Jediphile

Uhm, as far as I know there already is a wookiee in the EU...

Hah, he doesn't seem tough enough somehow, at least not anymore. I'd rather have Vin Diesel as Canderous if we don't want him as Malak - yes, I know he's bald, but just put a wig on him - if they could all wear wigs in Lord of the Rings, then it can happen for one character here.

Yeah... But when I "jedify" him on Nar Shaddaa, he instantly becomes powerful - when those two twi'lek sisters try prey on him, they get cut to pieces in seconds - "You want a fight? Come taste daddy's doublebladed lightsaber..." :D

Jedi jawas? Great... I guess next we'll have jedi gungans... Or even jedi ewoks "

You already lost me here... I did read the rest, but it didn't change anything for me. Oh, and this topic will undoubtedly be closed shortly - the KotOR3 suggestions topic is there for a reason.

This one I really like. Norton's one of the most versatile and talented actors out there, and he just looks right for the role. I just see him telling the Exile about his past. Good call! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'd rather see Norton as Revan or Exile. I'd agree with those who want Nicky Katt as Atton - Atton simply *is* Nicky Katt.

Yes, but that was because they were ordered to change course to Telos by the Admiral (whether it's Onasi or Cede), not because the Exile wanted to go there. You sure about that? I've gotten pretty high influence with HK-47 and gained the bonus from learning how to kill jedi, and I never heard anything like that...

I never allow any of my jedi-potential-companions until they've become jedi (which means that Atton is level 3 for a *long* time...). Oh, and as others have said, you cannot withhold levels until your prestige class, because achieving the prestige is a function of your level - whenever you reach level 15 (no matter where you are) you can talk to Kreia and switch on the spot. I always keep Kreia around partially for this reason and partially because her Mentor ability gives more xp.

Onderon docing authority: "Welcome to Iziz. May I see your Starport Visa?" Exile [heavy mexican accent]: "Visa? We don't need no stinking Visa!"

I like that one too (the art is great at times) and it's set rather closer to the KotOR era, though you won't notice that (just 25 years before the Mandalorian Wars). The problem with Redemption, however, is that it makes no difference - it's just an epilogue that ties up some things. That doesn't mean it's bad, in fact I find it's a very good story, but even so nothing happens in it that in any way has an effect on the KotOR games. So for reference material, you definitely want to go with the earlier books. You'll want to read it for closure to Ulic and Nomi and perhaps Vima, but it has no impact of relevance to KotOR.

No, just to find the starmaps, since they only he could do that. Finding the StarForge became inevitable after the attack on the Enclave on Dantooine. True, but then K2 also insists on referring to the Exile as "him" or "he" in a few cases, even if you chose to be female, so I'd throw that in with other bugs of K2. And either way, Vandar was still declared dead... Bastila was not the council, and we met all the other surviving members on the council, even if they were in hiding. Surely Atris would have known about Vandar's whereabouts if she knew about all the others. Still on mine, but I'll respectfully disagree and leave it at that. I think the problem here is that you're talking about what the d20 rules tell us, while I'm talking about what the characters are defined as in the plot. While the two are not entirely unrelated, the game mechanic does reset levels now and then to fit game balance. Revan's level was lowered due to his injuries and memory (and jedi manipulation), while Exile's was lowered because he lost the connection to the force. Bastila was in the task force because she knew Battle Meditation, not because she was highly experienced. Don't forget how it's pointed out again and again in K1 just how rare and important that makes her - Malak even destroys Taris just to get rid of her! Vandar, however, is (was) a jedi master and he was so plotwise. That's significant because while the plot rarely reflects the rules of the game, the reverse is not the case - the gamerules must always reflect the plot in KotOR games. Jedi masters or sith lords are never be low level, for example, but always 15+. Yes, I don't like it either - it's "silly d20 stupid logic"-time, but KotOR is d20, so we're stuck with it. I'd go for another system in a second, if they asked us. Nothing wrong with that - I pinch characters from wherever in my RPGs, but I always make certain to give them an edge or quality that clearly separates from the source, so that the players won't make the connection in a second, and usually I change them so much, that they are barely recognizable from the source.

Some of them doubtlessly do out of some misguided elistist and arrogant intent to be "sophisticated", but there could also be legal reasons. After all, all RPG systems try to emulate aspects of reality in a compelling way, and since reality is pretty fixed, that means they'll all be similar. However, if one game is exactly like another, it will probably lead to legal battles - just look what TSR did to Gygax's Dangerous Journeys... "

Maybe it's like the Klingons in Star Trek... [Ducks for cover]

And he wasn't originally?

I guess you could argue it on the basis of the Mandalorians being known, but them representing a threat to the Republic was not... But I'd agree it's far more likely that the comment is based simply on an oversight by whoever wrote that bit of the story. And all Mandalorians are humans as far as I know - they're just warmongering, conquering, savage, imperialistic humans...

Actually the "Freedon Nadd Uprising" story was covered in only two comic books...

Good points. I guess the Exile is going to Telos because once he was on the Harbinger, it really wasn't his choice anymore. It's the part about why he was going back to the Republic at all that bugs me... Good points about Kreia. It may be that since Revan came to see her before going to the unknown regions, she found out about Bastila's secret orders to T3 (which appears both in DS and LS with slight differences), or maybe even Revan found out about it and told Kreia. When the information about the Exile was then leaked, making the Sith and the Exchange aware of his existence, Kreia might have come seeking for him to prevent him from being captured by either side. Maybe Revan even asked her to, and it's even possible that she planned her whole vengeance against the Force at that point - it seems Revan was far more aware of the Exile's condition and significance to the Force than the Exile was. If Kreia knew of Bastila's message, she might also have looked for the Ebon Hawk, knowing full well that T3 would be looking for the Exile. I wonder when HK-47 was damaged, though... He seems to have lost all memory of the events of K1, except for his - ahem - dismissive comments about certain crewmembers of the Ebon Hawk... " :D

It's just a simpler mechanic and so more convenient. I might embrace the "roll and count" mechanic of WoD and similar if I saw any real point to it, but the thing is that I don't - there is no need for a game mechanic to be complex beyond giving the appearance of being "advanced". To me it's just like a game that insists it must be called cartography and arachnophobia when "map making" and "fear of spiders" or "Phobia: Spiders" are just as descriptive and more convenient.

Quoting Canderous from KotOR1:

While we all discuss the ending of K2, I still find that there are several things that aren't explained at the beginning of the game. They have been discussed before, but I never felt there were any good answers to them. Now, I know that the Exile is exposed as the last jedi, which is why the Sith and the Exchange is hunting for him, but... 1. Why is the Exile returning to the Republic? Clearly he is not being forced and has booked passage on the Harbinger voluntarily. A decade ago he left the jedi order and chose exile in the outer regions. Why is he coming back? He may be a pawn of a greater game, but he doesn't know that at the beginning of the game, so why did he choose to return? 2. Where did Kreia come from? She is unconscious, persumed dead, on the floor of the Ebon Hawk after it fled the Harbinger, but how did she get there? There is nothing to suggest she was a passenger on the Harbinger, in which case she might have been on the Sith warship or the Ebon Hawk. Given her ties to the Sith, you might assume that she was on the Sith warship, except that would have placed her together with Sion after she was cast out by Sion and Nihilus. And there is one clue that she might have been on the Ebon Hawk to begin with - during the prolugue T3 can find the locker key on her body. How would she have that if she was not one of the crew? But if she was part of the crew, does that mean she went to the unknown regions with Revan and then returned with T3? I doubt that, but then how does she get on board? 3. Who are all those people dead on the Ebon Hawk? There are bodies everywhere during the prologue, but they're never explained. Are they dead Sith invaders? They don't look much like it to me...

True. I once tried a plot based on an intended assassination of King Stefan of Karameikos in the Mystara setting. Normally such a thing would be done by marksman with a crossbow or something like that, only Stefan is a D&D fighter level 15+, so not even three crossbowmen can bring him down, which is just silly. Boromir was killed by three arrows, but it cannot happen in D&D "

The trouble I have with that is that we actually saw Vandar die in the dark side ending of K1. Yes, you can argue escape pod, but it didn't seem to me that there was time for it, and even if we assume it, he's right in the middle of a battle in Sith space... Looks like the end for Vandar in any event, at lest to me, and the point of Vandar being killed on Katarr, would appear to have been thrown in there to confirm that, yes, he's quite died, whether he was killed by Revan's deception or not. Besides, if he was still alive, then what was he doing during the crisis of K2? You could argue the same for the Sunriders, I guess, but then they were not on the council... This all sounds awfully similar to the whole Dantooine part of K1. I'd suggest you try to revise this bit to make it seem less like K1. Have smuggerls use the crystal cave as a base of operations and the PC track them there while investigating a crime or something like that. I'd even get rid of the cave if there is a viable alternative.

Quite true, but we still have no idea why that is. Yavin IV is also strong in the force, but that's because Naga Sadow built his temple there, and probably because Exar Kun made his base there as well. Yoda is on Dagobah 4000 years after the KotOR era, and a lot of stuff can happen in that time... It would really be a shame to place the academy there and then discover later that what caused the place to be strong in the dark side didn't happen until a few thousand years later... That was Revan's choice, and certainly not the choice of the jedi council. They didn't even want him to fight the Mandalorians, and note how Malak comments to Revan in the flashback cutscene on Dantooine that they will be expelled from the jedi order if they pursue their search for the starmaps. In ESB Luke went against the wishes of Yoda and Ben - they knew he wasn't ready, but he felt compelled to save his friends and went anyway. In ROTJ they sent him, but not because they were willing to take a risk as much as because they had no other choice - he was now trained as much as he could be. I'm fairly certain that Ziost is still unknown. After all, none of the Sith worlds were known when the Daragons found Korriban, and even though Empress Teta found her way into Sith space by following the fleeing Naga Sadow, she still did not let her fleet stay there any longer than necessary to bring down the remnants of the Sith fleets after the battle between the forces of Naga Sadow and Ludo Kressh. We don't even know which system this all took place in. However, it was unlikely to be Ziost, I think, and there is nothing to suggest that the fleet of Empress Teta retained any useful knowledge of Sith space and the locations of its worlds. It seems more likely to me that the Republic simply expanded to learn of more worlds in the meantime and that Sith worlds like Korriban and Malachor became known that way. And even so, Kreia says that these worlds are on the borders of the true Sith empire. Oh, and my plot didn't end on Ziost

Oh God! They promoted the green one! Duck for cover, everybody!!! :D Congrats to Fion and the rest

Orlando Bloom does acting now? DL <{POST_SNAPBACK}>