BruceVC

Yes this is correct about being influenced around a certain extremist ideology But that is not the type of assumptions I am talking about, what you saying is fact because he was raised in a certain environment But it would be wrong to say " all Muslims are extremists " , those are the types of assumptions of groups of people I don't make

Nonsense. Everybody does. The trick is (1) attempting to be aware of making those assumptions and (2) being able to set them aside when they're pointed out to you. Human cognition is based on categorization and generalization. It's just the way we tick. It's how we deal with the resulting biases that count. Once again give me examples of where I have made assumptions of groups of people ? Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. Try reading it again. If you want I can help you. Please do, I clearly need help Originally I was going to largely ignore this series of posts outside of my rather snarky "like" as I'm under the impression that you aren't really interested in the necessary introspection but then I remembered how your reaction caught in my throat while everyone else was rightfully expressing their shock and sympathy for the legitimate and completely unexcusaeble bigotry Mungri's own father hurled into his face. Mungri can I ask you a question? As a gay man how do you feel about some of these comments on this thread? Do you find comments like " homosexuality is not natural " annoying? Offensive? Or do you just not care. My gay friends seem to care less about gay rights than I do, they say things like " you will never change some peoples minds so why bother ". But I refuse to accept that. I don't need to change peoples minds, I just want to let people that homophobia is not acceptable I'm pretty much desensitised to such stuff after my father told me that he would have had me aborted if he knew I was going to turn out gay. Yeah some of my friends have similar stories, not all of them but some. Living in South Africa we have a very liberal constitution that protects your sexual orientation in society but that doesn't stop all homophobic comments and of course nothing can stop what people and family say and act on a personal level One of my friends told his mom at the age of 20 he was gay and she didn't speak to him for 3 years because her boyfriend was homophobic. They get on very well now but when he told me the story he didn't even seem angry with her....I was thinking " how can your mom chose some random guy over her own son...and how can you not be angry and disappointed with her " ... but I never said those things to him because I didn't want to make him feel worse about his moms behavior I know you aren't looking for sympathy and I'm sure we will now hear comments like " oh so now only gay people have a monopoly on there parents treating them badly..my parents did this to me and my parents did that " but the reality is most straight people have never had to deal with the emotional and verbal abuse and hurt that many gay people have to deal with including the incredibly insensitive and appalling comments that your were subjected to by your dad ...anyway thanks for sharing So ... was that another BruceVC? Sorry I have no idea what you are talking about? Can you explain a little further ..are you suggesting I didn't show concern about how Mungri's dad treated him? I want to have this debate with you so please respond

Its funny isn't it Meshugger, someone really wants to discuss bias and ethics in the gaming industry and you don't think he is being serious. It just shows how jaded we have all become around this topic and it isn't that unusual to question this type of interest in the real topic . It feels like a lifetime ago when the whole Zoe Quinn incident started ...and man this thing has been discussed to death, you think of all the links, outrage and events that have occurred..no wonder you suffering from " topic fatigue " But he is legitimate, I just wonder how long discussion on "ethics in the gaming industry " can continue considering the past history of debate

Fixed. Sorry, Just trying to get my self psyched for Witcher 3. (which, btw, you should be *really* interested in Bruce. The Main plot is about Geralt finding a lost love. Isn't that, like, what you live for?) You right, I'm super excited about W3...but more because of the size of the game world and the overall quality of the narrative. And of course all the other endearing qualities that come with a Witcher game like monster hunting, the mature themes and the real choices you need to make that seem to really matter and make you think (I let Letho live after hearing why he did what he did ) So yeah you right Stun..bring on W3

I've actually seen people argue that a game is only an RPG if there's a 'to hit' mechanice. That's preposterous..its such a silly thing to say that a game is only a RPG unless it contains a "to hit " mechanic A game is only a RPG if it contains deep and engaging Romance arcs...at least this is something we can all agree on

You seem like a very rationale and reasonable person Evensong, I like the way you make your points in that way that is cogent yet not at all belligerent I hope to see you frequenting the OT section more often

Russians don't need sleep ...you guys are HARDCORE !!!

Okay but that's not the same thing as Rape so my moral code won't be compromised playing this game

why you play misogynistic game? its made of rape Can you rape people in this game ? I'm certain that is inaccurate...you probably used a Mod to give that depraved activity

Its quite a coincidence but you see how many of us have 6-7 hours of optimal sleep, we all seem to be similar like that

oh, I want to be your friend then Bokishi...ignore him ...he is using you for your money

Nonsense. Everybody does. The trick is (1) attempting to be aware of making those assumptions and (2) being able to set them aside when they're pointed out to you. Human cognition is based on categorization and generalization. It's just the way we tick. It's how we deal with the resulting biases that count. Once again give me examples of where I have made assumptions of groups of people ? Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. Try reading it again. If you want I can help you. Please do, I clearly need help

That looks amazing, nice one

Nonsense. Everybody does. The trick is (1) attempting to be aware of making those assumptions and (2) being able to set them aside when they're pointed out to you. Human cognition is based on categorization and generalization. It's just the way we tick. It's how we deal with the resulting biases that count. Once again give me examples of where I have made assumptions of groups of people ?

Yes you do. Everyone does. All the time. Just the fact that you are aware of it makes you even more likely to do it while conciously trying to avoid it. Not only is generalization an integral and necessary part of the psyche and basic instincts, but there's been studies that show that if you specifically tell people to avoid stereotyping, they stereotype harder. So in your rainbow delusion, you're probably worse than most that doesn't care. Sure buts lets not over-analyze what I said and nitpick I don't say things like " all Russians are homophobic " despite homophobic laws being passed in Russia or I wouldn't say " all Americans are arrogant warmongers " despite America under Bush being very militant around foreign policy So maybe you can give me examples of where I have "been making assumptions about groups of people " ? I respond directly to what people say or how they act

We should do that, once I have mastered the game in SP mode I'll let you know so we can do some online gaming together

Which country do you live in Faustian? I am interested because it may have something to do with your view " that things cannot be altered or retracted once they are done or said " And this definitely doesn't just apply to politics but my point permeates all aspects of a democratic society "Mommy he called me a name!" "Well I'll call his mother and he'll be grounded!" "Well that turned out well for me, I think I'll complain every time I don't like something instead of just standing up for myself and not being a baby." Can you respond to my question, what country do you live in? I want to understand the context to your views Where do you think I'm from? Clearly you've already geographically stereotyped me. No, the funny thing is I am not really like you at all. I don't make assumptions about groups of people unless they actually say or do something that warrants criticism. So where you live doesn't automatically determine your views But if you tell me where you live I can guarantee you I can give you examples of where comments and concepts have been retracted or changed outside of politics. This leads towards your point earlier where you basically said " only in politics and not in the real world do people change what they say or do "

It was removed because it offended a trans woman who asked for it to be removed. That's easily the dumbest reason to remove something. "It made me butthurt." "REMOVE IT!" Not really, this is actually a valid reason for changes in many things in civil society like politicians retracting comments or misplaced marketing campaigns that are considered offensive to certain groups People say or do things, sometimes these things are then criticized. Then there is an assessment of the issue and a change is made and sometimes an apology This is the way the world works Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is not how the world works. That's how politics works. In the real world, you will be hurt and offended. You either deal with it, or you cry to mommy and have mommy do something about it. You're a victim, and you teach others how to be victims. You should be teaching people how to deal with the real world. Which country do you live in Faustian? I am interested because it may have something to do with your view " that things cannot be altered or retracted once they are done or said " And this definitely doesn't just apply to politics but my point permeates all aspects of a democratic society "Mommy he called me a name!" "Well I'll call his mother and he'll be grounded!" "Well that turned out well for me, I think I'll complain every time I don't like something instead of just standing up for myself and not being a baby." Can you respond to my question, what country do you live in? I want to understand the context to your views

I can't comment yet but I am really keen to play the online MP aspect of GTAV once I have completed the single player part of the game

It was removed because it offended a trans woman who asked for it to be removed. That's easily the dumbest reason to remove something. "It made me butthurt." "REMOVE IT!" Not really, this is actually a valid reason for changes in many things in civil society like politicians retracting comments or misplaced marketing campaigns that are considered offensive to certain groups People say or do things, sometimes these things are then criticized. Then there is an assessment of the issue and a change is made and sometimes an apology This is the way the world works Sorry to burst your bubble, but that is not how the world works. That's how politics works. In the real world, you will be hurt and offended. You either deal with it, or you cry to mommy and have mommy do something about it. You're a victim, and you teach others how to be victims. You should be teaching people how to deal with the real world. Which country do you live in Faustian? I am interested because it may have something to do with your view " that things cannot be altered or retracted once they are done or said " And this definitely doesn't just apply to politics but my point permeates all aspects of a democratic society

I have found this post particularly interesting, I find to be a reasonable explanation of how Russians see the Ukraine I never really thought about it like that, I don't agree with everything you are saying but I will comment later as I want to read your post more attentively later, I'm at work now But I do appreciate your perspective on this matter, it is interesting as I said and you make relevant points

It was removed because it offended a trans woman who asked for it to be removed. That's easily the dumbest reason to remove something. "It made me butthurt." "REMOVE IT!" Not really, this is actually a valid reason for changes in many things in civil society like politicians retracting comments or misplaced marketing campaigns that are considered offensive to certain groups People say or do things, sometimes these things are then criticized. Then there is an assessment of the issue and a change is made and sometimes an apology This is the way the world works

Yes we agree on something, I made a whole a thread about the Indiana " Freedom of Religion Bill " and how it can definitely lead to discrimination http://forums.obsidian.net/topic/73966-indianas-freedom-of-religion-lawcontroversial/ But that is all it seems we agree on. I am limited around time due to work and RL commitments so I already have to pick my battles

I'm neither gay nor trans. The assumptions you've made are very telling. Firedorn has not been censored. You linked to the mod yourself. He is evidently completely free to express himself without any legal repercussions. Censorship is a red herring. It displays either plain dishonesty or a profound ignorance of the legal and historical context. I wasn't going to point this out but I am also neither gay or trans ..I just wanted to hear him going on how " you get to stick it to straight guys again " You see for someone like Faustian its inexplicable that straight people could be agreeing that the limerick was inappropriate so if you support the removal of the limerick you must be pushing some overt or surreptious gay agenda.... as a gay person of course

You right about one something, a persons sexual orientation shouldn't be strange and this basic human right is protected in many countries But its clearly still an issue for some people as you have demonstrated through the homophobic innuendo in your posts