Jediphile

Don't worry about it. The game's plot is pretty linear, and this is one of the times it shows most. What happens next is supposed to happen. I finished the DS side recently and it did the exact same thing to me. I know it sounds all dimissive as if you'd done something wrong or said something wrong, but I pretty certain any answer will lead to that ending, and I know that Kreia will drain you leave you for dead no matter what you do. So just keep following the plot, and it'll all become clear (well, more or less...). You will understand at the end that Kreia will leave you no matter what at that point.

You're forgetting that I introduced replacment jedi "masters" at the beginning of the story in case the Exile's companions were all DS, in which case they would fight Nihilus. No, they won't have the same connection to the Exile, so the story will work better if Exile is set to LS, but I did take the DS optioin into consideration. Actually, Visas is a problem, because it's quite likely that she's dead - sacrificed during the battle with Nihilus in K2. If Exile is DS, I'll be assuming that Visas is quite dead because the Exile was quite willing to sacrifice her, and if Exile is LS, I'll be assuming that he was not prepared to sacrifice her as a pawn in a game for power. I really didn't use the Exile's companions in the DS Exile part of my plot at all. If Exile is DS, then I could do something with Atton, though. He could be the leader of the Sith following Revan on his base on Khar Shian, but for a really nasty twist, DS Atton could be the leader of the Sith assassins on Alderaan, and he could be the one who kills the new PC's master. But I digress... As others have said, the chances that any of these ideas - mine or anyone else's - will ever be used in a K3 are astronomical. I do think it's fun to speculate, though.

Well, I was wondering if the mods would close down their own thread over spamming. I guess they're unto us... :D

I agree that K2 was always intended to an open "Empire Strikes Back" sort of ending. I do not agree, however, that it has one. Where ESB did end open with several plots unresolved, it did tie off that part of the story. Compare that to the end of K2, where we have severel unfinished plots, such as: The Goto vs. Remote sequnce - what happened there? What happened to the Exile's friends - they all went *poof* once you hit Malachor... The Bao-Dur transmission could be taken as if he died. Did he? What happened to the Force Bond between the Exile and Kreia? They say it could be lethal to the other if one of them died, and yet she dies at the end with no explanation of how this is no problem to the Exile. This is all different from ESB in that it was clearly defined at the end of that story what had happened and what was yet unresolved. At the end of ESB I was thinking "gee, I wonder what happens next...". At the end of K2 it was more along the lines of "WTF?"

Yes, but I had them all as the would-be "masters" of the emerging "council" on Coruscant trying to rebuild the order, because Kreia said that they were the "lost jedi upon which the future will be founded". They wouldn't be rebuilding the order on Coruscant if they were all dark side, though. And I never put any of them as NPCs in the group, just as cameo appearances for LS Exile, because I needed them for a big revelation.

Maybe he went to the unknown regions to fight the true... No wait, damn... "

Yes, but note that those returns were all optional in my plot - if you set Revan to DS, for example, then you won't be meeting Jolee, because Revan killed him. Similarly, all of the Exile's companions will be replaced by other jedi if you chose for the Exile to be DS. And Carth can continue to be replaced by Admiral Cede. Mandalore will survive in any event, though he has little significance in the plot, and Hanharr I will assume to be alive in any event - if Exile was DS then he was a companion who survived, and if Exile was LS, then Mira refused to kill Hanharr on Malachor - just as K2 insists that LS Revan made Ajunta Pall's spirit on Korriban return to LS whether you actually succeeded in that task in K1 or not, and that was actually a hard result to achieve. True, I did put those characters in my plot, but I did write them as Carth is written in K2 - with a replacement in case of being dead. Besides, those characters are all dead only in one incarnation of the game, whereas we're told that Vandar is dead no matter which side you play or set Revan to. Also, those characters were not central to my plot - they were mostly just cameos or characters that did not stay in the group.

They just let you get the impression, but there are two points in the game, where it's more than implied. The first is when Mandalore talks with Kreia and mentions clan Ordo, and Kreia then mentions Revan and how Mandalore has ties to him, which leaves little doubt for those, who played the first game. It's completely revealed by Kreia's prophecies at the end, though. When the Exile asks about Mandalore, she replies, "Many battles does that one have left in him... as Revan intended. A general needs an army, as he needs those he trusts. And Canderous is a loyal beast, no matter how much he is broken upon Revan's will." So while Mandalore doesn't actually say it out loud, Kreia certainly does.

I didn't mean the age so much as the attitude. Kurt Russell used to have attitude that fit Canderous, when he played Snake Plissken in "Escape from New York", for example, but I don't think he has the attitude now. EDIT: If we need an aging Canderous, then why not Gene Hackman - he has attitude (just watch Crimson Tide)!

Uhm, as far as I know there already is a wookiee in the EU...

Hah, he doesn't seem tough enough somehow, at least not anymore. I'd rather have Vin Diesel as Canderous if we don't want him as Malak - yes, I know he's bald, but just put a wig on him - if they could all wear wigs in Lord of the Rings, then it can happen for one character here.

Yeah... But when I "jedify" him on Nar Shaddaa, he instantly becomes powerful - when those two twi'lek sisters try prey on him, they get cut to pieces in seconds - "You want a fight? Come taste daddy's doublebladed lightsaber..." :D

Jedi jawas? Great... I guess next we'll have jedi gungans... Or even jedi ewoks "

You already lost me here... I did read the rest, but it didn't change anything for me. Oh, and this topic will undoubtedly be closed shortly - the KotOR3 suggestions topic is there for a reason.

This one I really like. Norton's one of the most versatile and talented actors out there, and he just looks right for the role. I just see him telling the Exile about his past. Good call! <{POST_SNAPBACK}> I'd rather see Norton as Revan or Exile. I'd agree with those who want Nicky Katt as Atton - Atton simply *is* Nicky Katt.

Yes, but that was because they were ordered to change course to Telos by the Admiral (whether it's Onasi or Cede), not because the Exile wanted to go there. You sure about that? I've gotten pretty high influence with HK-47 and gained the bonus from learning how to kill jedi, and I never heard anything like that...

I never allow any of my jedi-potential-companions until they've become jedi (which means that Atton is level 3 for a *long* time...). Oh, and as others have said, you cannot withhold levels until your prestige class, because achieving the prestige is a function of your level - whenever you reach level 15 (no matter where you are) you can talk to Kreia and switch on the spot. I always keep Kreia around partially for this reason and partially because her Mentor ability gives more xp.

Onderon docing authority: "Welcome to Iziz. May I see your Starport Visa?" Exile [heavy mexican accent]: "Visa? We don't need no stinking Visa!"

I like that one too (the art is great at times) and it's set rather closer to the KotOR era, though you won't notice that (just 25 years before the Mandalorian Wars). The problem with Redemption, however, is that it makes no difference - it's just an epilogue that ties up some things. That doesn't mean it's bad, in fact I find it's a very good story, but even so nothing happens in it that in any way has an effect on the KotOR games. So for reference material, you definitely want to go with the earlier books. You'll want to read it for closure to Ulic and Nomi and perhaps Vima, but it has no impact of relevance to KotOR.

No, just to find the starmaps, since they only he could do that. Finding the StarForge became inevitable after the attack on the Enclave on Dantooine. True, but then K2 also insists on referring to the Exile as "him" or "he" in a few cases, even if you chose to be female, so I'd throw that in with other bugs of K2. And either way, Vandar was still declared dead... Bastila was not the council, and we met all the other surviving members on the council, even if they were in hiding. Surely Atris would have known about Vandar's whereabouts if she knew about all the others. Still on mine, but I'll respectfully disagree and leave it at that. I think the problem here is that you're talking about what the d20 rules tell us, while I'm talking about what the characters are defined as in the plot. While the two are not entirely unrelated, the game mechanic does reset levels now and then to fit game balance. Revan's level was lowered due to his injuries and memory (and jedi manipulation), while Exile's was lowered because he lost the connection to the force. Bastila was in the task force because she knew Battle Meditation, not because she was highly experienced. Don't forget how it's pointed out again and again in K1 just how rare and important that makes her - Malak even destroys Taris just to get rid of her! Vandar, however, is (was) a jedi master and he was so plotwise. That's significant because while the plot rarely reflects the rules of the game, the reverse is not the case - the gamerules must always reflect the plot in KotOR games. Jedi masters or sith lords are never be low level, for example, but always 15+. Yes, I don't like it either - it's "silly d20 stupid logic"-time, but KotOR is d20, so we're stuck with it. I'd go for another system in a second, if they asked us. Nothing wrong with that - I pinch characters from wherever in my RPGs, but I always make certain to give them an edge or quality that clearly separates from the source, so that the players won't make the connection in a second, and usually I change them so much, that they are barely recognizable from the source.

Some of them doubtlessly do out of some misguided elistist and arrogant intent to be "sophisticated", but there could also be legal reasons. After all, all RPG systems try to emulate aspects of reality in a compelling way, and since reality is pretty fixed, that means they'll all be similar. However, if one game is exactly like another, it will probably lead to legal battles - just look what TSR did to Gygax's Dangerous Journeys... "

Maybe it's like the Klingons in Star Trek... [Ducks for cover]

And he wasn't originally?

I guess you could argue it on the basis of the Mandalorians being known, but them representing a threat to the Republic was not... But I'd agree it's far more likely that the comment is based simply on an oversight by whoever wrote that bit of the story. And all Mandalorians are humans as far as I know - they're just warmongering, conquering, savage, imperialistic humans...

Actually the "Freedon Nadd Uprising" story was covered in only two comic books...