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Indeed. Much as I loved Midwinter II back in the day it doesn't really hold up anymore. Going back to older games I've loved there is always a shock due to how old they look, but eventually I just forget about it. The same isn't true of older games I've never played before, so there is obviously a nostalgia factor there. It depends more on the particular game than how old it is, early 3D stuff (like Midwinter II) can be pretty bad.

I also disagree on this. Then we are in agreement. Good day to you sir.

How constructive of you!

Indeed. I shall give you a shiny gold coin is exchange for it.

A Sierra fan I see. I was more of a Lucasfilm fan. Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis The Secret of Monkey Island: Lechuck's Revenge The Secret of Monkey Island Gabriel Knight 1: Sins of the Father Labyrinth* * Mostly nostalgia. My first ever adventure game. And now that I'm all nostalgic, I also must mention the Amiga game Elf. It's combination of adventure game and platformer was the greatest thing ever, or at least I thought it was at the time.

No of course it wouldn't. One less person in the world doesn't make it a better place. It might feel better, but the feeling is temporary and it isn't true anyway.

I know the initial Half-Life 2 video with Kleiner commenting on your knocking stuff around was presented as an example of the AI in the game, but it was actually scripted, being an example of what they were aiming for. I have no reason to believe the Oblivion video was scripted. I mean it featured a woman setting fire to her dog. If they were going to lie about it they would have set up something less stupid. You mean like the way Obsidian shows the same "entering the embassy" and "dealing with the arms dealer" sequences? This is business as usual. It's like when actors do the rounds on talk shows promoting their latest movie and the same clip gets shown over and over. You don't put together different promotional packages for everyone you talk to. If you show every journo a new example, you're giving too much of the game away. If you just load the game up at any random point you risk showing off something that isn't particularly interesting, or perhaps something you don't want to be revealed before players experience it themselves. And of course there's the problem of "RPG elements" meaning different things to different people. They've shown the stats screen after all, that's enough! Besides, this is the type of stuff that isn't easily shown off in a brief promotional video. How do you show in a video that there are no longer traits and you get a perk at every level? A whole lot easier to talk about it, which they do.

It wasn't fake. It's pretty common knowledge that the so-called "radiant" ai was toned down to stop to stop stupid **** like people setting fire to their dogs or killing their neighbour for a shovel form happening. From the developers point of view the ai was a big deal because it was a huge step up from their previous games, but for the gamer it really doesn't offer much that they couldn't get from scripted routines. Except maybe feeding people poison apples. AI that isn't nearly as impressive as it sounds into unique to Bethesda. In fact it's the norm. What "blockout"? There are numerous previews and interviews, and now hands on such as the one Moatilliatta linked to. Information doesn't count unless it's in videos or screenshots? Is Obsidian "blocking out" gamers because they've haven't released screenshots or video of RPG elements, despite the fact that they've discussed them in interviews and shown them to journalists, just like Bethesda? Of course that comparison isn't entirely fair, as Obs has plenty of time to release RPG footage (whatever that entails), while F3 is almost ready for release. But then I never claimed that Todd Howard was anything but a ****ty salesman, but Bethesda isn't doing anything unique or unusual in how they are are promoting the game.

And how is that justice for his victims who are dead? Um, isn't the fact that he's in prison justice, or do you really mean vengeance? That feeling that the world is a better place because a bad guy is dead?

It isn't comparisons that are the issue, it's pointing out differences to prove that F3 "isn't Fallout" while ignoring similarities.

See, now you get it, you're making generalizations too! All's right with the world. Anyway, I'm going to bed.

We aren't having a private conversation, this is a public forum. We (anyone in this thread) are talking about the third (fifth) game in a series, so other games in the series are relevant. We haven't seen any shots at night, do you also assume that it'll always be day in the game? Have we we even seen any shots of female characters? Obviously Fallout 3 is going to be goofy humor and exploding bodies and nuclear explosions and days without nights and a world of only men. You're free to make whatever assumption you like, but that doesn't stop those assumptions being far sillier than any teddy bear gun. Of course they are relevant, this game is part of a serious. Before you said "I focused on it, bceucase Pete Hines focused on it." If it's not important why even bring it up? Is it really necessary to discuss every single thing that Pete Hines ever says about the game? Using your own logic we shouldn't even assume that there are many beards in the game, after all they weren't shown in the video, we haven't seen them with our own eyes. Why talk about Hines mentioning beards when you can talk about Hines discussing your actions having consequences? Anyone with basic comprehension skills can tell you that not everything in a conversation should be given equal weight. For example I could mention now that I like pie and I'd like to think I'd be right in assuming you won't think that my liking pie is the focus of this post. Then again maybe me and Pete are giving people too much credit. Or maybe folks just like to pick bits out of interviews and previews that appear to validate their own views.

Promotional material focusing on style rather than substance is nothing new. When you see trailers for summer blockbuster movies do you wonder why they focus more on action than character development? Do you think everyone who watches movie trailers also has a subscription to Empire? An RPG generally requires more from the player than a simple action action, a greater investment of time and energy. It's really not a crazy assumption to think that RPG fans might like to dig a little deeper for info on their favourite genre. There is nothing wrong with taking a "wait and see" attitude, but when you only do that with anything that sounds good, while assuming anything that sounds bad is the absolute truth and representative of the game as a whole, then it's obvious you've already made your choice.

Whatever gets your knickers in a knot. Sounds like a boring weapon to me that I probably won't bother using. I have more of an issue with Fallout 2 featuring both imaginary generic weapons and specific real life weapons. One or the other please. I also don't try to claim it's anything more than a personal gripe. So it's either "everything in this game is serious" or "everything in this game is silly"? Basically you've decided that Fallout 3 is a silly game that shouldn't be taken seriously because it includes a launcher uses junk as ammunition. As long as that's in the game nothing else matters, and you want Howard to "admit" this so you can be proven right and give yourself a pat on the back. Because funnily enough stuff you might fun silly or humorous isn't the focus of the game, just like the previous Fallouts! Since when does mentioning something equal focusing on it? Please provide a link to the interview he gave in which beards was the focus. Now you definitely shouldn't read that interview I linked because at some point Pete mentions humour. He also talks quite a bit about achievements. You heard it here folks, Fallout 3 is going to be all about achievements and everything in the game is going to revolve around collecting them. Todd Howard should just come out and admit it.

How often do videos for RPGs show off actual "RPG elements"? I remember when the reaction to the Vampire Bloodlines video on the Interplay forums was "oh, it's an FPS". I think it's more a case of use the video to sell the game to shooty blam blam fans, and the expectation that RPG fans, rightly or wrongly might be willing to dig a little deeper for info, like, say, read the interview I linked to earlier. Sure, you can still dismiss it all as lies or whatever, but the info is there.

It's just another weapon. It's not a "crappy design issue", it's just something you don't like. See: Pop's post. Fixed. Actually I do think Howard is pretty bad at showing off games, but then you're pretty bad when it comes to what to focus on, so it all evens out. See: beards. Read that interview I linked to. No, on second thought, don't bother, becauseanything that sounds remotely positive probably isn't true anyway. Obviously.

No one claimed that No, but they are focusing on it to a ridiculous degree. Any preview that is at all positive is accused of being nothing more than a copy of the press release, and any silly thing is focused on as being a major part of the game. People decided they didn't like the game a long time ago, and now they're simply looking for evidence to justify their position. As far as silly nonsense in the Fallout games is concerned, this ranks pretty low. Of course I've no doubt when you make mention of the "Fallout universe" you're not including the stuff you don't like. As for a gravity gun clone, that doesn't even make any sense. It doesn't allow you to move objects around, it's a rocket launcher that uses junk as ammunition.

That doesn't even make any sense. The people constantly complaining about Fallout 3 being "Oblivion with Guns" have forgotten about Oblivion? You contradict yourself by the very fact that you are talking about it. There is a launcher weapon in the game that apparently allows you to use the junk you find as ammunition. In one of the demonstration videos even Todd mentions that launching teddy bears is pretty ridiculous. Do you really think this is an important part of Fallout 3, and an example of what the game is all about, or are you just looking for stuff to complain about?

http://www.strategyinformer.com/pc/fallout3/interview.html

I had a 4 light red ring once. The av cable wasn't plugged in properly. Nervewracking stuff.

When it comes to 2D graphics, I prefer hand drawn stuff to the prerendered 3D of the IE games.

I don't know about strengths but the appeal was the same as the rest of the ES games, as well as games like Gothic or Boiling Point - I'm a sucker for open world RPG exploration type stuff. Actually even Todd Howard said that shooting teddy bears was pretty ridiculous. WINNER. Is there a fine line between constructive criticism and whining like a baby, or is it a grand canyon? Anyway, I didn't think mkreku was complaining about people being only negative, rather that it's the usual suspects posting the same thing over and over. Posts like Jaesuns seem only to be about proving that Fallout 3 is horrible. It's the whole anti-fan thing. They're as bad as the "omg this is the greatest game ever" crowd. Respect isn't given to those who aren't respectful to begin with. Those whose initial reaction to the news of Bethesda buying the franchise was, and remains "beth sucks fallout is doomed" ain't worthy of respect.

SO I assume you played Oblivion. And Loved it. A Fallout 3 MOD... would be "Fun"? *SMOOTCH* I enjoyed Oblivion well enough. Just the other day I finished Fallout 2 for the first time, and I enjoyed it well enough too. Neither game makes a huge impression on me. I'm looking forward to Bethesdas take on Fallout, and I have no doubt I'll enjoy it well enough too.

I hope the game is delayed to 2020. Guaranteed to be awesome that way.