BruceVC

I'm glad you enjoyed yourself, Cape Town is awesome. I am flying back to Joburg tomorrow night South African girls are good fun, its great you had an opportunity to party...I looooove Tequila

So, you're saying a fictional character in a fictional game isn't even fictionally free to prefer fictional women to fictional men. . I'll just repeat what has been repeated probably a million times by now, it's trans-misogynistic because it unfairly maligns an already historically-oppressed group, because it has absolutely no context other than to offend, that somehow, a "genetic" woman turned into a man is somehow shameful. This is in essence is what the issue is for me, the person kills himself because he had sex with a transgender person. She would have looked like a women and had the physical characteristics of women so she would have had a vagina so the actual act of sex would have been normal but then the guy suddenly finds out that she use to be a man and suddenly the mental image is enough for him to kill himself because of the " shame" But he had no issue during the sex, so of course it is offensive How would any heterosexual male feel if a women killed herself after having sex with you ? How would you not be offended that just the physical act of consensual sex with you was enough to warrant suicide ?

Yet you still managed to comment on this thread despite your annoyance ...weird one that. It obviously can't bother you that much

Yeah, that's a good way of wording it " not having a strong diet education " and " being able to eat what you want now " Of course we also know that in some poor communities obesity is also an issue because junk and take-away food is cheap and prevalent. For example Organic food is more expensive than normal food. In South Africa not everyone can afford Organic food which is the healthier option

Sorry, that wasn't my intention

Good point, that is valid Interesting development but since Apartheid ended I have noticed a real problem around obesity amongst some sectors in the growing black middle class...you must see how fat our politicians are This is to be expected because healthy eating has been inculcated in white culture for years ( and we also have issues with obesity) but the same views around what you should or shouldn't eat aren't as prevalent in black South African culture, plus you now have much more spending power so of course this will lead to a period of people eating loads of junk food and initially getting overweight But this should rectify itself as time goes on

Because it accurately describes who we've been opposed to for (at least)the last 8 months? I do admit, whenever I see another self-hating white male nerd I must laugh at the cuck. Anyone else pick up on how SJWs are composed of the groups they dislike the most? Yaaaay, I knew you guys would get this topic back to what you really enjoy discussing the most " questioning SJ causes and finding contradictions in the SJ narrative " And thats fine, personally I prefer it as well. So lets not pretend we want to really discuss '" bias in the gaming industry " ...that was been discussed to death @ KP No I have never noticed that and I have to say that makes no sense as it would be a counterproductive to have people we criticize in the movement. And consistency is important to get a message across and to get that message to resonate with people

Yeah you guys are lucky, being selective about what vegetables you can eat is more a first world country consideration Where I come from many people don't know where there next meal is coming from and don't say "no " to basically any food....hunger is a reality some indigent people really live with on a daily basis Now that my journey on the guilt-trip train is done please excuse me....my lobster thermidor is getting cold

Holy Smoke Gfted1..why do you hate vegetables so much....its inevitable that the day will come when there will be a valid SJ movement that prevents and or criticizes any vitriol against our green and healthy friends. So my advice is rather get into the habit now of not being accused of excoriation against veg, rather be on the right side of history from the beginning....less regrets and consternation later

I have an issue with his some of his reviews because its always the same, he basically dismisses everything and turns normal gaming components into a joke with his high-speed way of talking Yes he is funny, but its easy to criticize something. Its much harder to be constructive. But I don't dislike him, I don't dislike any gaming journalist. He is just not my primary source for reviews about games

I wasn't sure what "SIJW " actually meant, now I do. I'll remember that

Oh, if only I could like this post more than once. And that last paragraph should... kudos. You took the words right out of my mouth I was saying to Serdan how I spend most of my time on these forums on the Off-Topic where I try to raise issues around SJ and most of the time people aren't really that interested...so I use to feel I was one of the few people who seemed to care. But after reading many of the comments in this thread and others its been very reassuring to see there are many people who share my views and refuse to accept discrimination on these forums. So this entire discussion has been great The only thing I do nowadays is I say " I care about SJ values " and not " I'm a SJW ". They do basically mean the same thing but what I have noticed is an immediate dismissive attitude if you say " SJW " because that has become a term to describe people who want to change everything that people claim to hold dear. And even though we shouldn't have to not use the term SJW its much easier to initiate dialogue if you just avoid that word. The discussion can be exactly the same and thats what matters to me, the discussion. Frankly I don't care what people want to call me, I just want to debate the issues I feel are relevant to achieve a more equitable and tolerant society

I'm not that bad but I do eat Pizza with a knife and fork

Do you guys use a knife and fork to eat a hamburger? I always do but after watching food shows like Diners, Drive-Ins and Dives it appears you should use your hands to eat a good burger

Really, isn't a core ingredient of guacamole Avocado? Yes, but not all guac tastes a ton like plain avocado. Some are more like .. hot chunky salsa with some avocado mush in it. Fair enough

Really, isn't a core ingredient of guacamole Avocado?

Wowzers that does look good You have very similar tastes to me, additions like bacon and avocado can only improve an already tasty burger Its interesting how they offer both guacamole and Avo as separate items so theoretically you could have both even though they are very similar

This, games are really completely different Personally I enjoy both types of games. But I prefer your more classic RPG with real dialogue options like PoE But games like Grimrock are very entertaining in there own way

That sounds like an impressive sight ....especially at night What type of burger did you eat...details please, details

Yes this is correct about being influenced around a certain extremist ideology But that is not the type of assumptions I am talking about, what you saying is fact because he was raised in a certain environment But it would be wrong to say " all Muslims are extremists " , those are the types of assumptions of groups of people I don't make

Nonsense. Everybody does. The trick is (1) attempting to be aware of making those assumptions and (2) being able to set them aside when they're pointed out to you. Human cognition is based on categorization and generalization. It's just the way we tick. It's how we deal with the resulting biases that count. Once again give me examples of where I have made assumptions of groups of people ? Your reading comprehension leaves a lot to be desired. Try reading it again. If you want I can help you. Please do, I clearly need help Originally I was going to largely ignore this series of posts outside of my rather snarky "like" as I'm under the impression that you aren't really interested in the necessary introspection but then I remembered how your reaction caught in my throat while everyone else was rightfully expressing their shock and sympathy for the legitimate and completely unexcusaeble bigotry Mungri's own father hurled into his face. Mungri can I ask you a question? As a gay man how do you feel about some of these comments on this thread? Do you find comments like " homosexuality is not natural " annoying? Offensive? Or do you just not care. My gay friends seem to care less about gay rights than I do, they say things like " you will never change some peoples minds so why bother ". But I refuse to accept that. I don't need to change peoples minds, I just want to let people that homophobia is not acceptable I'm pretty much desensitised to such stuff after my father told me that he would have had me aborted if he knew I was going to turn out gay. Yeah some of my friends have similar stories, not all of them but some. Living in South Africa we have a very liberal constitution that protects your sexual orientation in society but that doesn't stop all homophobic comments and of course nothing can stop what people and family say and act on a personal level One of my friends told his mom at the age of 20 he was gay and she didn't speak to him for 3 years because her boyfriend was homophobic. They get on very well now but when he told me the story he didn't even seem angry with her....I was thinking " how can your mom chose some random guy over her own son...and how can you not be angry and disappointed with her " ... but I never said those things to him because I didn't want to make him feel worse about his moms behavior I know you aren't looking for sympathy and I'm sure we will now hear comments like " oh so now only gay people have a monopoly on there parents treating them badly..my parents did this to me and my parents did that " but the reality is most straight people have never had to deal with the emotional and verbal abuse and hurt that many gay people have to deal with including the incredibly insensitive and appalling comments that your were subjected to by your dad ...anyway thanks for sharing So ... was that another BruceVC? Sorry I have no idea what you are talking about? Can you explain a little further ..are you suggesting I didn't show concern about how Mungri's dad treated him? I want to have this debate with you so please respond

Its funny isn't it Meshugger, someone really wants to discuss bias and ethics in the gaming industry and you don't think he is being serious. It just shows how jaded we have all become around this topic and it isn't that unusual to question this type of interest in the real topic . It feels like a lifetime ago when the whole Zoe Quinn incident started ...and man this thing has been discussed to death, you think of all the links, outrage and events that have occurred..no wonder you suffering from " topic fatigue " But he is legitimate, I just wonder how long discussion on "ethics in the gaming industry " can continue considering the past history of debate

Fixed. Sorry, Just trying to get my self psyched for Witcher 3. (which, btw, you should be *really* interested in Bruce. The Main plot is about Geralt finding a lost love. Isn't that, like, what you live for?) You right, I'm super excited about W3...but more because of the size of the game world and the overall quality of the narrative. And of course all the other endearing qualities that come with a Witcher game like monster hunting, the mature themes and the real choices you need to make that seem to really matter and make you think (I let Letho live after hearing why he did what he did ) So yeah you right Stun..bring on W3

I've actually seen people argue that a game is only an RPG if there's a 'to hit' mechanice. That's preposterous..its such a silly thing to say that a game is only a RPG unless it contains a "to hit " mechanic A game is only a RPG if it contains deep and engaging Romance arcs...at least this is something we can all agree on

You seem like a very rationale and reasonable person Evensong, I like the way you make your points in that way that is cogent yet not at all belligerent I hope to see you frequenting the OT section more often