BruceVC

The point of the feigned offence is to make you understand that the situation is unreasonable precisely because any number of people can be offended by any number of things, and anyone can feign any form of offence. I'm offended you don't recognize my right to identify as an apache attack helicopter, and demand that it is included in the game. This should not have to be spelled out to you. Okay you didn't seem to read my whole post about if you say something is offensive there needs to be context So why are you offended that an apache helicopter isn't in the game ? There must be a valid reason if you say so ? You see my point, so that was a silly and irrelevant point you made

Oh hi bruce! You're here. I did a limerick just for you. Here, lies Bruce, a hero to some Wishes to bed Sagani, but has remained mum He secretly sighs and wails Claims that POE Fails Because it has no romances, "how come?!! That made me laugh...its clever

Will they all see reason if I just keep on posting this meaningless stuff that they're probably not even reading or considering? It'll work eventually, right? You weren't being sarcastic, were you? Fine, fine, I guess I'll give it a rest. Nobody's getting through to anybody in this discussion anymore. Its not about convincing people, its about some of us letting other people know we don't have an issue with what Obsidian did by making the change and also how we can empathize with the original offense Remember there is backlash from some and comments like " well I will never support Obsidian again because they gave in to SJW " and other similar invective's

I'd suspect (but don't know) that the argument would be something like this: *Western society approves aggressiveness and outspokenness in men but discourages it in women *Women are trained in western society to not question authority or to stand up for themselves *therefore society respects and responds to an assertive male, but not an assertive female *therefore men negotiate better than women because this is what society thinks is acceptable; women will be seen negatively if they negotiate and are trained by society not to negotiate Also, since Sad Puppies was brought up here, George R.R. Martin on Puppygate/Sad Puppies: http://grrm.livejournal.com/417125.html I would say this is accurate, but I also believe this is more a problem outside Western countries.

I'm more offended by the poor craftsmanship of your poem than its contents, to be honest. Don't write limericks unless you know what an anapest is, pls Agreed, epic fail Hiro

Hehe..nice argument, except that I'm not the one demanding censorship here.. And, I'm just expressing, after them, my opinion, stating that I am a little disappointed, nothing more. If you think I shouldn't do this please go ahead, I don't want to censor you.. You are demanding censorship, because you're directly comparing people who disagree with you to murderous lynch mobs and the nazis, and thus putting them outside the range of acceptable conversation, characterizing them has indulging in hate-speech (which is censored). You also don't understand what intellectual integrity means. It means being able to back up your ideas, and sticking to them when they're rational, and dropping them when they're shown to be irrational. Anyone even using the phrase "feminazi" has already given up any claim to "intellectual integrity", because he's using crude, offensive, propaganda-speech, which compares fairly harmless people to a massive evil army (bordering on a death cult) which took over Europe by violent force and exterminated millions of people. There's no intellectual integrity there. It absolutely does not mean mindlessly sticking to your guns, or worse, someone else's guns, as you seem to think it does. Good post, personally I have always found the characterizations " femnazi" and " SJF " ( social justice Fascist ) offensive and completely exaggerated and unnecessary People like myself support SJ initiatives, the last thing I am is some kind of bigot who should be associated with groups of people who committed genocide I have asked people to refrain from using such words but some people still use them. So I can really can identify with your logic So according to SJW, words like "feminazi" and "SJF" should be censored.. xD Just shows what these guys really stand for.. xD In the end all we'll be able to say is commenting about the weather hehe.. No you can refer to me as anything you feel is appropriate, just don't expect to be taken seriously if you want to have a mature debate and want to use words like that

You see for me its simple, if something is hurtful to a particular group then we need to consider its value and ask questions like " was this the right decision to include it " But its more complicated than that because now people who want to dismiss this point will feign offense and say things like " well I find the color Red offensive " ...can you remove it ? So we need to look at things historically and in context. I am a white South African who still lives in South Africa and the circles I move in believe that certain words and actions are just unacceptable. The reality is the LGBT community is arguably still the most discriminated minority group in the world, there are places I travel to for work where its the death penalty if you are gay. In my own country you cannot be sexist or racist as you get called out on it but you can still be homophobic..despite the fact our Constitution protects your sexual orientation So from a SJ perspective I am particularly critical when it comes to Homophobia because I see this as fairly common form of bigotry that people justify for a number of reasons So when you ask " why do I care " I care because I don't think its right that people are discriminated against because of there sexual orientation. Its an simple as that

Guys can you use spoilers if you are going to PoE, some of us haven't played the game yet and really don't want to know too much about it

You are being far to modest GD, I'm sure you speak several other languages like ....Elk, Bear...maybe even Wild Boar ?

Hehe..nice argument, except that I'm not the one demanding censorship here.. And, I'm just expressing, after them, my opinion, stating that I am a little disappointed, nothing more. If you think I shouldn't do this please go ahead, I don't want to censor you.. You are demanding censorship, because you're directly comparing people who disagree with you to murderous lynch mobs and the nazis, and thus putting them outside the range of acceptable conversation, characterizing them has indulging in hate-speech (which is censored). You also don't understand what intellectual integrity means. It means being able to back up your ideas, and sticking to them when they're rational, and dropping them when they're shown to be irrational. Anyone even using the phrase "feminazi" has already given up any claim to "intellectual integrity", because he's using crude, offensive, propaganda-speech, which compares fairly harmless people to a massive evil army (bordering on a death cult) which took over Europe by violent force and exterminated millions of people. There's no intellectual integrity there. It absolutely does not mean mindlessly sticking to your guns, or worse, someone else's guns, as you seem to think it does. Good post, personally I have always found the characterizations " femnazi" and " SJF " ( social justice Fascist ) offensive and completely exaggerated and unnecessary People like myself support SJ initiatives, the last thing I am is some kind of bigot who should be associated with groups of people who committed genocide I have asked people to refrain from using such words but some people still use them. So I can really can identify with your logic

Guys I think the Op was referring to valid and accepted languages? Dutch is basically a bastardization of Afrikaans so its not really applicable in this case Ek jy nie verstaan nie. Not bad

Yeah, the irony is strong isn't it . Reminds me of the GG thread actually

Guys I think the Op was referring to valid and accepted languages? Dutch is basically a bastardization of Afrikaans so its not really applicable in this case

Holy Smoke ..okay that is interesting. I imagine those languages are completely different. Nice one

Okay but what languages are those..I'm not sure I understand what you mean when you say they belong to a different group?

Nice, so you are a linguist. What are the languages do you speak and what languages can you also read ?

You picked the example, Bruceykins. Not my fault you picked one where the french were aiding a genocidal regime, since there are so many successful interventions to pick from (there are so many successful ones, aren't there?) you could always concede you stuffed up and pick another example. Just like Gromnir you should feel free to Post Proof of where I said that Or Retract. You even used quotes, so it should be easy to find where I said it, too. Or perhaps it's just another case of someone saying something you (and they, oh so very very desperately) want to be true and just repeating that, again and again: tilting at windmills made of strawmen. No Zora, there is no evidence that confirms that the French were complicit in the genocide. In fact they have denied this on numerous occasions That is why the link Gfted1 posted will be relevant. You can't make blanket statements about a country especially when it comes to a charge like genocide unless you have irrefutable evidence. And as for the link where you said Russia hasn't been impacted by sanctions...it didn't take me very long to find it There that was easy enough ( oh and thanks for the compliment, I didn't know you felt that way )

Because Social Justice Warriors are poison, a cancer that never goes away. The best you can hope for is remission. It's like a cloud of diseased spores that worms it's way into every nook and cranny, looking for something to be offended by and attack; like a virus turning the own body against itself, or a fungus that corrupts and rots the brain until the organism climbs up high and kills itself. This is so much hyperbole other hyperboles ask it for candy money. Don't forget grandiloquence..it also reeks of grandiloquence This. This I am willing to accept. Partly because I learned a new word, and it's a word that in it's very essence is the same thing it describes. That's wonderful. Yeah, it is one those unusual words but appropriate at times. I fairly regularly get accused of it

Because Social Justice Warriors are poison, a cancer that never goes away. The best you can hope for is remission. It's like a cloud of diseased spores that worms it's way into every nook and cranny, looking for something to be offended by and attack; like a virus turning the own body against itself, or a fungus that corrupts and rots the brain until the organism climbs up high and kills itself. This is so much hyperbole other hyperboles ask it for candy money. Don't forget grandiloquence..it also reeks of grandiloquence

Now that's a good question We need order and structure because many people are incapable of doing the right thing, like paying tax, unless they are forced to So governments represent a collective system that allows things to function like the maintenance of institutions, examples of these include healthcare and education, and without institutions you will have countries and there citizens living in a benighted state where they just don't progress That's one of the biggest failures in Africa, the failure to maintain institutions in both the private and public sector

Because people are sick of them. Anyway, PoE is still in the top Ten on Steam, that includes a new BIG release and a big sale on south park and some youtube deal with gtaV maybe, so far it´s doing goog. I would say let Obsidian come out when they are ready to say the sales and what they can do with money. Speculating is fun, but also pointless :D If you are sick of people who care about social justice, you should probably stop supporting Obsidian and their products, as they in fact do care about such things. Don't worry thought, I will buy an extra copy of their games because I do think it is important. QFT I am also not sick of SJ discussions and I still care very much about them....people just make a mountain out of molehill when it comes to most SJ causes You guys have no idea how long I have actively been involved in supporting various SJ causes and most of the time the outrage and venting opposed to SJ endeavors is just not warranted or is completely exaggerated Its like a knee-jerk reaction

What's the real difference anyways? Anarcho-Capitalist is pretty much Neo-feudalism. No, it isn't. Neo-feudalism is pretty much what we've got going on in much of the western world right now. Semantics Vals ....semantics Why do you folk who live in first world countries always try to discombobulate issues? You do realize that you don't have to address the fallout from these types of debates? Now I will have to deal with people who will say things like " the reason I haven't achieved economic emancipation is because we are living in a Neo-Feudalistic society" Not that anyone, including myself, knows what that even means and how applicable it is to a lack of social transformation

Unacceptable !!!! Banned from the forums immediately You beat me to it General. Ever vigilant as always. Perhaps we should be lenient. He has in good faith admitted his transgression to us. Agreed, we need to show understanding in this matter because he admitted he has a problem...of course empires have been destroyed for similar comments but we are more reasonable

Unacceptable !!!! Banned from the forums immediately

Sorry to break it to ya Bruce but currently the biggest global threats are US, NATO and Saudi-backed ISIS. Not Iran. Not Assad. Not North Korea. Not even Russia or China who tend to mind their own business. Oh don't misunderstand me, I don't think the likes of ISIS are a global threat but that doesn't mean they aren't a very disruptive force to the Middle East and other regions And a real sectarian conflict between Sunnis and Shia, which is what ISIS wants, in the Middle East would have serious consequence for the whole world because of the impact to the oil supply..prices would skyrocket this alone should be reason enough that ISIS needs to be defeated But once again we are on opposite sides of the types of comments that say things like " Russia minds its own business" . This is patently untrue, there annexing of regions in Georgia and Ukraine clearly dispute this view. In fact they have demonstrated a very imperialistic and jingoistic attitude in recent years ....so Russia is doing many things but minding there own business is not one of them