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I think that's a good point. The only thing I can come up with is that perhaps the Jedi are really *too* weak, and that except for a great master whom we'd encounter towards the end of the game (why not the WHC?), we don't really get to fight any powerful Jedi at all.

The most recent Sion identity thread suggests a number of interesting speculations who the Sith Lords may be (which in turn imply other things to the obsessed mind who can't help making up TSL plots for himself). Let's assume that Sion is indeed 'King Ommin'; OR, that Sion is modeled after him. That is: A former Dark Side sorcerer who suffered a terrible trauma, and in overcoming the affliction, grew stronger than he hoped to become. This much at least is pretty much in tune with what we see on the official site. Now: This answers the question, at least for one Sith Lord, concerning 'what the Sith Lords were duing during Malak's reign'. Sion was busy advancing his mastery of the Dark Side. By sheer power of will, he was so successful that he not only managed to get himself upright, but also became strong enough to be considered a Sith Lord. He proceeded to inquire what had happened during the time he spent 'recuperating', and found out that powerful Sith Lords had either: -(Kotor LS ending) taken advantage of a weakened republic, to destroy the Jedi, and cripple the republic -(Kotor DS ending) somehow sent Revan into exile, and pursued attacking the republic and the Jedi themselves [more about this below] Now [and this was brought up long ago by I think Dark Wanderer]: It has been mentioned by the devs. that we meet Sion a number of times throughout the game. The first, presumably, is when the main character has not yet attained enough power to kill Sion ---so why, one wonders, during that encounter, he doesn't kill us? Keeping in mind the latest speculations on Sion, the answer could be that being a 'minor Sith Lord' yet -just out of the hospital-; *Sion is seeking an apprentice* to bring down the other Sith Lords. So he's got plans of his own, and once he becomes aware of our (i.e. another emerging, promising force-user) presence, he tries to trick us into the Dark Side to become his right hand. This explains why he doesn't kill the main character on the first encounter; and why we get to meet him more than once: He's trying to convince us. And: Having a hand in the political strife on Onderon, he could be trying to establish a school of his own (the shoulder-robed guys), again to fight both the other Sith Lords, and the remains of the Republic, with the additional help he would get from his new 'academy' -or at least, band of strong followers. So, here are the Sith Lords: Darth X: The masked guy. This one is the strongest; so much that his initial plans were to let the upstart Malak destroy the republic with his 'toy', the Star Forge, and only then to wipe out Malak, to become the master of a Jedi-less galaxy. He could not foresee, that Revan was indeed alive, though. As soon as Malak was out of the way, he attacked: Revan countered the attack, but mysteriously, he became lost during the conflict. (Works with both Kotor endings) Darth X was thus not only 'weakened' by Revan, but he now had competing Sith Lords to deal with as well. Darth Y: This could be anything. The former apprentice to the masked guy who declared independence? A powerful Dark Jedi? A 'freelance' Sith Lord like the others? Master of a special sort of Magic which makes him invincible, though he may not be the greatest of Sith, whatever.... Darth Y(s) took advantage of the power vacuum after the fall of Malak, and stepped on the scene. Darth Sion: The minor Sith Lord, who was out of the whole thing for quite a while; he's trying to catch up with the other guys. He's the most sinister one and works in secret. He needs either to have a strong apprentice, or to have an army. He approaches the main character, with the intention of taking him on as apprentice. His covert activities on Onderon (remember the latest Game Spot interview which does mention that we meet Sion in some underground realm on Onderon) are also directed towards a similar end.

I completely agree; besides, 'knowing' only this bit about Sion doesn't reveal the slightest bit about the TSL story -so it is not a major spoiler. We already knew that he had a connection with Onderon, and possibly with the political strife there, because the latest Game Spot preview mentions the main character meeting Sion inside some underground realm on Onderon. Now it *could* be a spoiler of some sort, *while playing the game*: Meaning that 'knowing' who he really is could rob away the surprise element in a certain encounter, or inside a dialogue -but that's not what bugs me. What I find odd, is that while there have emerged, thanks to Sirius's discovery, an undeniable connection between this comics character and Sion, it still seems to me a far-fetched idea that there should be established *this* sort of a continuity between the comics and the games. Not that I know the comics, but because as I understand reading this forum, there exist different 'planes of continuity' as it were, in SW; and the merging of two such different platforms does appear quite unusual. Perhaps with the Kotor series, SW games will become a properly integrated part of the EU, 'historically'; or, this is indeed a 'coincidence' ---but then, explaining away the similarities that way, what is being committed is the exact opposite of trying to establish a seamless continuity. Kotor, in all its originality, did pay a significant tribute to early comics characters.

yes; and you thought Kermit was avoiding her. To escape the wrath of Jim Henson, they took the fruit of their forbidden love to the Dagobah system; that's where Lucas found him.

If LA and Obsidian insist in not releasing new stuff, fans will start discovering things themselves. I think this is a *very* convincing discovery; it may be that all this is irrelevant to Sion -nevertheless it's perfectly feasible that it is.

thanks again for the pic. which reminds me: Did anyone else get disillusioned by the DS ending of Kotor, in that while I was waiting for Revan to 'address' a crowd as insanely out of proportion as in the pic. above, all that was revealed was a scene reminiscent rather of the ending of Enter the Dragon. Or perhaps more accurately, like Revan looking outide his balcony with fans screaming at his doorstep

thanks someone on the dvd page on amazon was referring to the final scene where Han Solo and Luke receive their medals, is that right? That would be quite weird... If there were a proper videotheque around I could find out myself, but... anyway

Does anybody know anything concrete about references to the infamous Nazi propoganda film 'The Power of the Will' (a stinking propoganda which seems to have been so well filmed that it has influenced many filmmakers) inside Star Wars?

thanks for the very interesting info. another Nazi reference which I think is obvious is Vader's Helmet

exactly- and doesn't Frank Oz also provide the voice for Ms. Piggy? Q.E.D.: Yoda is the illegitimate child of Kermit and Piggy

Re: the trailer there you go: The same guy *could* be doing an in-game voice as well.....I hope not, though

The trailer sure looked great, no one's denying that -but compare it to the final trailer for Kotor; by comparison it appears rather flat. and the voice acting was sub-standard: *It has been confirmed that the voice on the trailer IS NOT featured on the game proper*

well no one's asking for spoilers; there's no way Obsidian is going to release any either -so there's no problem spoiling any surprises through website updates. Being Kotor freaks, under the grip of a deadly curiousity, people need stuff to feed their imagination, that's all.....

seconded exactly (thought maybe it could be on the spoiler side to reveal if she's an apprentice or not) Actually I want it to remain a *surprise*, who's making cameo appearances. It'll be far more exciting that way, to actually meet the characters. It would also be great to have a more 'cinematic' trailer to appear, after a while

if it will be an early dec. release; then there can be at most 7 of those 2-week updates. Considering that on the average two new features will be introduced each time (NPCs, other chars., planets, maybe new vehicles, weapons etc.) then that's certainly not too much. I also expect one or two more trailers before the release. Time to start the regular updates.

Epics could feature grand feasts though I have a very original idea: We're invited to a dinner -party members and all- but as soon as the dinner hall doors open, a Sith Lord confro..... err.... never mind...

I arrived at Kotor quite late; what sort of things were they revealing before the first game was released? Before the actual release, how much did people 'know'?

I just want to know the ending of the game; nothing more, just the ending. Why are they sparing us of that?

Yo'r Necksth ForteeHour'ss

All eternity Nothing beats figs; even the fat juicy Dates of Tatooine (why don't we ever see date trees on Tatooine? Isn't it supposed to be the semitic-arabic outpost of Star Wars? It's even filmed on Tunisia; known for its fine Dates.)

Khot'orr Friik

you won't be able to pimp your ride either

don't worry it's pointless anyway Imagine this as a virtual demonstration: We are the Fans who have chained themselves at the gates of Obsidian Our chains are made of irrational Kotor adoration Some of us lose themselves in an Orphic frenzy; dancing around Obsidian headquarters, chanting at the same time: the Masked Guy...W.H.C...other NPCs.... They will not be settled until *substantial* new info. is released. Mind you No one's asking for spoilers here. It's 4 months left and the hype dosage can be increased.

THIS IS SUPPOSED TO BE *THE* POINTLESS THREAD! Do your masked guy speculations elsewhere (perhaps after all I should become a footman at Matale's)

and it looks *GREAT* One of the most important revelations of the walkthrough trailer