answer that consider this, every single government in the world uses some form of tax system because taxes work and are relevant to what governments need They could lower government spending while offering incentives to create free market alternatives. Sure but lowering government expenditure is something that should happen anyway and is what most governments aspire to achieve I like the free market concept but there will always be certain things that any government will want to be responsible for to ensure fairness and reasonable control of so its not abused by the private sector So free markets aren't the solution for everything ?

Interesting so it does seem to be legitimate but I have issue that she thinks this type of comment is tantamount to someone being a " non-radical " feminist I actually find her comments offensive All I can say is " guys don't pay this type of vitriol any attention", its tripe and will create unnecessary consternation

I found it funny, the reality is I have absolutely NO ability in creating limericks so I am impressed by basically any effort