Jediphile

Believe me, I've played both LS male (setting Revan to LS male) and DS female (setting Revan to DS male), and after this topic I went back to examine this part in my savegames - Revan is completely unchanged in both, and there is always a DS version of yourself standing next to him when you enter. They are both highly DS, proabably with DS mastery, which you can see for yourself with Force Sight. So no, none of what you say earlier has any effect on this encounter. The only thing that changes depending on your choices in the game is, of course, the face and gender of DS vision of yourself standing next to Revan. But the Exile-vision is always DS, no mater what choices you make in the game.

Yes. And note what Kreia tells you about Nihilus in K2: Kreia: "It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves... it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes.It cannot be taught... it can only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects, first-hand." Is it just me, or does this sound remarkably similar to what we eventually discover happened to the Exile himself on Malachor V ?? Kreia: "Yes. And he fed upon its destruction - it will sustain him, for a time.Because it is not something that can ever truly be controlled... and it leaves nothing to conquer in its wake.And it rules him, not the other way around. It has its own will, its own instincts." Again, Nihilus is power without will, control, or intelligence. Nihilus is an instinct rather than an entity. He has no self. Kreia: "Power? Do you think so? You would be wrong. There is no strength in the hunger he possesses... and the will behind his power is a primal thing. And it devours him as he devours others - his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls." All the things that define an intelligence, an individual, are lost to Nihilus. They all went someplace else... "

or play AS a ysalmiri :ph34r: <{POST_SNAPBACK}> What? Speak clearly! A SALAMI? Why would an assassin have a salami in their back? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Field rations, you know... " :D

I've wonder how many times you've had to say that? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Yes, probably more than a few times... :"> Say, maybe it would be an idea for Team Gizka to put a notice on the Progress Report on their site about things like the droid planet that will not be restored at all for whatever reason. That way we could all stop by and see for ourselves instead of bugging you with these annoying questions. Just a thought.

Oh, we are so getting locked!!!!

Eww!! Now, why did you have to go and do that? I *really* don't need *that* image in my head! Or even how that might be Leia's line, if... NO! I really must stop that line of thought!!

Do I detect a SW quote? C3P0 in Cloud City? <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Okay, we both *seriously* need to play and talk less Star Wars...

OMFG0RZ! I H3ard A RUm0R A80u7 A RUm0R th4t G30rG3 luC42 1S m4K1N' A 74lK1n' S74R W4r2 G4m3zor !!11! [/bastila Skywalker] :D <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Wouldn't that be: OMFG0RZ! I H3ard A RUm0R A80u7 A RUm0R th4t G30rG3 luC42 1S m4K1N' A 74lK1n' K0t0rRzz0rz G4m3zor !!11! [/bastila Skywalker] <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Please stop that - I don't speak or understand Bocce! :D Where's goldenrod (3PO) when I need him...

If he wants something to talk back to him, then why doesn't he just get married again? :D Yes, my bad, ladies - I know that was a cheap shot and... what are you doing with that... No, please - NOOOOOOO!!!!!!

The Rakatan wouldn't know anything about the Sith empire. Remember just how long ago the "builders" were said to have created their empire. IIRC Bastila estimated it at more than 10.000 years, which is long, long before the foundation of the Republic, and the Sith empire is much younger than that, since it was founded by dark jedi expelled from the jedi order. By that time the Rakatan had long since lost their connection to the force and regressed. As for Revan, he didn't need to "feel" anything - he knew all along that the true Sith were out there. Kreia tells us that he sacrificed himself and the jedi who followed him in order to face the greater threat that he knew that the true Sith represented. It's also why he left strategically important installations intact and build the HK-50 droids to infiltrate the Republic at all levels - he needed an army to be ready when the time came. Not so much "a place on Malachor" as the entire war effort there. He staged the whole thing to either convert the jedi to follow him and embrace the dark side or else to die during the war. The corrupting effects of Malachor was one factor that contributed to this. It's true that the Star Forge has corrupting effects, but don't forget that Revan didn't find it until years later, and he needed his army before then. If we're talking a straight fight, then sure. But why would Revan do that? It's far more likely that he would try to recruit true Sith followers to his cause and then challenge the true Sith leaders for the mantle of the Dark Lord, thereby creating a civil war among the true Sith. At least, that's what I think we'll see he did during the years he was gone. Doesn't mean I'm right, though.

That's fine, but probably not in a game titled "Knights of the old Republic" :D

Jeepers - is this thread still alive? I thought we killed it ages ago. Not that I really mind... Nihilus would leave no survivors, and Kreia did not want to kill the galaxy, she just wanted the force dead. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Nihilus is a void. Note some of the things Kreia tells you about him, if you can get her to talk on the subject: "It is a technique that is almost as old as the Sith themselves... it is a means of severing connections between life, the Force, and feeding upon the death it causes.It cannot be taught... it can only be gained through instinct, through experiencing its effects, first-hand." "Yes. And he fed upon its destruction - it will sustain him, for a time.Because it is not something that can ever truly be controlled... and it leaves nothing to conquer in its wake.And it rules him, not the other way around. It has its own will, its own instincts." "Power? Do you think so?You would be wrong. There is no strength in the hunger he possesses... and the will behind his power is a primal thing. And it devours him as he devours others - his mere presence kills all around him, slowly, feeding him. He is already dead, it is simply a question of how many he kills before he falls." Basically Nihilus is a thougtless hunger without intelligence. And besides, there is no separating the Exile from Nihilus or vice versa, if you accept my theory above

"These aren't the droids you're looking for. You can go about your business... Move along!" [Lockdown due to spam in 5, 4, 3...] Oops - time to go... :ph34r:

Actually, I rather like the masters, even if their treatment of the Exile is totally unfair. Vrook is doubtlessly the most annoying - totally stubborn and obstinate and completely incapable of keeping an open mind in any way. I like him for being a grumpy old git, whom I can love to hate Kavar is okay. He's very direct and a good strategist, which are good qualities. Unfortunately his directness works rather a lot against the Exile, as he jumps to conclusions at the end of it all. A shame, really... I also like Zez-Kai Ell. He is the only one to say that maybe the masters were wrong. When you meet him on Nar Shaddaa, he laments the fact that they sent you into exile rather than to try and find out what happened to you. Now that was exactly the right way to put it - I was jumping my chair that I could tell the masters this during sequence, where I was exiled. Too bad that Zez-Kai Ell forgot all about this when he went back to Dantooine Vash showed compassion on your part and even stood up to Atris, when she just wanted to punish you during the trial. Too bad she was killed off by the unfinished plot. Then again, it might be better than having her killed off by Kreia... And Atris? The less said the better... " :D

Oh, didn't know that - thanks. That's much better. Btw, what format is TGA?

I think she was just refering to the whole Darth Traya thing, as Kreia wore that title again. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Exactly. Title, not name. At least that's how it appeared to me - Darth Traya is a title. Kreia is a name, only it is not her real name...

Yup, seriously - worked like a charm for me. Then again, I was a sentinel/weaponmaster when I did it. Still managed to do it as a sentinel/sith lord, though. Totally off-topic: Is it just me or are the mods in lockdown-overdrive mode?

Don't fight them all at once. Run a few circles with Master Speed, so that you distance yourself. They won't be able to detect you, since you'll be out of range. Then activate your defensive/buff powers and approach carefull until *one* of them comes after you - then take it down. That way you can pick them off one by one instead of fighting all three at the same time. Besides, you'll want to explore those ledges, since there is treasure on the bodies there. And once the lightsabers are gone, you can take down Kreia as you please - she won't even resist.

Actually, wasn't that supposed to refer to Luke's sister who was *not* Leia? I seem to recall the original intent being that Luke had a sister somewhere, but that it wasn't Leia, and that finding her would be a part of the planned third trilogy (episodes VII, VIII, and IX), only Lucas lost interest in Star Wars while doing ROTJ and decided to turn Leia into Luke's sister instead, just so that he could close the saga right there without leaving the "No, there is another" comment hanging. Or do I remember it wrong? True. In fact, this is rather common, particularly in an ongoing series or saga. It's called foreshadowing. And given that KotOR2 was written with a sequel fully intended all along, it makes sense to leave some plot unresolved. The Revan vs. true Sith revelation is a major plot, which is only revealed and never explored. Kreia/Kae is one touched upon, but left open for further development. The Exile/Nihilus connection is another. And K3 was intended during the production of K2. So even if K3 is never made, I think your point would be just as valid.

IIRC the droid planet won't be fixed. KotOR2 was cut short so early that next to none of it were ever written, so there's practically none of the droid planet in existence for Team Gizka to restore. Yes, it's a damn shame... Still, I say that just from memory, which doesn't always serve as it should. If anyone from Team Gizka reads this, please drop a line to confirm or deny this.

3. When Disciple talks about Revan, he mentions that Revan was the padawan of Arren Kae. To me this suggests that Arren Kae was Revan's first master. He also mentions, as does Kreia herself, that Revan returned to his first and final master to learn how to leave the jedi order. If Kae was his first master, then Kreia must be Kae. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> <{POST_SNAPBACK}> Straight from dialog.tlk, Disciple says: "As a Padawan, Revan was trained by Master Kae, before she was exiled." You guys take stuff too seriously.And I thought someone said Arren was in the Mandalorian War.I thought Kreia said she didn't go to war....must just be me I guess. <{POST_SNAPBACK}> When Kreia interrupts the meeting between the jedi masters and the LS exile: Kavar: "I thought you had died in the Mandalorian Wars..." Kreia: "Die? No - became stronger, yes."

Well, the fact is that we're indeed not told either way, so I don't see what your point is with that statement. You seem to think that Kreia is not Kae, fine, but you defeat that point yourself with this comment, since the game doesn't tell us that either. But you're right that we cannot determine that Kreia is Kae. We cannot determine that she wasn't either, though. And the fact that the game ends without revealing this to us doesn't prove anything either way.

Ooh, I sense the dark side beckoning... Choosing yourself as opposed to choosing others seems to be the first step

Hit PrintScreen (key to the right of F12) when you want to keep a picture of the screen. I do believe you can only have one in memory, though. When you leave the game (remember to save first) next, open a program that allows you to deal with pictures. Paint works fine. Then "insert" (or simply Ctrl+V) and the picture should turn up. Then save it. Of course, if you have a better program than Paint, such as PaintShop Pro, PhotoShop, or even Photo Editor (which is usually on all machines these days), you might want to use that instead.

Darth Traya: "Welcome to Trayus Core, Exile" Exile: "Thanks. Nice place you have here... lots of space..."