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I've already posted this like 3 times but it's worth doing it again since it's hilarious: the name 'Malak' means a 'Water Buffalo Calf' in Turkish. It has a number of uses in slang, usually used synonimously with 'Nerd' 'Dork' 'Jerk', etc. The name has also made its way into a term denoting a copulation-position.

Have they also just made up the names of the other characters?

Which is another possible storyline. Though this sounds a little problematic: He's no mere 'assassin' to come after us himself: Malak too was tirelessly hunting our team in Kotor, but he kept sending assassins after us. And if a powerful Sith Lord himself is pursuing, a budding (!) level 8 character, then probably he would find and finish him easily. Yes I guess for a LS character it could be; perhaps at the end he's saved, returns to the light, cured, etc. the LS character having forgiven him for all his transgressions throughout the game. Sort of like Batman helping Joker get cured.

Does the name Juhani have a meaning?

a question about the theme of Jedi Ghosts: Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't Yoda consider it something extraordinary when he heard Qui-Gon's voice in AotC? --That was because hitherto all Jedi, when they died, had become 'one with the force'; that a Jedi didn't, and remained a ghost of some sort was the harbinger of a major upheaval of the Force. So later on, Obi-Wan and Yoda, then Anakin, appeared as ghosts not because good Jedi always did, but on the contrary, because the Force still was in a disturbed state. I *believe* in the Zahn novels concerning the Episode 7-9 events, Obi-Wan becomes 'one with the force' as well, and can't visit Luke as a ghost anymore. Now there are two ways to interpret the bit on the designer diaries concerning the ruins echoing with the ghosts of Jedi: -The Force is in as great a disturbance as it is during the Classic Trilogy, or -Gallo's statement is metaphorical I personally wouldn't want to see in this game, as literal a parallelism with the movies. Things like Zaalbar=Chewie / Star Forge=Death Star etc. etc. were nice details but an Old Ben ghost could be too much. ...by the way, this is really FAR OFF, but the way the WHC is depicted on the concept art, with the white light emanating from her, etc. -maybe she is a ghost *of some sort*. Maybe the reason we haven't seen any in-game shots of her is that her being a ghost-like character would be revelaed, which would be a huge spoiler.

you mean what the post is trying to say? It is a parody of that interrogation mini-side-quest on Dantooine which almost made me a Sith Lord; I did not like it the least bit -just as I had become a Jedi, playing around with my lightsaber on the fields, this Twilek interrupts and I'm stuck between three people for 15 minutes, losing all sense of time I was immersed in until then.

Don't worry; I have a story about mistreatment on the forums: The sons of the Obsidian Forum had been awaiting the One for millenia. He would visit the forum to make the most brilliant posts: His Speculations were to prove more interesting than the game; his Polls and Suggestions were to soothe the barren souls of members, who came to the forums, and left empty handed, day in, day out.... There emerged a Forum Member one day; he made speculations, and was humiliated; he opened polls, and those were ridiculed. His threads were banned, his topics ignored. After one last post where he finally nailed the Kotor 2 plot, he was banned. ....and that was only the beginnings of his prodigious legacy; for who do you think gamers met at the TSL final scene? Darth Matale....

Marvellous! Greek television after the match: Reporter: (intervieving each player as he appears at the end of the tunnel) Epicurus! Mr. Epicurus congratulations can we hear your comments? Epicurus: Well, I did not pay much attention, you see...I could have got injured, or we could have lost the game and I would have become distressed. So I cultivated myself a little garden around the corner flag. It was really pleasurable. Reporter: errr... thanks Mr. Epicurus. I see Mr. Kant approaching. Herr Kant, your comments please Kant: (furious) Comments, hah! Ask that to Mr. Confucius. He legislated for himself rules that, insofar as they were partial towards that side to which we were opposed, were unjust in that the whistle which, as it.... Reporter: I'm not sure if our viewers are able to follow you, Herr Kant Kant: Is that so? That captain of theirs blew fire in my face, crippling my transcendental unity of apperception! I perceived the field as a hexagon, and the game appeared slow motion to me! What more do you ask! That linesmen to Mr. Confucius... Aquinas, he never saw the offsides for Aristotle, his buddy! Never rely on those saints, I tell you... Reporter: Thanks Herr Kant. Now I see the scorer for the Greek side, Mr. Socrates. So you've won the game... Socrates: an accurate observation you have made, but tell me first, who is a soccer player? Reporter: I suppose one who plays with a soccer ball Socrates: My dear reporter; the marketplace of Athens abounds in balls of all sizes, which, if you have the money of course, you can buy and start playing with. and indeed small children play with a small ball in their cradle. I suppose we ought to include them as well, among soccer players. Reporter: No, I see that I've been talking nonsense, Socrates. Socrates: So there ought to be something else, which makes a soccer player Reporter: Yes, Socrates Socrates: Is soccer a game the player plays by himself? Reporter: No, you need to have a team Socrates: and does a team play within itself, or seek another team to play with? Reporter: Another team Socrates: Now, Reporter; tell me: Why do people come together in teams, and play against one another? Reporter: That

It need not be so strictly banned; I think what they emphasize is that there are no 'dreams' and 'flashbacks' of recovered memories -because there's no memory wipe/loss this time. Perhaps there are one or two pre-rendered OR rendered (like [new] Revan's training at the academy) movies that do explain things; but on the whole I think he'll be mainly *told* what had been happening.

-No, there is another Click this and open it will...

1- The Jedi order is in dispute whether to increase the number of officially approved Lightsaber Colors, and to introduce Flowing Robes. The dispute grows into Civil War. Thousands of Jedi slaughter one another. The champion of the Many Colors Faction emerges victorious; their leader: the former Jedi, Darth Rainbowsaber declares himself Lord of the Sith. 2- Revan, the new captain of the Star Forge, promenades along the halls of the Rakatan Factory. He sees a BIG RED BUTTON on one of the control panels and hits it; instantly the nukes fire, headed towards Coruscant. The Radar operator on Coruscant sees the nukes, hits their own RIG RED BUTTON. 3- With the support and encouragement of some dark forces which they couldn

Still that would take place more than halfway into the game. Anyway, *if* we 'have' apprentices; then I'm sure Avellone found a way to make it work seamlessly. Now what could Akari have meant below? Anyone have an idea? Why the ' B) '? Does it mean: B) = Sure, it's obvious, so it's no speculation or B) = Keep dreamin; you *become* apprentices, fools! So you think you'll have apprentices, huh? That's interesting speculation. B) -Akari

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It's amazing how much time and effort goes into these speculations; I bet it is rather gratifying for the devs. that so many people not just enjoy their creations, but are also devoted to it!

Sending off an apprentice to investigate something sure sounds great; but a party member can do it just as efficiently (if not better; since he'd be at a higher level, than the apprentice) -and there have been hints so far, as to sub-groups of the whole crew, doing things simultaneously. One interesting option that being an apprentice could present, is that it seems more probably that way, to instigate a war among the Sith: Just as an example; we could be the apprentice to a Sith Lord, yet playing two-sided, or just plain betraying our master, we could contact other Sith Lords, and have them attack one another. There are problems with all these apprentice fantasies, though! The foremost being that, ahem, we're making them up, and we don't know much (?!) about the story yes that is a problem. It could be that the plot 'forces' you to become either the apprentice of Sion, or a jedi master (my favorite: WHC) That would do away with the problem of inflated variables -but then, some gamers wouldn't like being compelled to join a Sith Lord, or Jedi Master, over and over on each replay. (Though no one got fed up last time, with the plot twisting over and over) This assumes of course that we're 'becoming' the apprentice -based again on what the devs. said earlier, that the master-apprentice theme is somehow worked in this game; I can't imagine how 'having' one could work. You start a level 1 char. yourself. At what level do you take on the apprentice? To what level *can* you train him? How well can you attend to him, and what sort of a teacher-pupil relation can it be, while the game is heating up and you have little time to give lectures. Why would you want to have a level 6 character in your team when you're level 18, etc. Now it could be the case that the game explores the master-apprentice relationship without us becoming masters or apprentices: It could involve the rescue of a master; the redemption of the master or apprentice; the elimination of a master (DS), etc. Countless variations can be thought, over these motives, and in connection to the characters.

that's what happens when forum posting becomes an IRC session

I don't think the republic will subscribe to the Bush-Mussolini doctrine, namely that which prescribes: "You're either with us; or you're our enemies" They could, though

Agreed, but you're overlooking the fact that if you're LS, then the republic and the remaining Jedi are your allies by default. That's what was meant in saying that the non-ally DS option is 'more difficult', compared to the LS

When it *is* different, is when the main character doesn't team up with Sion, as a DS player. That's what GhostofAnakin meant in the second post, I believe. That would make this DS-playing option more difficult with an additional enemy, Sion.

United Sith Lords almost sounds like an oxymoron! --but we cannot know of course how Avellone treats the theme.....

I think what needs to be considered is, given the 'theory' of this Topic, the possibility of rejecting Sion's offer as a DS character. OR, the possibility that my apprentice theory is just crap : ) Then, the balance alters

Strangely plausible.....perhaps it does explain Revan's fate....

It seems the mere talk of fascism generates an Iron Fist everywhere

What I 'made up' above was that the Masked Guy and Revan fight right after Kotor. It explains the 'exile' for both the LS and the DS Revan. If LS, then he fought to defend the republic; got badly injured, or something else happened, and he had to go to a remote system. If DS, then obviously he fought for his own 'empire'. It could be that later on in the game, we meet Revan, to learn about our deadliest foe, the Masked Guy. The theory also explains why an 'uber-powerful' Sith Lord has rivals: It is because the fight with Revan weakened him.